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Don't forget to look back a few days before you post fellas. The LG moves are over a week old, and 6083 went to MQ Monday night.

That's definitely incorrect because the M14 SBS is nowhere to be found on it. What I stated was accurate, but everyone is reading into it too much. Some lines are already planned, others are proposed. Confirmation on some route numbers are also unconfirmed, yet the corridors are. However, next up on the list are the B82, North Brooklyn, and North Shore routes. I never mentioned anything about a timeline other than what will not be happening through 2021. Since 2019 is knocking at the door, you only have real time to implement the B82, and the M14 which should have been on that list even at the time of printing. There's 2019 in a nutshell. In 2019 and 2020 we could see the introduction of North Shore and North Brooklyn if there are suitable designs by then. There is no timeline for those 2 routes because of the planning and design that still needs to be done, so I would understand why they would not show up anywhere on the books yet. Shortly thereafter, the train will resume operation, buses will be redeployed and reassigned at that time, and MTA can then get back to the next routes up on the list. I guess it depends on the time of day and other factors because It's been done, and I've seen it done all the time. This time of night the runtime is less than an hour. During rush it averages 1 hour 20 minutes, and is scheduled for approximately 1 hour 10 minutes I've evaluated the route end to end and the most it ever took me with a major delay was 1 hour 32 minutes at rush. We were 24 minutes behind schedule. The Q10 doesn't need it until off-board payment is expanded systemwide. The Limited run is an average of 39-45 minutes at rush. Very true, but when no one is willing to work together what do you do? It's the sole responsibility of the NYCDOT (which has not come up with an effective plan) to implement a plan with the help of the NYPD. MTA isn't an enforcement agency for anything other than SBS fare evasion. That I do not know. Thank you for pointing that out. Was an error on my behalf, and yes the Q66 is on that list.

To a certain extent, part of it is actually out of there control. We have several issues at play here. The #1 issue is the traffic patterns. At certain times of the day it is quite common for buses to either catch up to each other or pass them all together. I have been evaluating the M60+ for 3 years now. One of my friends and a few other associates had that line regularly. The second major issue is that the route timing needs to be adjusted. This is the root to all the other issues, and this is definitely something that can be blamed on the MTA.

Not only have assignments for the XD40's changed, but so have the totals for some depots as well. Waiting on the new assignments now. Gleason and WF may switch back to the second assignment as well for the XN60's.

No they did not say that. Where do you guys keep getting this from??? Why are you all commenting and not even bothering to read. I've also talked about this route well before it even made black and white. B38 is ONLY the placeholder for the route which as I have said a dozen times is supposed to be a new route fellas. Some of you are getting carried away with these questions about every little detail. Actually they can continue to blame both the DOT and the NYPD. it's not the job of the MTA to enforce bus lanes. The DOT and NYPD clearly are not doing anything which is a MAJOR problem citywide, but it's 10 times worse in Brooklyn. I have no knowledge of any bus trips in the city being twice the scheduled run time..... Not only that, it's virtually impossible for 5,900 buses to always be reliable. There are unplanned incidents 365 days a years. They have an artic for the purposes of logistics and planning. This happens with all depots when when articulated buses are implemented. Gleason had one bus for a while prior to conversion, and they had an XD60 earlier in the year. Yes, we've talked about North Shore, and as I said, the complete plans are still under development so let's just wait until more details are available. We have discussed the 4700's countless times. That was put on hold in favor of new buses. Theoretically, if the route was to go artic before SBS, 4700's could be uses. However, this is not in the plans. The B15 is going articulated. The new SBS routing is what is not confirmed. It could end up being the B15.

Its going on 2 months now if I recall correctly.

I live off Church and can’t remeber the last time I saw a C40 on the line.

I explained it very clear. The B35 is going select also. No need to ask that question. I didn’t say 16 of them did I?

6085 CS to MQ

North Brooklyn Crosstown is the next Brooklyn route as of right now. I never addressed it because I wanted to wait until this thread. Notice how whenever an Artic goes back to GA, I don't comment on it. Well, now you all know why Grand had continuously had at least 1 artic since even before the train Shutdown. The M14 However is the next route overall to my knowledge. North Shore SBS is still under preliminary design, and will likely have standard buses at start. Off board payment is reason #1 for this line. Dwell times are nerve wracking. 1.) No time soon because don't have any. It is however possible in the future. Electric Artics would be nice. I think that would be a great line to evaluate them on. But in my honest and professional opinion, I don't see them doing it unless they actually continue forward with a plan that combines a portion of the S96 (which is likely) . I edited the the route to reflect. 2-3.) Way too early for any details, but it (JFK Link) will likely remain an almost identical version of the current B15, which is scheduled to be the 7th articulated line in Brooklyn by the time it goes online. 4.) B46 Should have been 1st. It was the heaviest used bus line in the Country until SBS was introduced. It's now #3 I definitely don't think the B41 should have been first. This line is going to be a headache because of the lack of space along most all of the route. This one needs to be thought outa and planned well. dollar cabs, and double parkers have no regard for bus lanes whatsoever along Utica and Nostrand Avenues. Of the top 15 TA routes, Brooklyn has 3, 4, 5, 7, 13, and 14. In my opinion as I said, 46 should have been first. By the time they get to the 41 they will have had enough experience to plan something that will hopefully work. This won't be easy at all, and back then SBS planning was based solely around artics, and the least amount of turns possible. That's how the 44 came into the picture, even though the 6, 35, and 46 all had higher ridership. The 41 then falls behind all of those. Those two lines together would created the largest on the island. There are many ideas on the tabee, and I am interested in how this all plays out. On another note can you all please not quote a whole post, but only the section you want to discuss. If you aren't discussing anything specific there is no need to quote the whole post if it's part of the most recent discussion. Thank you in advance. Posts have been edited, and quotes deleted to save space.

Just a note to clear up some confusion about the new CNG paint scheme. XN40 - Standard Blue base paint with SBS Blue wrap. XN60 - SBS Blue base with Standard Blue wrap.

Major items coming up on the agenda for next week including the finalized deal for 53 XD60's for MTA. We will get into the discussion about express buses, my predictions, and the introduction of Double-Decker buses. I will also be starting a thread on the pending bus network redesigns, and the future of the remaining X-numbered routes. In the meanwhile, I completed the entire list of the future planned and pending SBS routes through 2025 roughly.

This thread will be to discuss all pending and planned SBS routes throughout the 5 boroughs. Planning calls for these routes to be rolled out through the next decade. For discussion about current SBS service, please refer to the existing, and recently renamed General SBS Discussion Thread. Listed below are all the planned SBS routes as of September 9, 2018. Current priority is B82, M14, and S90. Please remember all information is subject to change without notice. Bronx Division Bx3, Bx9, Bx15, Bx19, Bx28/38, Bx36, Bx40/42 Brooklyn Division B6, B15, B35, B38*, B41, B82 *New Brooklyn Crosstown SBS may end up being some version of the B38 SBS vs an all new route. Manhattan Division M14, M96 Queens Division** Q6, Q12, Q25, Q27, Q43, Q46, Q58, Q65, Q66 to Manhattan, Q85, Q113/114 ** Please note Queens will be the last borough to undergo bus redesign. All planned SBS services for this borough will be put on hold until 2021. Staten Island S90 or Some new SBS form of it.

5991 JK to CS 6112 JK to EN for maintenance training and depot maneuvering. 3112, 3119, 3224, 3236, 3241, 3247, 3324 FR to JK 5019 GA to EN 7627 NFI to FB 7502, 7505 NFI to JA 7503 ZA to JA 101 to KB (not sure what unit it was) 5596, 5673 reactivated to KB 5851 MQ to OF 5881, 5888 MQ to OH 3932 OF to OH FR houses artics as well sometimes during the overnight hours. As of right now they don't have any. I haven't seen in in since fall pick. I saw them many times this summer however. I also think it's interesting that they have majority of the 6500's now. 6501, 6534, 6537, 6539-6545

S5991 was actually on the list to go back to CS, however they still need buses and LG, JK, and FR are now short for SBS. It’s still at LG for the time being. Cait Sith was actually right when he poste, however plans were changed at the last minute and the bus is still at LG as of right now. 7503 NFI to JA (but the bus is actually at ZA as I type.)

Things are getting weird again. Assignments are changing yet again. 7615 NFI to FB 7572 back to NFI from the service center and no longer assigned to FB 7643 Was briefly at UP for Familiarization last week. 1030, 1035-1037 WF to JG 1096, 1098, 1099 NFI to JG

Facts! Nothing along Church Avenue was modified for artics. Not 1 bus stop. Double parking and dollar cabs are the absolute worse, and there isn't enough room to park them at the terminals either. It's working out so far though! lol

Limited service is dead and within the next 22 years all routes will introduce off board, and/or all door boarding. I will actually be going over the next 20 routes planned to be converted to SBS or introduced as all new SBS service over the next decade.

That really depends on how they shift things. They only need about 8-9 Artics on the Bx6 so it's not that much of a change, however it does cut into the spare factor a bit. Thus, having diesels on standby. With the Bx6, as well as the Bx36, they can use any existing artic on the line. The 36 was already factored into the order from the beginning. The only addition will be the handful for the 6. So they need to have about 10 extra artics on hand to cover any incidents or road calls.

There won’t be enough. ALL of WF’s XN60’s were direct replacements for the Orion VII CNG’s. With the Bx6 local being added, there is a further requirement for additional attics, this causing WF to reactivate D60’s. This also means that WF will not be an all CNG depot as originally expected. This is all news to me as well. The Bx19 however is definitely on the list for SBS.

We have changed all across the board when it comes to assignments including the reactivation of a few D60’s, so stay tuned for those, and let’s start with these. 1025, 1026, 1031-1034 WF to JG Yes 7572 is assigned to Flatbush, however it is at the Vender and this will likely change. This particular bus is also showing up in the system as a special unit and is registered as a 2019 Model. Details on that coming soon as well. This is supposed to be a Quill bus. However I have been hearing that the assignments may change once again as Flatbush also wants new local buses.

From what I can see, 24 went out yesterday.

Roster updated this morning, including 6123 from MQ to GA lol http://www.ttmg.org/transitwiki/Insider's_Guide:_Metropolitan_Transportation_Authority_Bus_Operations_-_Depot_Summary

Gleason XN60 fleet review: 1073-1086, 1090, 1091 Slightly off topic, but I can see MTA leaving some B35 Limited runs interlined with the local when full service begins in the winter. I could also see them making a move to rush hour and increased artic service in the future like the Bx6. I got some shots of 1074 testing on the hawk (Local) all night. She's going to pull in about 10 minutes from now, then go back out later this afternoon.

I thought he was referring to the SBS. That was my misunderstanding. I would have to check the number.