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18 hours ago, Cait Sith said:

March MDBF statistics are out.

Nothing too notable.
R179s takes a very tiny drop.

R68As continue to plummet. They're officially in 5-digit territory whereas the R68s are doing better, and are going up.

R46s holding steady.

R143s continue to go up in reliability.

R160s slightly dropped again. From what I've been told, the drops are largely because of ENY's R160 fleet.

R142s are going down, while the R142As are going up. A notable change from last year, as the R142As were going down, and the R142s were going up.

R62s are rebounding a little bit, R62As went down in February but are holding steady for march.

Both R188 fleets are going up.

That's mainly because they get tagged a lot. So they get taken OOS.

On 5/9/2023 at 11:20 AM, 4P3607 said:

Someone a while back posted an explanation noting that while it would have seemed logical to keep a small amount of R-32s for spare factor / contingency service, there is overall a greater effort required with having more train cars to service versus a smaller spare factor; Meaning equipment can be worked on + placed back into service quicker if there's overall less trainsets to maintain. 

Also spotted an R-46 set along the A yesterday with new LED interior lighting (along with a bunch of R-68/As). Did not catch any numbers as it passed me going the other way, however quite interesting if more Pitkin's R-46 receive any type of upgrade with their foreseen retirement.

This is what they did with the R32's between Fall of 2020 and Fall of 2021, They decided to retire the R32 fleet once the first set of R211s touched property and it bit them in the ass when the R211s started having multiple teething problems during testing (which is normal hence the testing) thus delaying the 30 day test until spring 2023. So they had to do full service with barely any spares and having ABD's up the ass on the / not only because of crew shortages but also equipment shortages. The R46s were decent on the until after 2021 when they started to take a hit.

Now if anything were to happen, They wouldn't bring the R32s back. It would be too costly to retrain new hires and re-inspect them. It was have to be a huge emergency if that were the case.

Right now can't afford to retire anything until they have enough cars. R211s issues will eventually be solved and we can move on from this. 

7 hours ago, foggymetro said:

Maybe. It still needs to be in service quickly so that the remaining R211As can come in and replace these R46s.

It's going to be a good while for the R46s to go

FHA just gave NY the green light for congestion pricing, Now all they have to do is vote on it and could start as early as next year. It wouldn't make sense to scrap anything that's currently in service until there's enough R211s where the is full length and the has more than enough cars to have longer trains.

Y'all gotta stop with this "The R46s need to go right now bullshit" The caved and got rid of the R32s (Pandemic, crew shortages and lower ridership played a part besides complaints) I don't think it'll be a great idea to even retire any R46s. The issue with the R46s is just the lack of spares hence why their reliability took  a hit. R46s will eventually retire as more R211s are delivered overtime.

Also Since congestion pricing would likely pass, I would expect Option II to be approved.

6 hours ago, Q43LTD said:

This all kind of started when I commented on a review for the 8000-8399 RTS. I told this user that Jamaica got 8200 RTS, the repowered ones to be specific. The user did a mini rant about Jamaica never getting Orion 5's or OG's. 

I remember when Jamaica had an 8300 from QV for a very short time back in 2000 or 2001. Then in 2004 they got the 8200s from Manhattan for 2 years before they went to baisley.

Also these fans don't realize that Jamaica depot is the oldest depot in the system and at that time they didn't want to give them new Orion VII old gens. I still think they got the next gens mainly because the southeast queens residents started to complain ( i can understand why since before the next gens, Jamaica was 100% high floor) Otherwise they would have probably waited for the 2011 90 bus order.

25 minutes ago, NewFlyer 230 said:

So that’s why that YouTuber felt that Jamaica was the step child of NYCT? The Orion’s weren’t exactly known for being stellar in quality.

The RTS has to be one of the best buses built for the MTA just due to the abundance and longevity of those buses in general. I honestly wonder how long the 1998/1999 RTS’s could have lasted in regular service if they didn’t get retired in 2019. 

The RTS were supposed to stay for an additional year or two, They wanted the 6300s-6600s out first due to their mdbf compared to the RTS and they just finished rehabbing a good chunk of the 1998-1999 RTS. Also The shutdown was also another reason hence why we got that large XD40 and LFS order in 2018.

5 hours ago, ABCDEFGJLMNQRSSSWZ said:

This is a fair criticism of congestion pricing, and it'll be interesting to see how many people it actually takes off of cars and onto other forms of transit. The hope is once the R211 passes it's test, they will be joining the system left and right, and the order should create a surplus quickly if you're willing to count on some of the more reliable R46s until 2024. Just being able to retire the worst performing R46s will go a long way.

They can't really retire anything, They claim this could start as early as April of next year which would suck since they still don't have enough crew. This would cause to keep the R46s longer since they would still need them for the (until option order I cars could retire them or push them out). I can see the being extended since we are going to have a surplus of 8 car units rather than the going 8 cars. The is better off full length to allow for flexibility and not allowing Jamaica or CI (if the   goes back to CI) to have an oddball fleet.

This would also be the driving force to get option order 2 approved as well. 

1 hour ago, ABCDEFGJLMNQRSSSWZ said:

FINALLY!!! Congesting Pricing moves forwards! Special thanks to Congressman Goldman and Nadler, I think they were key in the final push.

We aren't even ready for it, If it starts in 2026 then I'm all for it but if it starts sooner, They will have to keep the R46s for a good while longer for a surplus fleet in order to keep up with the demand. I'm all for it but needs to figure out a plan because if they don't, It will be bad for those who are forced to take the system due to the shortages.

4 minutes ago, darkstar8983 said:

I known this is likely necro-posting on my part, but the GOs already started. The  GOs have already been happening since last fall. And starting this month, the  train suspensions in Astoria are starting. Those who think the  to 71 Av GO is happening ,think again. It's likely that the  will just not run between Times Sq-42 St and Ditmars Blvd during those GOs (which has been done already back in 2018-2019). This way, you dont interfere with planned Queens Blvd GOs and the  can run in peace

The to 71st won't happen now since you have a long term GO in Queens which most of the laid up trains are laid up in a different location. The only way for the 71st GO to happen is to completely cut the which won't make sense. What they'll probably do is have the go to 96th st and have people transfer to the at lex/63rd which would go local to from 36th if people want Astoria Shuttle trains or transfer to the at 57th st if they want Queens Plaza

1 hour ago, FLX9304 said:

If that’s so, then why don’t YOU put any B division subway car on a SIR, and see what happens. Other than that, IDWTHY

Any B divsion train Could run on SIR but with modifications such as cab signalling and etc. The track gauge is the same as NYCT, How do you think those SI R44s were overhauled? They were trucked to 38th st and towed by diesels to CI Yard.

i doubt it's a museum bus, if that were the case, That would be a majot L as 3783 which is probably a soda can by now was the last old gen built and like retards they scrap the damn bus.

1 hour ago, Bill from Maspeth said:

This response is to ALL.

This crowd and this site were not around when the R44/46 were delivered and the same stuff as today went on then.

But because of the internet being around today, the perception is that the initial problems with the R179's and the current problems with the R211's are unique.

If most of the contributors to this board were around from the time the first R46 truck cracks were discovered till the time all the new trucks were delivered and placed into service......well you guys would have something to REALLY bitch and moan about.  And during the same time transit had a very hard time keeping the R44's on the road becasue of numerous mechanical problems. 

You guys love to complain about the incompetence of transit and its executive employees.  Back in the day you guys would REALLY have had something to complain about.  

 

I get what you are saying and i respect your opinion but times have changed. The city back then didn't have the ridership that it we have now.   was far more worse off than it it now back then but it doesn't excuse their piss poor decisions of today. People are going to complain no matter what but you guys gotta understand that more and more people have moved into areas that were previously vacant for years so ridership grew. All the issues of the R211s will be ironed out but   still need to be called out for their bullshit for other issues not related to the R211s.  You have the entire state and city trying to force people to ditch their cars to take a transit system that isn't going to meet the ridership demand due to the shortage of subway cars (which by 2026-27 should be solved if option order II R211s are approved). I do favor congestion pricing but we can't do it if we aren't up to speed. A lot of people on here kept saying ridership wouldn't grow due to remote jobs, fast forward to the present day and 70% of those remote jobs forced people to go work in offices (which i already knew was going to happen)  and layoffs.

The state, The city and  the need to sit down and figure out how to fix the current issues because it's a big red flag when the state is trying to tax everything to fund a system that can't manage their money. People aren't going to stay quiet on that and all the attempts are not looking good at all.

I do agree that people should be patient when it comes to the R211s though.

42 minutes ago, Cait Sith said:

So we're just gonna sit here and act like anything new isn't supposed to have problems?

These are going to have their own unique issues but nothing really major, It was expected. If people payed attention to this order for the past 3 years they would understand why the pilot set is having issues. People tend to forget that the R160s had a good chunk of teething issues including power issues in the beginning esp. south of broad channel until the issue was fixed and the r160s became the most reliable out of all the tech trains until the r179s took it's spot. The R211s will be fine, CBTC will give these cars teething issues along the road but it wouldn't be nothing major. This is why they did way more testing than they did with the previous fleets, it's good that they grounded the fleet now so they can fix whatever software or other issues now instead of later. 

2 hours ago, FLX9304 said:

Wait. If they took a train oos this morning, why would that train run from Dyckman St in Manhattan all the way to Euclid in Brooklyn, where there is 207th St Yard? Isn’t 207th qualified to fix New Tech Trains’ problems when it’s at close range? 

pitkin yard is responsible for the R211s since it's assigned there. Any troubleshooting is done there or at CI yard.

45 minutes ago, Lawrence St said:

I wouldn’t be surprised if they cancelled the R211S order and diverted those cars to NYCT instead.

They are not canceling that order. It's paid for already.

1 hour ago, ABOGbrooklyn said:

I'm thinking the MTA will send a second option order of R211s to replace the R68 fleet because the

R68s are a small fleet,

They are approaching 35/40 years old

They're 75ft

And there will be problems with sign switching at Astoria for N/W trains.

2nd option order wouldn't be enough to kill off the r68 fleet. The 2nd option order is for fleet growth.

The last thing we need is another car shortage because we got rid of a fleet that doesn't need a replacement right away. Unless they do a 3rd option order of 600-800 R211 cars, It wouldn't make any sense to replace the entire R68/A fleet right away.

9 hours ago, Kamen Rider said:

The only statistic that matters is MDBF.

cleanliness is the end result of circumstance. When and how often the cleaners can get the inside done, or how often the trains have access to a trip to the wash for their exterior. Pitkin doesn’t have a wash and 207 yard is constantly shut down or access to it lost, due to the long term GOs affecting the upper 8th Ave line and the yard.

 

 

They tend to completely forget this part

5 hours ago, Lawrence St said:

 

Ok that's just being dramatic. The R44/47's have been fine, they can continue running another 5-7 years with no car shortage.

those bodies are shot, that's not being over dramatic, it's a fact. if you saw the amount of body rot these cars have inside their frames, you wouldn't be saying their are fine. The R32/42s are in better shape than those SI cars.

56 minutes ago, subwaycommuter1983 said:

The r211's cannot go to the L because it's not compatible with Canarsie CBTC.

The technology used for Canarsie CBTC is different from the technology used for the rest of the CBTCs used in the B division.

The L will most likely get the r143's from the JZ.

Those R211s might have their own CBTC for the or by then They'll make the carnarsie CBTC compatible with all the other CBTC cars. The R143s on the / are spares from the , that's why they are on the /

4 hours ago, LGA Link N Train said:

211’s aren’t ready in time for 8th Avenue CBTC

it's probably to slightly increase the spare factor for the R46s for now, we got 2-4 years for 8th ave CBTC

56 minutes ago, subwaycommuter1983 said:

I think the C will keep the 8 car r179's until the first option order of r211's. It seems that the MTA wants the C to become 100% NTTs before the C becomes 100% full length due to 8th Avenue CBTC.

I don't think it's a good idea for the C to be 100% r46's. It makes more sense for the C to be 100% full length with NTTs.

The wouldn't be 100% R46s, They would be a place holder until the option Order I cars replaces them if they did it that way. The R211s and 10 car R179s would be in place of those 8 car R179s with the other half Being R46s until it's time for them to go.

16 hours ago, Cait Sith said:

They're taking in the 211s as there's many cars(around 50) already built at Kawasaki. Once the pilot set officially passes testing, they'll be able to send the production sets out on the road to push the R46s out.

there's about 100 or more built, when that video first surfaced it was 3 months old and they were up to 4090 with the first R211S. I doubt they will push out R46s very soon as the first R211 is officially in service as Coney Island, Concourse and pitkin still has a very low spare factor due to the R32 retirement and the 2nd ave extension. They'll probably send a chunk of R46s to Coney to increase its spare factor and to send the R68s that concourse lost between 2016-2018 back to them temporally.  Then you have to factor in the which is probably going to be 100% full length. They'll of course cherry pick the very worst of the R46s to retire if they are not worth fixing. Plus they still have a lot of R32s and R42s that aren't work cars that have to be removed for scrap. I would say after 8-12 sets of r211s are in service, Then I could see them removing R46s for retirement.

36 minutes ago, AZthefoamer said:

It usually takes on average a couple of months from the start of testing to full revenue service looking at past models. Hopefully, we get them in and the 46s out as soon as we can.

They still have a car shortage, read my post above

This is why i think Jamaica will get 2 batches of R211s, One batch of 260 cars just to bump out those siemens R160s. If it were up to me I would give CI the siemens back and give them 140 R211s, That would total up to 400 tech trains for CI since the would need to be tech trains anyway. Doing this would consolidate the siemens R160s and CI would get a very small chunk of R211s that would be mainly used on the and with about 3-4 sets on the while all the R160s would be on the . This would avoid the mixing problem even though CI barely mixed them. 

it looks like that R46 deadheaded back to CIY according to someone in a group chat. person took a photo of it deadheading.

3 minutes ago, Chris89292 said:

Pretty sure this is a one time event only, eventually the R46 set will return on the  or  

it's in concourse yard right now and there's a GO on the concourse this weekend. unless they deadhead the train before the GO starts, it'll run in service Monday morning.

14 minutes ago, Reptile said:

Will it be running tommorow then? I have no time to go down there just to see it

trains don't run on weekends, you got to wait until monday morning.

On 4/3/2023 at 4:08 PM, Cait Sith said:

The 211s ride exactly the same as the 160s, they have the same trucks.

Ride quality might be slightly different as a full train of R211's have 2 non-powered trucks vs an R160 which has every truck powered. It can be better or worse once they age.