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Andy Boy saying "I am the government" in that interview, reminded me of a certain film scene... The voters reap what they sow, I guess.

Those screens, the idiotic yellow poles, and certainly the undersized windows are are all reasons people should be pushing back against the agency's shitty design choices. You say so be it, but I don't know, I think they could have done a lot better. Of course, as the guy who thinks NYCT hasn't designed a sensible-looking subway car since the R42, I might not be the voice of reason myself..

Also, watch them get an angry call first thing tomorrow morning from the governor's office about the missed photo opportunity for Andy Boy.

Both, to be quite honest. Harder to navigate than the old format, more jumbled in a way.

https://gothamist.com/news/cuomo-waffles-schumer-claims-hudson-river-gateway-tunnel-expansion-go https://prospect.org/infrastructure/transportation/biden-gets-gateway-going-as-cuomo-unleashes-his-inner-trump/ https://www.nj.com/opinion/2021/06/meet-gateways-new-enemy-andrew-cuomo-editorial.html Cuomo showing his true colors yet again.

All this talk about the R46 issues on the and has got me thinking; would sending all the R46s to the and in exchange for R68/As solve the problem?

The new design for how the threads display is really throwing me off, not digging it at all. Is there any setting available to users that would allow them to customize their own view? I can't make head nor tail of the new one.

Those tiny windows look even worse from the inside.

Actually, many of the stations are curved. Lorimer, Graham, Broadway Junction, Bushwick-Aberdeen, just to name a few. Only way to prevent all the curvature would be if they had gone with the original plan, and used the LIRR Evergreen Branch instead. That ship sailed almost 100 years ago.

Yes, the 4-track station at Canal Street had two exits to the street from the eastern platform. The eastern platform closed in 2004, but its exits to the east side of Centre Street closed earlier than that- sometime in the mid '90s. Unfortunately, there's not a whole lot of information or pictures online that show it. Even a search of the City's archival tax photos from the 1980s yields nothing. Only thing I know for sure is that those entrances were in buildings on both eastern corners, not standalone. Beyond that, the information trail simply vanishes.

Yes, the way they run the in the rush hours is definitely out of wack, especially in the mornings. Just another exhibit of how the MTA is firmly committed to doing only the bare minimum.

Would have been interesting if they did. Canal has always been a giant mindwarp to me; they closed the exits on the east side of Centre Street a year or two before I started using the station in the late '90s, and trying to get through all the crowds bottlenecked at that single entrance on the west side of Centre during rush hours was a nightmare. The strangest thing is despite all the resources online, I've never been able to find any trace of where the eastern street entrances were.

Yeah, the main problem with the Jamaica Line has been that each successive owner (BMT, BOT, NYCTA, MTA) has kicked the can down the road instead of making the proposed improvements. The s-curve at Crescent could've been eliminated and replaced with a 3-track el along Jamaica Avenue as early as the Dual Contracts. But until something is changed, the current (J)/(Z) setup will have to suffice.

This has been the case for years; no car wash at 240th, and even with the wash at 207th, the organization is never in a rush to send them down. Grimy cars on the have been a problem since the Hi-V era, so no surprise there.

Yeah, that particular episode in 2010 or so of the MTA scrapping too many of their own RTSes and O5s, then having to resort to buying second-hand junk from Bee Lines, was downright comedic. Rode a few of them on the Q38 and Q67 back around 2012, still had BL markings on the interior LOL.

I still find it odd they went with oil-firing. You would think with all the coal they have access to out there in the west, they would've just gone with coal.

It's not permanent though, is it?

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think the northbound inner stub track at Canal was still in use at some point in the '90s. I remember getting on/off one or two revenue service trains sitting on the terminal track around that time, before the eastern platform was closed. Can't remember when the rails were pulled up on the western (southbound) inner stub track, though.

Honestly, I'm amazed the agency doesn't get sued more often than it already does. For their leadership to be so out of touch with riders that they'd ignore something as basic as the possibility of MVMs being down or Metrocards malfunctioning, it really speaks volumes that most of their big-shots probably don't even take the subway at all. Frankly, I'm surprised the Straphangers Campaign didn't tear them a new one over this plan.

Either that or accused of being tone-deaf to the political realities. Convincing the MTA and local leaders to allow wholesale deinterlining is a pipe dream and politically DOA. They won't sign off on it; even the proposals that do make sense would result in the community boards, councilmember offices, and borough halls getting bombarded with letters by outer-borough riders pissed off at losing their one-seat rides. Persuading these folks on whatever benefits they could incur would be a tough sell. Without the support of management and the local pols, many of these proposals will simply be unable to move forward. The whole Bronx (2)/(5) fiasco from the mid '90s is case in point.

Ever since Byford was forced out, I've had suspicions that many of his initiatives would ultimately get scrapped by the new people in charge. Hopefully this new limit isn't the start of some regression to the bad old days of slow speeds and excessive timers.

Yeah, I get the impression that Penn service will drop off significantly once ESA opens. Even more reason to maintain direct service to Altantic-Flatbush in my opinion, for people trying to reach Manhattan below 14th. On some level, I'm surprised the High Line was never used for passenger service; if I recall correctly, the street-level railroad it replaced did provide passenger service to Saint John's Park.

Both of you hit the nail on the head here; there needs to be reasonable cut-off point for sacrificing window size for the sake of door width, and I'm sure it's possible with today's technology. At this rate, I'm afraid to see what the R3xx or whatever will look like; one giant sliding door taking up the entire wall? I sure hope not. As you both alluded, the MTA simply doesn't give a shit. You would think with all the concerns about ridership being down and trying to entice passengers back, they would proactively be trying to make the system more attractive to riders, not less...

Pretty much sums up the direction these boards have been going in the last few years, unfortunately. You're not the only one who's been rubbed the wrong way by stuff, believe me.

Yeah, they absolutely suck. Considering we were capable of having wide-windowed cars like the R36s and R38s already way back in the 1960s, it really is a shame.