Citaro Posted October 17, 2010 Share #1 Posted October 17, 2010 picture by The Commonwealth Fund, 2010 Here the full Report: http://www.commonwealthfund.org/~/media/Files/Publications/Fund%20Report/2010/Jun/1400_Davis_Mirror_Mirror_on_the_wall_2010.pdf The US-Healthcare system is the worst of the industrial world says the newest study. They took data from a period of 10 years and in each category the us-healthcare system is on a last rank and the most curios thing is that it is also the most expensive. Result of the US-healthcare: The quality is the worst, the accessibility is the worst and the costs are the highest of the seven industrial countries. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
East New York Posted October 17, 2010 Share #2 Posted October 17, 2010 Australia and Canada have what Obama wanted us to have, but "The Party of No" made sure that didn't happen!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Citaro Posted October 17, 2010 Author Share #3 Posted October 17, 2010 Australia and Canada have what Obama wanted us to have, but "The Party of No" made sure that didn't happen!! Yes the tea party fears socialism, but when canada and the UK is socialistic (?), why they fight in Afghanistan with the USA (?) and are some parts of socialism really so bad for America? I think not, i think when the first public fire department in the US has opened, America was also a country with socialism. What these "tea party movements" want to defend? I think they don't know what they do. There are polls which shows that many of them are racists. The canadian is also very bad. The british or dutch is what the US needs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TransitStop Posted October 17, 2010 Share #4 Posted October 17, 2010 actually canada's health care is very good, even though our Government doesnt spend as much we still get the job done. it's to bad the united states doesnt have health care like Canada and Australia Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Citaro Posted October 17, 2010 Author Share #5 Posted October 17, 2010 actually canada's health care is very good, even though our Government doesnt spend as much we still get the job done. it's to bad the united states doesnt have health care like Canada and Australia That is not my opinion, the study says it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJ MC Posted October 17, 2010 Share #6 Posted October 17, 2010 Please, watch the Nazi Banksters Crimes Ripple Effect at http://jforjustice.co.uk/banksters Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
East New York Posted October 17, 2010 Share #7 Posted October 17, 2010 Yes the tea party fears socialism, but when canada and the UK is socialistic (?), why they fight in Afghanistan with the USA (?) and are some parts of socialism really so bad for America? I think not, i think when the first public fire department in the US has opened, America was also a country with socialism. What these "tea party movements" (sounds gay) want to defend? I think they don't know what they do. There are polls which shows that many of them are racists. The canadian is also very bad, because of low gov. spendings. The british and dutch is what the US needs. I'll tell you exactly waht the Tea Party wants when it comes to this issue. They want all of their big corporate CEO, and other executive friends at the big health insurance companies to stay rich, while the middle and lower classes suffer. If Obama has passed health care the way he would have liked too, the insurance companies would have been forced to lower costs to remain competative. They are only about one thing. Money. And the love of it it the root to ALL evil!! Many people in the upper class in this country are all about money and how to keep it. They want us to remain a divided nation of haves and have nots, as we have been for the better part of the last 233 years. If you don't have money, then anything you say to them is invalid. It's really sad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Urbanfortitude Posted October 17, 2010 Share #8 Posted October 17, 2010 US-Healthcare system being rated the worst and being the most expensive is really depressing to hear. depressing but far from surprising Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJ MC Posted October 17, 2010 Share #9 Posted October 17, 2010 Please, watch the Nazi Banksters Crimes Ripple Effect at http://jforjustice.co.uk/banksters Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MTARegional Bus Posted October 18, 2010 Share #10 Posted October 18, 2010 am Not to surprised, are health care sucks What sad is if you have a disease or cancer your insurance company is like '' your on your own'' even if you paid for it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Citaro Posted October 18, 2010 Author Share #11 Posted October 18, 2010 Amazing is and i didn't thought it because of the horror stories about it, but the report says that the british NHS is the most efficient. It isn't perfect, but if you just increase the spendings of the NHS to the half of the american system it would be unattainable the best. Even the british conservatives are in favour of socialized medicine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R68 Subway Car Posted October 18, 2010 Share #12 Posted October 18, 2010 Yes, our health care sucks. It sucks so much that sick patients from other countries come HERE to get their health care treatment because their own country has long waiting lists for treatments, long enough that some patients never get care and die if they have major illnesses. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
East New York Posted October 18, 2010 Share #13 Posted October 18, 2010 I found this very interesting speech from the british conservative Prime Minister David Camerion about the NHS on YT. Very interesting. Even the british conservatives are in favour of socialized medicine and when you watch the video you think that they are communists, that shows how far right even Obama is and how far right the tea party is;): Interesting is what the europeans, canadians and aussies will do when the tea party wins. If you watch the video you have to fear that they start war with the US. Australia, Canada, and England will stand by our side no matter how wrong we are. Besides, the Tea Party has all but destroyed the Republican brand. Nobody is even concerned with them anymore. And Obama is nowhere near the "right" my friend. Yes, our health care sucks. It sucks so much that sick patients from other countries come HERE to get their health care treatment because their own country has long waiting lists for treatments, long enough that some patients never get care and die if they have major illnesses. I'm not understanding exactly what it is you are getting at. Everyone know's that we have among the best health care in the world. The point is the simple fact that it is not accessable to everyone like it should be. Therefore we have the worst health care of all the top developed nations. The people you speak of come from 3rd world countries, where anything is better than what they have! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Citaro Posted October 18, 2010 Author Share #14 Posted October 18, 2010 Yes, our health care sucks. It sucks so much that sick patients from other countries come HERE to get their health care treatment because their own country has long waiting lists for treatments, long enough that some patients never get care and die if they have major illnesses. How many people are health tourists in the US? Where they come from? Are they coming from Canada, Mexico, Europe, Australia? Have you a number, a fact? How many americans are going to other countries? Have you a number? The US has very short waiting times to see a specialist, but the report says that the waiting times for emergency care is one of the worst. Emercency care means the emergency room waiting times and important treatments. Also worse is the quality of care and cost efficiency which means that even healthcare systems which are worse than other in some aspects (because overall more worse is not possible) could be better when these countries would spend more on it. IF YOU ADD THE WAITING TIMES FOR THE PEOPLE WITHOUT HEALTH INSURANCE YOU WOULD HAVE THE LONGEST! Australia, Canada, and England will stand by our side no matter how wrong we are. Besides, the Tea Party has all but destroyed the Republican brand. Nobody is even concerned with them anymore. And Obama is nowhere near the "right" my friend. I hope and i like Obama. I'm not understanding exactly what it is you are getting at. Everyone know's that we have among the best health care in the world. The point is the simple fact that it is not accessable to everyone like it should be. Therefore we have the worst health care of all the top developed nations. The quality of healthcare is also worse, not just the accessibility and the costs. The people you speak of come from 3rd world countries, where anything is better than what they have! Right! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kamen Rider Posted October 18, 2010 Share #15 Posted October 18, 2010 Please, watch the Nazi Banksters Crimes Ripple Effect at http://jforjustice.co.uk/banksters Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
East New York Posted October 18, 2010 Share #16 Posted October 18, 2010 No, they come from the countrys with "better" health care becuase we provide better treatment. The primer of Newfoundland had to travel to the US to get corective heart surgry his so called "better" healthcare system didn't have. We are not talking in terms of care and/or treatment provided. We are talking about cost and accessability! That's what makes us come behind the above mentioned countries. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Citaro Posted October 18, 2010 Author Share #17 Posted October 18, 2010 No, they come from the countrys with "better" health care becuase we provide better treatment. The primer of Newfoundland had to travel to the US to get corective heart surgry his so called "better" healthcare system didn't have. Maybe he has the money which many americans don't have. Maybe he has access to the best and most expensive hospitals which many americans will never see from inside. The STUDY doesn't say that the top medical is worse, maybe it is really better, but the average americans, the study says it, has no access to it, the medical care for the MAJORITY is the worst of the seven industrial countries. But the canadian healthcare system is also not very good. The NHS, the german and dutch health care is much better. We are not talking in terms of care and/or treatment provided. We are talking about cost and accessability! That's what makes us come behind the above mentioned countries. We are talking about the quality, accessibility and the costs. In each category the US-healthcare system is the worst, also in quality. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joel Up Front Posted October 19, 2010 Share #18 Posted October 19, 2010 This is why I stopped giving a f**k about politics years ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
East New York Posted October 19, 2010 Share #19 Posted October 19, 2010 We are talking about the quality, accessibility and the costs. In each category the US-healthcare system is the worst, also in quality. I have to disagree with you when it comes to the quality of our healthcare. We have among the best doctors in the world. People come from all over the planet to study in our medical schools, and work in our hospitals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grand Concourse Posted October 19, 2010 Share #20 Posted October 19, 2010 Truth ^ To have the best, sadly it isn't going to be cheap. Plus aren't most of the medical advances from the US? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Citaro Posted October 19, 2010 Author Share #21 Posted October 19, 2010 I have to disagree with you when it comes to the quality of our healthcare. We have among the best doctors in the world. People come from all over the planet to study in our medical schools, and work in our hospitals. Please distinguish between medical care for the upper class and medical care for the mass and medical care for the poor. The American system has medical care for the most (not all) of its citizen, but with different quality of care for different income classes. That is the different between the US and the rest of the industrial world. So, yeah maybe top medical care in the US is the best, but not everybody has access to it, the study shows that just a low percent of the american people has access to top medical care where republicans and you are talking about. And now this is interesting, the average american citizen has the worst healthcare of the 7 industrial countries, although its top medical care is the world's best. Read the study, i don't want to defend something which you can read in this study! Please don't deny it, just reading! And please don't think that highly paid doctors are better than others! Truth ^ Not the truth, for example in the Netherlands the infection rate in hospitals for Staphylococcus aureus is under 3%. In the US the infection rate is from 30% as the lowest value and 70% as the highest. Germany has 25%. The american hospitals are as dirty as in South Europe. To have the best, sadly it isn't going to be cheap. It's not the best, that's the curious thing, it is the most expensive and the worst. The US-government still pays 45,4% of the healthcare costs. The whole US spends 16.0% of its GDP on healthcare. It's nearly the half which the governments spends just on medicaid and medicare, but that is about the same as the whole british healthcare systems costs, which covers nearly everything and everybody, they spend just 8,4% ot the GDP. The british gov. spends the same as the american gov. on healthcare today, but the british gov. covers all and has a better medical care for the mass than the average american citizen has. The private sector in the US which in the UK not really exists costs 50% more again. Money for nothing! Plus aren't most of the medical advances from the US? Maybe, but the US is also the biggest industrial country on earth. It's not hard to have more medical innovations when a country is about 50 times bigger than France or a low populated country like Canada. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoSpectacular Posted October 19, 2010 Share #22 Posted October 19, 2010 ^^ You also have to take in account our population compared to the 3% that got infected in the Netherlands. Stuff is waaaaaaay too easy to spread around here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Citaro Posted October 19, 2010 Author Share #23 Posted October 19, 2010 ^^ You also have to take in account our population compared to the 3% that got infected in the Netherlands. Stuff is waaaaaaay too easy to spread around here No, it's not easy and i try to show you the complexity of the topic as a economist. It is not as easy as the tea party and the republicans say it. In my opinion they have no idea what they are talking about or they just want the people go gaga to increase their profits. The data of percent are relatively, medical advancements are absolutely, here the size of a country matters if you want to have serious facts. Do you know how many medical advancements relatively the Netherlands has? I know one, how to deny infections in hospitals. Important if you look at the infection rate is also the density of population and the Netherlands has the highest density of the world, so if you take that in account the US system is way more worse than the data show us. By the way, the british also had a conservative gov. under Thatcher like the tea party is now in the US. But watch yourself how they scare it away. Even she hadn't the nuts to privatize the NHS and the americans are fighting against universal healthcare. Wrong world! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
East New York Posted October 19, 2010 Share #24 Posted October 19, 2010 Ok, I totally get what you are saying now. You're right, we do have different classes of health care. Unfortunately in America, just about everything is about class. The more money you have, the better off you are in almost every aspect of living in this country. Sorry, but I have no plans of reading the study. Daily news is depressing enough as it is. I can do without the reminder of how we have the worst heath care system ever. The Tea Party and the rest of the Republicans think our system is just fine! They also want to abolish minimum wage, appeal Obama's health care plan, get rid of social security, privatize the VA hospitals, outsource all the jobs they can to China and India, and oh yeah, downsize government, yet everytime they get into office they create some type of government agency to regulate something else. As of this morning, Blue Cross Blue Shield is under investigation by the DOJ. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Citaro Posted October 19, 2010 Author Share #25 Posted October 19, 2010 Ok, I totally get what you are saying now. You're right, we do have different classes of health care. Unfortunately in America, just about everything is about class. The more money you have, the better off you are in almost every aspect of living in this country. Sorry, but I have no plans of reading the study. Daily news is depressing enough as it is. I can do without the reminder of how we have the worst heath care system ever. The Tea Party and the rest of the Republicans think our system is just fine! They also want to abolish minimum wage, appeal Obama's health care plan, get rid of social security, privatize the VA hospitals, outsource all the jobs they can to China and India, and oh yeah, downsize government, yet everytime they get into office they create some type of government agency to regulate something else. As of this morning, Blue Cross Blue Shield is under investigation by the DOJ. Ok, was a misunderstanding;) I believe most people don't want the tea party and are enlightened people, but they have to do more to argue against the tea party. Nobody with a brain wants to minimize gov. in a country where the most gov. spendings are for the military and demands at the same time more military operations around the world, while other countries enjoy better healthcare, education and better roads and public transportation via higher gov. spendings. I'm not for a planned economy, but in some parts of the society we need some parts of the idea of socialism and even America is build on the ideas of freedom, justice and equality since the first socialized fire department has opened in the US. Security Forces, Healthcare, Education and Infrastructure has to be under democratic control and everybody should have the same access and right of care like the rich in BASIC NEEDS. I don't want to give everybody a load of money, so that they don't have to work, but basic needs should available for everybody and especially for the average american. That's my opinion and to cut welfare in a country where 20% of the children are living in poverty and to abolish minimum wages in a country where more than 23% of the people are working for inhuman conditions, is not what a human with a brain wants. But the media brainwashed people needs foods for thought. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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