Nearly 59 million lack health insurance: CDC

[Kamen Rider]

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[Master'KJ]

If they can't get a job, that's because a certain someone was more worried about them not having healthcare versis them not working. Now if they catch a cold in the unemployment line, atleast they can get taken care of while they wait...

 

and if you'd actually read what I said, the plan is basicly the same as the ones used in europe, and as far as I care, it's trash. I never called anyone trash.

 

Looks like you may want to do some more fact checking. It's working just fine in Europe, Canada! And actually, if want to look at the REAL numbers, the rate of job increases has steadily increased since Obama has taken office. The number of job increases was offset by the high number of lay offs of temporary government census 2010 workers. But Republicans don't want anyone to know that bit of information!! Because if we add the two together, then divide, it APPEARS as if there has been no new job creation. But nearly 900,000 jobs have been created this year alone do to stimulus programs. That's the one MAJOR problem I have with conservatives. Very seldom do they tell the whole truth. And I am sorry, but a half-truth is 100% a lie!!

[SubwayGuy]

I made my points. Just because you took a class in something frankly doesn't mean anything. I got my degree in accounting and did close to two years in the real world and saw the way things actually work. Falling back on "credentials" while failing to debate the issues is a tactic of someone who has no new arguments to make.

 

Your only argument is that you don't feel like paying for someone else. Ironic because the system is also set up so that others will pay for you someday. Your logic is ultimately self defeating. Your arguments are judged on their own merits, not on your degree that you haven't finished earning yet.

 

And by the way all of what we have is being taken away by the government, by the wealthy, by large corporations and foreign nations too. And what we still have will be, as they talk about cutting the programs that we are paying into, which will not be there when it is time for us to use them. WE WILL GET SCREWED. Asking the rich to pay more - the same rich who robbed this country blind with their bonuses, their bailouts, their Ponzi Schemes, their inflation, and their bubbles and used it to fund yachts and secondary homes - is the ONLY right way to go to reduce deficits. The corporatists and wealthy that fight against this just want to keep the gravy train rolling over you until you are penniless and poor and beholden to your corporate masters and they OWN you and everything that you are worth. They are parasites on our society, left unchecked, and you seem to stand up for everything that they are doing. Greed is NOT good.

 

And you wanna talk Thomas Jefferson (someone who, by the way, is actually quite liberal in his overall approach)? Here are several quotes:

 

"I believe that banking institutions are more dangerous to our liberties than standing armies . . . If the American people ever allow private banks to control the issue of their currency, first by inflation, then by deflation, the banks and corporations that will grow up around [the banks] . . . will deprive the people of all property until their children wake-up homeless on the continent their fathers conquered."

 

Here we are.

 

Experience demands that man is the only animal which devours his own kind, for I can apply no milder term to the general prey of the rich on the poor.

 

Here we still are.

 

Experience hath shewn, that even under the best forms of government those entrusted with power have, in time, and by slow operations, perverted it into tyranny.

 

Still.

 

I hope we shall crush in its birth the aristocracy of our monied corporations which dare already to challenge our government to a trial by strength, and bid defiance to the laws of our country.

 

If only more spoke like that today, we might get somewhere forcing the money out of politics. Money talks, BS walks...

 

I know of no safe depository of the ultimate powers of the society but the people themselves; and if we think them not enlightened enough to exercise their control with a wholesome discretion, the remedy is not to take it from them but to inform their discretion.

 

Educate the uneducated, rather than take their rights away.

 

If the present Congress errs in too much talking, how can it be otherwise in a body to which the people send one hundred and fifty lawyers, whose trade it is to question everything, yield nothing, and talk by the hour?

 

It is incumbent on every generation to pay its own debts as it goes. A principle which if acted on would save one-half the wars of the world.

 

Our parents did not pay their debts, we hold the bag. Now rather than tax the wealthy, we would just as soon pass our debts down.

 

Never spend your money before you have earned it.

 

Again, here we are.

[SubwayGuy]

If they can't get a job, that's because a certain someone was more worried about them not having healthcare versis them not working. Now if they catch a cold in the unemployment line, atleast they can get taken care of while they wait...

 

and if you'd actually read what I said, the plan is basicly the same as the ones used in europe, and as far as I care, it's trash. I never called anyone trash.

 

That's not true at all. The rest of the country is not like New York. Take a good look out of the suburbs and away from New York City. Most of this country is still going under. There are no jobs in those places anymore. The reality is not everyone is going to be a doctor, lawyer, or businessman. You need people to produce things and outsourcing has killed that. The jobs are gone but people remain in the whole middle of this country. A lot of them WANT to work but no one is hiring. They don't have the luxury of starting their own businesses. That takes money that they do not have because they were not born with a silver spoon in their mouth.

 

It's not Obama's job (or anyone in government's) to put them back to work. It's really not. It's Obama's job (or anyone in government's) to DISSUADE companies from outsourcing, even PENALIZING them if necessary, so that they hire workers right here in the USA. Yet NO ONE in politics, even your beloved Republicans, because you are still looking at the world through partisan sunglasses, is willing to do that because it will upset their corporate cronies who make big donations to their re-election campaigns because it will mean less money in the pocket of big business and its executives. They put their profit ahead of the well being of this country, and that act is far worse and far more damaging in the end than anything the worst hood rat on government aid could do with a dose of heroin and a loaded pistol on any night of the week.

[Citaro]

I'm actually learning something with these discussions. I encourage Citaro to keep posting and spurring the conversations on.

 

On top of that I'm one of the uninsured so damn straight I'm gonna be interested in this topic.

 

I try my best.

 

...edit, just for refernce, there are 403 americans worth $1 billion or more. it takes the next 7 countries put together; China,

India, Russia, Germany, Canada, United Kingdom and Turkey to get anywhere close.

 

Income inequality by Gini

 

USA: 45%

EUR: 31%

GER: 27%

 

25% of your wealthiest people own 87.1% of your net worth.

 

Middle class by academic models and DIW

 

USA: 45% - 47%

GER: 54% - 60%

 

Child poverty by Unicef

 

USA: 21.9%

EUR: 19%

GER: 10.2%

 

Conclusion: The majority in your country doesn't benefit from your wealth, they have a lower standard of life than these "poor" countries.

 

Why? Because your taxes are one of the lowest in the industrial world, especially for the rich, who doesn't care about 1 more percent taxes. Some people will leave, but not all or why the northern european welfare states are so successfull?

 

...Raising tax rates on the rich is not going to stifle innovation or creativity. Innovation and creativity are stifled when an education fails the system [...] Read the article in this link: http://www.nyctransitforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=24679 - it's a real study on what happens when tax rates go up on the rich. They don't run. They don't flee. They stay put, quietly pay their taxes, continue trying to earn as much money as they can, and contribute to the economy as well as reduce the share that the rest of us have to pay. And they still live their lavish and comfortable lifestyles without interruption.

 

The rich are laughing their way to the bank with all of the people who make less than them defending their excesses. Open your eyes and you will see what's really going on.

 

Exactly! Sweden is one of the most competitive economies in the world on rank 2 says the Global Competitiveness Report 2010-2011, two ranks before the US and Sweden has a total taxation of 54,2% of its GDP, the US just 29,6%. Most of this money is spent on education. Result: Exports per capita of Sweden 14,000, US: 3,110. Sweden has a positive trade balance and a much lower public deficit and unemployment rate like all northern european welfare states. Or look at Germany for example, the whole world is looking at our extreme trade surplus now at G20 in Seoul. Our unemployment rate is 6.7%, a dream value for the US. The welfare states safes money, because it stabilized the economy during a crisis. Now you can see it in real life. The whole middle class benefits from the welfare state. It garantuees financial security and stabilized consumption. People have a lower risk to get poor, to step into the poverty trap. Higher unemployment benefits bring purchase power. Less private costs for private healthcare, good schools etc bring financial security. They need less loans. Lower risks also in the case of disease. They don't have to use up their whole net worth to become a treatment. So many people need medicaid, because they lost their house or job during the crisis. Without government support they are a problem for the economy. It leads to less jobs. Financial insecurity that charged the former low welfare costs. But the problem are not the medicaid or food stamps costs, but the cause for this rising poverty during the crisis. The government has to spent a lot of money on the economy, but without a great impact, because the poverty now costs more than one recovery act can safe. More costs than in a welfare state. Keynes works, but you need it not just during the crisis. Thanks Obama you've avoided the total collapse of your economy, but without more spending on welfare it will take more time until your economy will run like in northern Europe.

 

Very true. I agree, that's precisely one of the worst elements of our country, an unbelievable inequality amongst our people. Imagine, some billions of people in those countries and yet they still don't see such insane wealth. Thanks for that statistic, really shows just how grotesquely wealthy some Americans are. Maybe if "socialist" weren't a bad word, we could start fixing that problem.

 

Right, because

1. Obama is not a socialist

2. If he would be one, where is the problem? In Europe it's normal that socialist governments get in power. We still have a market economy here.

 

my eyes are the ones that are open. why the heck should I have to pay for someone else. if you can work, get a bleeping job! Barry-boy's plans ENCOURGAES lazyness "oh, the government will take care of me". every idea to "stimulate" the economy he's had has been a joke. He's only building up helathcare because he cant admit he doesn't know the first thing about improving emyployment.

 

But there are no jobs. And healthcare isn't welfare, it is a BASIC RIGHT. But what you want to do with the poors? Cutting welfare = people will die. You already have the smallest welfare payments in the western world.

 

I will also argue that "free market capitalism" as some define it, is simply another way of saying "laissez-faire capitalism" in which individuals and businesses do whatever they want with no government role whatsoever, and the mighty and ambiguous market determines EVERYTHING.

 

Gee, that sure sounds wonderful for a textbook. So did socialism. Everyone living together in communal peace and harmony, no inequalities...

 

But NEITHER works outright. The "market" doesn't fix anything. Efficient Market theory (for those of you who have taken economics) is based on the theory of Perfect Information and the Rational Being. Which means two VERY wrong assumptions are made from the start. It is assumed that every person knows all their alternatives and the underlying truth of what is going on in every single economic situation. It assumes that knowing this, a person will always choose the option that is best for them.

 

People know smoking causes cancer, they still smoke. They know it costs them money, they still smoke. The Rational Being does not exist. Neither does Perfect Information. The people who invested in Bernie Madoff didn't know he was a fraud. Flash trades done by computers to take advantage of split second inequities in pricing to create profit have more information than individual investors. How can individual investors be expected to make sound decisions with less than perfect information?

 

Efficient Market Theory is bullshit. It's time to get out of the textbook and start looking at the real world. "Laissez Faire" capitalism is essentially economic anarchy. ...

 

100% Correct! For example, healthcare or other basic public services, which doesn't work better in private hands. The market theory doesn't work here, healthcare is too complex. When you want to buy a smartphone you can see the different dis- and advantages, but can you see it, when you get a health insurance contract? Not really. You don't know what hospital you get, what ambulance? Which doctor is better, which more worse. It's unrealistic, people, especially the people with lower IQ will make bad decisions and just the insurance companies and rich the best. In manufacturing less government is better, but public services which cover basic care like healthcare or police have to be in public/democratic hands. In the end it's also cheaper for all, because you don't pay the bureaucracy of every single insurance company, or the advertising or the profit for the CEO. Nobody says that we have to socialize every part of the healthcare industry, but why the hell must be a hospital or ambulance in private hands? I'm just talking about the service and not producing or developing of healthcare products. GlaxoSmithKline, Fresenius Medical Care, Siemens healthcare, Sanofi-Aventis, Novartis, Roche or Bayer wouldn't be one of the biggest healthcare companies in the world, when we have no market for healthcare products here.

 

..."A government that is big enough to give you everything you want is big enough to take away everything you have" - Thomas Jefferson

 

Who the hell says that a government should give you everything you want? Healthcare is a basic right. It doesn't matter what kind of human the uninsured person is, poor, rich, lazy, assiduous, black, white, old, young, disabled, drug addicted. IT IS A HUMAN!!! Be a christian!!!

 

Looks like you may want to do some more fact checking. It's working just fine in Europe, Canada! And actually, if want to look at the REAL numbers, the rate of job increases has steadily increased since Obama has taken office. The number of job increases was offset by the high number of lay offs of temporary government census 2010 workers. But Republicans don't want anyone to know that bit of information!! Because if we add the two together, then divide, it APPEARS as if there has been no new job creation. But nearly 900,000 jobs have been created this year alone do to stimulus programs. That's the one MAJOR problem I have with conservatives. Very seldom do they tell the whole truth. And I am sorry, but a half-truth is 100% a lie!!

 

The problem is, that Obama is blamed for Bush's failures.

[MTARegional Bus]

 

Ponzi Schemes,

 

 

Just call it a madoff Sheme from now on.

[Citaro]

...And you wanna talk Thomas Jefferson (someone who, by the way, is actually quite liberal in his overall approach)? Here are several quotes:

 

"I believe that banking institutions are more dangerous to our liberties than standing armies . . . If the American people ever allow private banks to control the issue of their currency, first by inflation, then by deflation, the banks and corporations that will grow up around [the banks] . . . will deprive the people of all property until their children wake-up homeless on the continent their fathers conquered."

 

Here we are.

 

Experience demands that man is the only animal which devours his own kind, for I can apply no milder term to the general prey of the rich on the poor.

 

Here we still are.

 

Experience hath shewn, that even under the best forms of government those entrusted with power have, in time, and by slow operations, perverted it into tyranny.

 

Still.

 

I hope we shall crush in its birth the aristocracy of our monied corporations which dare already to challenge our government to a trial by strength, and bid defiance to the laws of our country.

 

If only more spoke like that today, we might get somewhere forcing the money out of politics. Money talks, BS walks...

 

I know of no safe depository of the ultimate powers of the society but the people themselves; and if we think them not enlightened enough to exercise their control with a wholesome discretion, the remedy is not to take it from them but to inform their discretion.

 

Educate the uneducated, rather than take their rights away.

 

If the present Congress errs in too much talking, how can it be otherwise in a body to which the people send one hundred and fifty lawyers, whose trade it is to question everything, yield nothing, and talk by the hour?

 

It is incumbent on every generation to pay its own debts as it goes. A principle which if acted on would save one-half the wars of the world.

 

Our parents did not pay their debts, we hold the bag. Now rather than tax the wealthy, we would just as soon pass our debts down.

 

Never spend your money before you have earned it.

 

Again, here we are.

 

Thank you very much! This is the evidence, tea party is against the original spirit of this nation = enemy of America

[Kamen Rider]

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[East New York]

I guess it's all in how you are raised. I understand your viewpoint 100%. But I was taught that it was always better to give than to receive. I have lived by that principle, and feel as if I have all I could ever need. How do you think Oprah and Bill are so rich? They pay it forward, and what goes around comes all the way back around!

 

And what are you talking about the gov running your healthcare? It's been around for decades and Obama just wanted that same program offered to all Americans.

[MHV9218]

Please, watch the Nazi Banksters Crimes Ripple Effect at http://jforjustice.co.uk/banksters

[Kamen Rider]

Please, watch the Nazi Banksters Crimes Ripple Effect at http://jforjustice.co.uk/banksters

[SubwayGuy]

I'm going to tell you all a story. It's how I was raised. it's how I see the world.

 

A long time ago, there was a family named Ó hEidhin. They were powerful lords of western Ierland, kings of the minor kingdom of Aidhne, in the modern county of Galway. They could trace their roots all the way back to pagan high kings in the second century AD. They were known to be generous two; legend says if you stand at the gates of thier old home, Dunguaire Castle near Kinvarra, and ask a question, you will have your answer by the end of the day.

 

 

Then, in the 1600s, came the English.

 

 

The English decimated the Irish warriors, and in then end, took over. The Ó hEidhin name was slowly Anglizained into O'Hynes, then just Hynes. The Hynes were, and to this day mostly still are, Catholic, so they were mistreated by the English for sticking to thier faith. by 1700, their power was gone.

 

In the mid 19th century, one Hynes, fellow by the name of Patrick, was able to get out. He sailed to New York, seattled on the lower east side, and had a family.

 

The problem now, is, he was irish and catholic, in a country that trusted neither.

 

Work for Irishmen was though to get, when everyone thinks your a lazy drunk. Paddy didn't have social security; he didn't have healthcare, he didn't have unemployment. He found what work he could, and took care of his family with it. He didn't need a handout, he made do.

 

Patrick's decendants didn't need them ether. They went out into the world and earned thier keep.

 

Patrick had a son named James, who had 6 children including a son also named James. They lived in an apartment near Ebbits Feild. James jr. had a tough go at life. He was achromatic, also know as albinoism. This left his eyes weak to the point of legal blindess. But he worker hard. He set off at a young age, eventuly married and worked as a night manager in a supermarket, which required three buses to get to. He was mugged more than once, which inspired his son, also named James, to a life of service, first as a volinteer EMS worker, then a police oficer, and towords the end of his life, a catholic deacon.

 

This James had his own two kids, one of which is a fourth James...

 

 

Me.

 

 

 

My family has never relyed on the government giving us anything save my dad's NYPD pay check. We've gotten everything we want by ourselves. We worker for it, we earned it. And now, we live comfortable lives becuase of it. Just giving people something because they "have a right to it" is never going to inspire them to go an grab it for themselves.

 

I'm not the heartless b@stard you're making me out to be.

 

And all of that was possible in the America your parents, grandparents, and great parents lived in.

 

Today that is no longer the case. Today's young people do not enjoy those opportunities because the cost of living is prohibitively high to allow them to save money. This is because money and power has been concentrated into the hands of a decidedly small and extremely wealthy upper class (as the statistics that you yourself posted earlier in this thread indicate).

 

MHV's post basically addresses what I would have said in response about your mother's healthcare situation. I am sorry to hear that she is sick, but you also have to remember she is one of the lucky ones. Also the fact of the matter is that she is probably using more coverage right now than she is paying for - which is a good thing because it allows her to receive treatment and not have to worry about money, only about going through the treatments and doing what is necessary to fight the illness. And the insurer that is providing for her, whether it is a private or a public plan, somewhere is charging someone more than they are using in care which is also a good thing because it allows people like your mother to pay less to receive care than they would if they had to pay for treatment out of pocket.

 

If 59 million people lack care, 59 million people do not have that "safety net" if they were to develop lymphoma or any other serious illness.

 

Right now, you might be asked to pay more to "subsidize" someone else, but the people you are subsidizing when you pay for someone else are people like your mother. And someday when you get sick, someone else will be paying more so that you have access to affordable care when you need it most. And you won't need to take out second mortgages, or reverse mortgages to make it happen.

 

As for taxing the wealthy more, we are 13 trillion dollars in debt. We're running out of time and options. Each year, the deficit rises by close to 1 trillion more. We can cut spending, but only on certain things, because politicians simply will not make the hard choices necessary to move this country forward. Taxes must rise, because what Bush did basically was spend like a Democrat for 8 years while taxing like a Republican. At some point, the taxes have to balance out at where they were. And all legislators, need to have their pay reduced. As far as I'm concerned, if a jurisdiction has a deficit of more than a certain amount, it should require voter approval for legislators to get a raise.

 

But taxes cannot rise on an already overburdened working and middle class. People still come over here as you said, but look at who is coming and from where. Immigrants of yesterday were like your parents. People who came with little and carved out a living for themselves - when there were still hourly jobs to be had. Immigrants today are illegals crossing the borders in many cases, and many are wealthy and from other countries who come here and buy property so as to have a second home. This keeps real estate prices reasonably high (particularly in major cities) and hurts Americans who want to own. It also keeps rent high.

 

Because there are no jobs, immigrants and the working poor today cannot dig their way out of hardship the same way your parents and grandparents did. That was the "old" America where hard work was rewarded rather than being wealthy to start off. Companies, headed by the rich, have chosen to outsource jobs to enrich themselves and their personal incomes by reducing labor costs. Pro-business types sit there and blame the unions, saying that unions ruined everything by charging too much for labor and making their members greedy. That's not true at all. Unions came to exist because of workforce abuses. Prior to unions, 16 hour days and 6 or 7 day work weeks were a common thing. Pay was low. These reforms were instituted as progress and allowed the generations of your family to come up through the ranks.

 

Now there are those who would erode this progress so that we could compete with China. Except look at China. Their children grow up impoverished, and sometimes working in factories. Sometimes they are born mutants. Pollution is rampant, wages are beyond low, and the people have no rights. That's not progress, and we don't want to compete with that. We should not want our workers to be mindless drones covered in soot who have 50 years of experience in a job by the time that they are 55 years old.

 

Unions are not perfect and certainly have their share of corruption, but who will stand up to business otherwise? 234 years of American history shows that big business only looks out for itself and its profits, as well as the profits of those who run it. That has led to the destruction of most of the "real" economy here in America such that there aren't the same kinds of jobs your ancestors could get, to get a foot in the door, save up, and begin carving out a way to better their lot in life. Now they must spend years and go thousands into debt in education to even hope to have an opportunity to compete in the workforce. And that's not even a guarantee of a job.

 

And why is the estate tax suspended? Why should someone be wealthy in America because their parents were? America was envisioned as a meritocracy where an individual's skill and effort would determine their position in life. Not their parents'.

 

Look at how things are run. Everything benefits the wealthy. They get higher interest rates on their bank accounts because they can have higher bank balances. They get free checking, while the poor have to pay fees every time they write a check.

 

When the wealthy are taxed more, they are only taxed on their additional income. We don't have a flat tax, we have a graduated tax that is applied incrementally. All I am saying, and all anyone is saying really is that raising the tax rates on the highest brackets begin to reduce the deficit and allow the rich to continue earning and keeping money. It's not as if the tax rate on $2 million and up becomes 60% that a rich guy will actually pay $1.4 million in taxes. He will only pay 60% of the share above $2 million. 40% of every dollar above $2M to keep is still a pretty good incentive to continue earning money.

 

No one there is "paying" for anyone else. They are paying for the mistakes of government, which if effective leaders who "get it" are put in will not repeat. The problem is it seems every few years the same band of pro-business idiots comes around pushing for complete deregulation of everything, and we drop into a recession as a result. The one type of regulation that is never rolled back though, is that on individuals. Now we need a permit to do everything. And that's not good. Yet no one is fighting that battle, but corporate apologists all around the country believe that letting companies do as they please, like outsource, is good for America. No it's not, it's good for them and those who run them. But it destroys the American dream when no jobs remain for the poor, working, and middle class to move up in life.

[Citaro]

there is a distict diffence between healthcare being a human right, and me being responcible for everyone else.

 

You are responsible for the protection of the civil rights in your country. You can not live in your country without doing something for it. Be a patriot! And why you don't want to give some money to the weak? Be a christian! Egoism is not christian and it will lead to a violent society = more crime = more tax money for police .

 

If the system which is proposed is so good, why do people leave it? why is it, then that millions of people have picked up to come to this country. If you're correct, then, immigration should have dired up ages ago. but it hasn't. If you're correct, then people should have left. There is more to the measure of a country than how easy it is to get care. Rights, Freedom and Liberty are a two way street. Just as some poor person has a right to healthcare, I have a right to enjoy the fruits of my labors.

 

You have immigration from Mexico, Europe has immigration from Africa. The age where thousands of europeans came to the US to have a better life is over. The american dream is now called the american nightmare here. By the way, many americans are working in the City of London instead in New York.

 

Be fair to all the children who haven't such good parents like you had. The 20% richest in your country own 80% of your net worth. It's the money of the shrinking american middle class. And that's is the reason why your economy struggles, while ours is rising. Because you already have the smallest welfare system of the industrial world, many people have lost too much during the crisis. Maybe they've lost their health insurance, house, job or all. They've become poor, although they had worked hard, because of financial insecurity.

The result: shrinking consumption and rising costs of your small welfare state. You've decided to pay less during good times into your social security network, but now you are paying more than before, because too much people are on the bottom. If you cut food stamps or medicaid, these originally hard working people will die. You don't pay just for the weak, you also get your money back, when you are in trouble and most of this money is not paid by the middle class, but by the rich.

 

And again, here are the benefits of socialized medicine:

-everbody is covered at any time

-every step of income has the same quality of care, has the same opportunities to survive

-no costs for advertising, corporate headquarters, CEOs, consultancies, business strategists, company cars, etc

-less bureaucracy = also less costs here: -31%

-no profit costs

-democratic controlled trough media/public

-better handling during disasters or wars

-more private money for the core important healthcare industry (drugs and biomedical engineering)

-no exaggerated doctor salaries

-healthier population = less infections

-better control during diseases like the bird flu through universal coverage of all people

-financial security for all classes = better working economy

-healthier workforce = better working economy = more wealth for everybody

-strengthening of social peace = less crime = less costs for Police

-less mental disorders = less crime, etc

 

Physicians for National health care: http://www.pnhp.org/facts/why_the_us_needs_a_single_payer_health_system.php

 

My mother has an uncommon type of lymphoma. If this were any other country in the world, I'd be making funeral argments already. But thanks to our system as it is now, all indications are she's going to be fine. I am NOT going to risk her life in the hands of the government. I am not going to let Obama and the rest of you pick apart the very thing keeping my family intact and keeping my mother alive!

 

I am sick and tired of lazy liberalism. You keep going on about "oh, the poor this, the poor that.." If you care so much about the poor, what else have you done to help them? Have you donated trucks full of cloathing? have you worked in a soup kitchen? Put something in the "Toys for Tots" bin? my family has done all that. What have you done?

 

Think, thousands of mothers under the 60's are dieing because they have no health insurance and no access to cancer prevention etc. Do you really believe that Obama will kill your mother? Medicaid and medicare is for people without health insurance. Nobody is forced to take public healthcare. What da f*** is going on in your media?

 

For all the people who trust in science: http://www.dbresearch.de/PROD/DBR_INTERNET_DE-PROD/PROD0000000000257645.pdf

[East New York]

You are responsible for the protection of the civil rights in your country. You can not live in your country without doing something for it. Be a patriot! And why you don't want to give some moneyuiNobody is forced to take public healthcare. What da f*** is going on in your media?

 

For all the people who trust in science: http://www.dbresearch.de/PROD/DBR_INTERNET_DE-PROD/PROD0000000000257645.pdf

 

Fake.... um, I mean Fox News has people believing hundreds of lies about Obama, his administration, and his agenda. I literally watched Glenn Beck say the gov. was going to take over healthcare which is a complete lie. Several fact checking organizations now analyze every thing they broadcast because the network has been caught in so many lies as of late. But what does it matter when their Republican base will believe any and everything they say. As I have said many times before, Fox is no longer a news agency. It's the propaganda broadcast arm of the right wing. When you don't even bother to tell the truth, or find out what it is, there is really something wrong.

 

This is really a touchy subject as well, but many people will never respect our president simply because he is black. Many people feel that their country has been stolen right from under them. He could say everyone in America gets 40 acres and an F-150, and the first thing out of their mouths would be "That's my tax dollars! I'm not paying for that!" And they will be the first people in line to collect!

 

My favorite one is when Beck said Obama has a deep seeded hatred for white people. Really? From a person who is half white, and was raised by ALL white people?

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Fake.... um, I mean Fox News has people believing hundreds of lies about Obama, his administration, and his agenda. I literally watched Glenn Beck say the gov. was going to take over healthcare which is a complete lie. Several fact checking organizations now analyze every thing they broadcast because the network has been caught in so many lies as of late. But what does it matter when their Republican base will believe any and everything they say. As I have said many times before, Fox is no longer a news agency. It's the propaganda broadcast arm of the right wing. When you don't even bother to tell the truth, or find out what it is, there is really something wrong.

 

This is really a touchy subject as well, but many people will never respect our president simply because he is black. Many people feel that their country has been stolen right from under them. He could say everyone in America gets 40 acres and an F-150, and the first thing out of their mouths would be "That's my tax dollars! I'm not paying for that!" And they will be the first people in line to collect!

 

My favorite one is when Beck said Obama has a deep seeded hatred for white people. Really? From a person who is half white, and was raised by ALL white people?

 

Oh stop saying the bad word, "Gleen Beck"! I've never seen such a ******* ******* in my life before.

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I'm going to tell you all a story. It's how I was raised. it's how I see the world.

 

A long time ago, there was a family named Ó hEidhin. They were powerful lords of western Ierland, kings of the minor kingdom of Aidhne, in the modern county of Galway. They could trace their roots all the way back to pagan high kings in the second century AD. They were known to be generous two; legend says if you stand at the gates of thier old home, Dunguaire Castle near Kinvarra, and ask a question, you will have your answer by the end of the day.

 

 

Then, in the 1600s, came the English.

 

 

The English decimated the Irish warriors, and in then end, took over. The Ó hEidhin name was slowly Anglizained into O'Hynes, then just Hynes. The Hynes were, and to this day mostly still are, Catholic, so they were mistreated by the English for sticking to thier faith. by 1700, their power was gone.

 

In the mid 19th century, one Hynes, fellow by the name of Patrick, was able to get out. He sailed to New York, seattled on the lower east side, and had a family.

 

The problem now, is, he was irish and catholic, in a country that trusted neither.

 

Work for Irishmen was though to get, when everyone thinks your a lazy drunk. Paddy didn't have social security; he didn't have healthcare, he didn't have unemployment. He found what work he could, and took care of his family with it. He didn't need a handout, he made do.

 

Patrick's decendants didn't need them ether. They went out into the world and earned thier keep.

 

Patrick had a son named James, who had 6 children including a son also named James. They lived in an apartment near Ebbits Feild. James jr. had a tough go at life. He was achromatic, also know as albinoism. This left his eyes weak to the point of legal blindess. But he worker hard. He set off at a young age, eventuly married and worked as a night manager in a supermarket, which required three buses to get to. He was mugged more than once, which inspired his son, also named James, to a life of service, first as a volinteer EMS worker, then a police oficer, and towords the end of his life, a catholic deacon.

 

Why he could be a cop? What kind of school he or your grandfather has visited? Private or a public?

 

This James had his own two kids, one of which is a fourth James...

 

Me.

 

My family has never relyed on the government giving us anything save my dad's NYPD pay check. We've gotten everything we want by ourselves. We worker for it, we earned it. And now, we live comfortable lives becuase of it. Just giving people something because they "have a right to it" is never going to inspire them to go an grab it for themselves.

 

I'm not the heartless b@stard you're making me out to be.

 

It's your story, one of billions, this doesn't mean that everybody could survive or get a better life without government/public help, especially not when wealth is so unequal distributed or when you are a children in a drug addicted family.

 

And i'm sure your father has also benefited from other tax payer's money (school, roadways, police, etc).

Maybe you will be the first unemployed in your familiy in the future. I hope not, because of the upcoming welfare cuts.

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NHS tops league for free healthcare

 

A survey into healthcare has found that the NHS in the UK offers the best access to free health services anywhere in the industrialised world. The research, by US health thinktank the Commonwealth Fund, found that the UK was the only country surveyed where how much money you have determines your ability to access healthcare.

 

It revealed that the NHS offers the most widely accessible treatments at low cost among developed nations, and that in the US a third of adults did not receive recommended care, or visit a GP when ill, or got their prescription because of cost reasons. This figure was only 6 per cent in the UK and 5 per cent in the Netherlands.

 

Apart from in the UK, all the other countries examined showed wealth to be a significant factor in being able to access healthcare, and that people who earned less than the national average were more likely to have trouble paying medical bills and problems with care due to cost.

 

The survey, which involved nearly 20,000 patients across 11 countries, revealed substantial differences among nations regarding on access to care, access after hours, and waiting times for specialised care. It was also found that the NHS were cost-effective in comparison with other healthcare systems, with spending on health per person nearly the lowest of the 11 countries.

 

Source: http://www.healthinsurance.co.uk/news/2010/Nov/nhs-tops-league-for-free-healthcare-95631584.html

 

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