Eric Kreszl Posted August 22, 2007 Share #1 Posted August 22, 2007 What is everyone's opinion regarding these new Bi-level passenger cars on NJ Transit? We'll use this thread to discuss the NJ Transit bi-level passenger cars. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pablo M 201 Posted August 22, 2007 Share #2 Posted August 22, 2007 The multilevels look like great cars. I haven't been on one yet, but I wanna try to get a ride on the ML one of these days. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamaica Express Posted August 22, 2007 Share #3 Posted August 22, 2007 I like them alot ....I think that they were greatly needed...I rode them a few weeks ago on a Trenton Exp....I think they work well too..just as long as they stay in solid sets Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eric Kreszl Posted August 22, 2007 Author Share #4 Posted August 22, 2007 Hello, I have to watch them in action. Because I live on the North Jeresy Coast Line I haven't seen any in revenue service down here yet. Eric Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tracknut Posted August 22, 2007 Share #5 Posted August 22, 2007 So what's the story with the weight issue. Its been debated all too long. What's the big deal? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PATCOman Posted August 22, 2007 Share #6 Posted August 22, 2007 I rode on one last January during college week. The ride was really good and I liked them. Once I ride on them more, I'll have more things to say about them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eric Kreszl Posted August 22, 2007 Author Share #7 Posted August 22, 2007 So what's the story with the weight issue. Its been debated all too long. What's the big deal? I don't know about the weight issues but I know Height was a MAJOR issue due to the Hudson River tunnels and that was why it took so long to be developed. Eric Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewJerseyT Posted August 22, 2007 Share #8 Posted August 22, 2007 I think that they have overcome the weight issue by putting a alp 46 on each end of the consist in some cases. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamaica Express Posted August 22, 2007 Share #9 Posted August 22, 2007 yea i think any consist longer than either 8 or 10 cars(not sure which one)...must be double ended Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NJTransitFan Posted August 22, 2007 Share #10 Posted August 22, 2007 Are the multi levels going to be exclusive to the NEC or will the other branches be getting them too? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewJerseyT Posted August 22, 2007 Share #11 Posted August 22, 2007 They did hold the bi-level test runs in bayhead so it possible that the NJCL could get a consist. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Posted August 22, 2007 Share #12 Posted August 22, 2007 I have yet to see them in person. I'm going to be in the Hoboken area in two weeks. Will I be able to see one in the Hoboken Terminal? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewJerseyT Posted August 22, 2007 Share #13 Posted August 22, 2007 I wouldn't know for sure but there is a possiblity as 3 of the NJT lines go there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eric Kreszl Posted August 22, 2007 Author Share #14 Posted August 22, 2007 Are the multi levels going to be exclusive to the NEC or will the other branches be getting them too? I would EXPECT to see them elsewhere on the NJ System eventually. Eric Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eric Kreszl Posted August 22, 2007 Author Share #15 Posted August 22, 2007 I have yet to see them in person. I'm going to be in the Hoboken area in two weeks. Will I be able to see one in the Hoboken Terminal? I have only seen one bi-level car there and that was there for training employees. I don't think they can use them in Hoboken due to the height of the train sheds but I'm not sure though. Eric Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pablo M 201 Posted August 23, 2007 Share #16 Posted August 23, 2007 I have yet to see them in person. I'm going to be in the Hoboken area in two weeks. Will I be able to see one in the Hoboken Terminal? Well, unless NJT puts a consist on the Morris & Essex line soon, you won't see one unless they have one car there for training purposes anytime soon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tracknut Posted August 23, 2007 Share #17 Posted August 23, 2007 The easiest way to catch would be Penn Station in Manhattan if they are running there yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Posted August 23, 2007 Share #18 Posted August 23, 2007 They were designed in mind for the Hudson tunnels I believe so its just a matter if they even run into NYP yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamaica Express Posted August 23, 2007 Share #19 Posted August 23, 2007 Once they're all delivered you should see them on MidTOWN DIRECT,NJCL and NEC Trains to/from Penn Station they're are two sets that have been in service for a while now on the NEC (1 eight car set with an ALP-46 and 1 eleven car set with an ALP-46 on each end) you can find them on the 6:03a.m,7:10 a.m,2:17 p.m. trains from Trenton and the 10:28 a.m.,5:16 p.m., 5:30 p.m. trains to Trenton.....and there's a third set that just started service(which is a 6 car set with an ALP-46) ......running on the 5:10 a.m., 8:51 a.m. and 2:38 p.m trains from Trenton to NYand the 6:31 a.m. 11:01 a.m., 4:28 p.m. and 8:07 p.m. trains from NY to Trenton Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pablo M 201 Posted August 24, 2007 Share #20 Posted August 24, 2007 They were designed in mind for the Hudson tunnels I believe so its just a matter if they even run into NYP yet. Multi-levels already run into NYP.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Posted August 24, 2007 Share #21 Posted August 24, 2007 Multi-levels already run into NYP.... Then that's where I will most likely go see them at. I was waiting for that answer thanks Pablo. I haven't been in NYP since 2003. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pablo M 201 Posted August 24, 2007 Share #22 Posted August 24, 2007 and there's a third set that just started service(which is a 6 car set with an ALP-46) ......running on the 5:10 a.m., 8:51 a.m. and 2:38 p.m trains from Trenton to NYand the 6:31 a.m. 11:01 a.m., 4:28 p.m. and 8:07 p.m. trains from NY to Trenton Where did you hear that? And don't you mean 8 car train cause 6 car isn't enough for NEC service.... But really, I've never heard of a 3rd set in service and running those times unless this happened VERY VERY recent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pablo M 201 Posted August 24, 2007 Share #23 Posted August 24, 2007 Then that's where I will most likely go see them at. I was waiting for that answer thanks Pablo. I haven't been in NYP since 2003. Heres a link to the NJT Press release about 2 ML sets in service. It shows the train numbers they run on. http://www.njtransit.com/tm/tm_servlet.srv?hdnPageAction=PressReleaseTo&PRESS_RELEASE_ID=2345 All three runs to NYP are Super Expresses which means the only stops it making are Trenton, Hamilton, Princeton, Newark Penn Station, New York Penn Station. Two out of the three runs to Trenton are Super Expresses, Train number 3967 and 3969 and the stops are NYP, NWK Penn, Princeton, Hamilton, Trenton. The 10:28 is a local to Trenton. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eric Kreszl Posted August 24, 2007 Author Share #24 Posted August 24, 2007 Hello, I'm wondering now if Compatability with the Diesel Consists are going to be an issue. The reason I'm saying this is because NJ Transit has been such a pain in reguards to assigning certain Diesel locomotives to certain trains. The issue with the PL42AC locomotives was that they were not compatable with the comet 5 cars which by the way I know is FALSE as I see PL42AC's with comet 5 cars ALL THE TIME. When the Bi-level test train ran down the NJCL it had a PL42AC at the end of it. You don't even see the orginal 12 GP40PH-2's 4100-4112 on the NJCL except once in a blue moon for who knows why. So I wonder. Eric Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamaica Express Posted August 24, 2007 Share #25 Posted August 24, 2007 Where did you hear that?And don't you mean 8 car train cause 6 car isn't enough for NEC service.... I've never heard of a 3rd set in service and running those times unless this happened VERY VERY recent. This is where I heard it http://www.nj.com/news/index.ssf/2007/08/more_multilevel_rail_cars_arri.html ..............and six car sets run on the Metropark Exp Trains that terminate at Jersey Ave from time to time...and dont forget these are Multi-levels meaning that they have more capacity....so a six car multi-level set probaly has slightly less or just about the same amount of seats as an eight car set...and personally I've come to the conclusion that there are just some NEC trains that will always be packed....no matter how many cars you put on it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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