March 7 Bee Line Bus Route & Service Changes

[78 via Stew Leonards]

or maybe you could interline the 1 to the 7 overnight with service to Mount Vernon only.

 

I think the 4 could run overnight as well.

the 25 could run til 2am

[78 via Stew Leonards]

1-extend all City Line trips to Dobbs Ferry 7 days a week

1W-eliminate the route (see 6 for further details)

1C/1T-run 40 minute headways during the week.

3-cut all service to Purchase (replace with a newly revived Loop E). Also add all day service 6 days a week on 60 minute headways outside of rush hour.

4-extend to Tudor Woods during school hours to relieve crowding on the 2

5-extend to Mt St Vincent to help out the 8

6-extend all service to 242nd St replacing the southern portion of the 1W. Service increased to 20 minute headways Monday-Saturday and 40 minute headways on Sundays. Also cut out service north of White Plains (to be replaced by 63)

13/19-extend all service to the Ossining MNRR Station 7 days a week.

14-increase service to 30 minute headways and extend service til 1am

15-add Sunday service and increase service to 60 minute headways 7 days a week

17-add 2 reverse peak trips in each direction

21-increase service to all day 7 days a week 6AM-9PM Monday-Friday, 8AM-7PM Saturday, 9AM-6PM Sunday

26-cut out Bronxville part of service and extend to Stew Leonard's via Kimball Ave, Bronxville Rd, Tuckahoe Rd, Ridge Hill. (replace 78 east of Ridge Hill) extend service to 7 days a week

30-add sunday service at 90 minute headways

32-reroute service to Riverdale Ave between Ludlow St & Getty Square

40-extend most service to 241st St 7 days a week

41-add all day service Monday-Friday on 60 minute headways outside of Rush Hour

42-extend all service to 233rd St between 5:30AM-9PM Monday-Friday, 7AM-7PM Saturday, and 9AM-6PM Sunday

60-cut out service to Bryant Ave in White Plains

63-extend service to Pleasantville Monday-Saturday replacing the 6

78-cut out service to Central Ave & Tuckahoe Rd (replace with 26)

Loop E-revive service to the Manhattanville are and the Centre at Purchase.

[checkmatechamp13]

or maybe you could interline the 1 to the 7 overnight with service to Mount Vernon only.

 

That's what I was thinking. 

 

In any case, I think something should take over the #78 east of Stew Leonards. How about the #52, which provides a direct connection to Mount Vernon? Sunday service would have to be added.

[78 via Stew Leonards]

52 could work as well. but the routing would be off.

with the 26, riders would have a direct route from Stew Leonards to Cross County, and it may relieve crowding on the 20 between Cross County and Tuckahoe Rd.

[DS4Ever]

In my point of view:

 

* The 15 should run Sundays and hourly since it is the ONLY bee line bus in Yorktown and covers part of the truncated BL 12 ( unless the 12 is revived to JV Mall) but 5:12pm is too early to be the last run to White Plains have it leave at least 7pm last BL 15 bus so Yorktown riders must be at their stops no later than 730pm

 

The BL 14 should have the last run from White Plains return back to WP instead of the super long deadhead (its deadhead from Cortland Town Ctr is almost as long as the s66 deadhead from Riverhead to the garage) unless the 14 deadhead to Peekskill based garage of the 16, 18 & 31

 

* yes the 17 should make round trips. ..also the last 19 should leave Katonah at 7:30pm...530pm is way too early don't forget that Mount Kisco depends on the 19 after the truncation of the 12 (which again! !! Should be reinstated to JV Mall)

 

* BL 20 24/7 BL 21 7 days with no more 20 short turns to Cross County (eliminate currents status)

 

* accord to the 26 & 30

 

* BL 40 should terminate full time at 241 street and BL 42 at 233 street to not congested the turning point for two routes at 241 st

 

* BL 60 needs the Bryant ave loop it is important transit area I've seen some passengers boarding and dismounting at this segment keep it as it.is

 

* BL 3 weekdays full time Yonkers- White Plains express no service to Purchase

 

* Accord with you with the BL 63 to Pleasantville after all veryseldom would a rider ride from PPleasantville to Yonkers as the BL 6 separated in two segments. The Pleasantville- White Plains segment and the White Plains- Yonkers segment

 

BL 4 could become 24/7 after all it does connect to the is just. I don't see it late night owl material i mean McLean ave late night hours it is abandoned not like Broadway which is a little more idling

 

Also converging the BL 1 and 7 sounds great after all the BL 7 passes through the very busy Empire casino and is in need of a bus network.

[tripleeye49]

What do you mean by "regular service"

 

Anyway, how low is ridership on the 1X? I know Bee Line buses are generally a lot quicker than NYC buses, but that's still a pretty long ride from WCC to Yonkers on local streets.

 

Your local #3 is basically a branch of the #6 to Purchase (that's extended to 242nd Street)

 

The #5 would be taking a really roundabout route. Anything from the south should either serve WCC/WMC or White Plains, not both (especially with the #2 already covering Yonkers-WCC/WMC travel). As for cutting it back to White Plains and having the #14/15 cover the portion to Harrison, that's an interesting way to go about doing it. 

 

I can agree with a span extension on the #14 & #15. As for the frequency, keep in mind that a decent chunk of riders have 2 or more buses they can use interchangably (#13/14 between Ossining & White Plains, #14/15 between Peekskill and WCC/WMC/White Plains). It's not ideal, but (in general), I think the headway meets the demand.

 

I think there should be a few reverse-peak #17 trips, since they're headed that way to get to/from the depot. For the #15, I'm not sure what their logic is behind the current schedule. I can understand an odd headway like 75 minutes, but it seems like they just throw the buses on whenever they feel like it. Maybe they're interlining with the #14 at White Plains (and obviously, there's a #15 trip that comes off the #17). It should definitely be looked into.

 

As I mentioned, I think the #42 would provide an adequate overnight substitute for the #40 & #60 for service to Mt. Vernon/New Rochelle respectively.

 

 

 

Regular service meaning it would run at intervals of 60 minutes or less up until 1 or 2 AM depending on route, then between 2 AM and 5 AM you could have one bus run at 3:30 AM (90 minutes between 2 AM and 5 AM).

 

Also the reason I suggested the 40 and 60 is because of Fordham Road.  I believe it would be helpful to have service from Fordham to those neighborhoods.

[checkmatechamp13]

BL 4 could become 24/7 after all it does connect to the is just. I don't see it late night owl material i mean McLean ave late night hours it is abandoned not like Broadway which is a little more idling

 

McClean Avenue is more residential than Broadway. How bustling do you expect it to be when there's nothing to walk to?

[78 via Stew Leonards]

I also think the 12 should be revived to Jefferson Valley

[beelinefan]

Earlier today i saw a artic on the 13 headed to playland (was driving so i could not get a pic).

[MassTransitHonchkrow]

 

 

Do keep in mind that the pocket of Elmsford is isolated from Route 119 (the streets all dead-end), and you either have to go up to Hartsdale Avenue, or cross over the Sprain Brook Parkway (by walking in the street, since that Hartsdale Avenue bridge doesn't have a sidewalk). The closest "mainline" local route is actually the #6 bus, which obviously doesn't match the combined frequency of the Tarrytown Road routes.

 

With that being said, I don't disagree with eliminating the #34. While they're at it, there's no need to have both the #64 & #66 looping through Scarsdale (the #63 only has a couple of trips doing it). For that matter, is there enough turnover on the #66 within Scarsdale to justify virtually every bus doing a full loop of the village? If that's not the case, I would be inclined to just have the #66 run straight down Popham/Ardsley Road, and have the #63 terminate by the Garth Road apartments. Maybe extend to the #64 terminal full-time.

 

The #34 also serves Ardsley while the other two serve communities in Greenburgh hamlets.

 

It may seem excessive to you, but there's a population there that would be worse off with cars as there ARE a lot of dead ends & Class D regulations that buses are easier to exempt from.

 

Our geography is rougher as well. Funny how Westchester is "excessive" and at the same time NYCT routes aren't enough. Such a funny paradox.

 

There is no operator or employee in favor of an overnight schedule. It will never be on the table for the same reasons we don't do Thanksgiving or Christmas. Bee-Line pwrsonnel have more room to negotiate what NYCTA cannot. Literally.

 

Even suggesting Thanksgiving AM & Xmas PM service was a jaw drop at the last convention I attended at the County Center when I bought it to the table.

 

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1 - Only one route and that is to Tarrytown, running every 30 minutes during the day, and truncated at the Yonkers border evenings, and Getty Square at nights. Would run daily 24/7, with regular service until 2 AM. Service every 90 minutes until 5 AM.

 

2 - North of Tudor Woods, would replace the 1C/1X routes, running via Broadway, White Plains Road, then Saw Mill River Road, then current 1C route to WCC and the hospitals to connect to northern Westchester Routes. This expansion would be effective weekdays 6 AM to 10 PM. Service to current terminal would run until 2 AM.

 

3 - Expanded service would have local and express route from the Bronx via White Plains to Purchase. Would run until 10 PM daily. Local route would run via Broadway, Ashford Avenue, Saw Mill River Road, Dobbs Ferry Road, Tarrytown/White Plains Road, Downtown White Plains (most buses would terminate there), Westchester Avenue, and Purchase Street. Express service unchanged. 1W eliminated.

 

4 & 7 buses would run 24/7 with regular service until 2 AM.

 

5 & 6 buses would be extended to Riverdale / 242nd Street daily until midnight.

 

5 - North of Central Avenue would via Saw Mill River Road, to the Westchester Medical Center, then to Westchester Community College, then via 40 route to the Transcenter, and the 13 route to Broadway / Main Streets in White Plains, where service would terminate. Harrison customers would take the 14 or 15 buses there.

 

14, 15, 17 buses - expanded to Harrison, replacing the 5 bus.

 

14 - Service would run until midnight, daily, with 30 minute headways most of the day.

15 - Service would run until 9 PM, daily with 60 minute headways most of the day

17 - Express service would run until 8 PM.

 

20 / 21 - BRT would be the 21, and would run daily until midnight, while 20 Local would run 24/7, hourly after midnight.

 

40 / 43 - Service expanded to Fordham Plaza via Bronx River Road / Webster Avenue. Unlike the 60 which makes all stops along with the Bx12, and Bx30 buses, the W40, and W43 buses will only stop at major intersections between Gun Hill and Fordham Roads, and will not do the following due to the Bx41 bus service:

 

1) discharge northbound passengers until buses are north of Gun Hill Road

2) pick up southbound passengers south of Gun Hill Road.

 

40 - would run until midnight, with limited stops to White Plains during peak hours, and local stops all other times. Late nights would run as shuttle between Fordham and Mount Vernon.

 

41 - would become the local and would run from Mount Vernon to White Plains during peak hours.

 

60 - would run 24/7 service between Fordham and New Rochelle.

Uhh.

 

The 1T runs every hour at the '50 mark, thru Saturday. The 1C runs every hour at the '30 mark, weekdays only. The 1W runs every hour at the '10 mark, also thru Saturday. The 1X is a peak express version of the 1C that runs solely through Sprain Brook to Mount Pleasant.

 

None but the 1 | City Line runs Sunday.

 

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The #34 also serves Ardsley while the other two serve communities in Greenburgh hamlets.

 

It may seem excessive to you, but there's a population there that would be worse off with cars as there ARE a lot of dead ends & Class D regulations that buses are easier to exempt from.

 

Our geography is rougher as well. Funny how Westchester is "excessive" and at the same time NYCT routes aren't enough. Such a funny paradox.

 

There is no operator or employee in favor of an overnight schedule. It will never be on the table for the same reasons we don't do Thanksgiving or Christmas. Bee-Line pwrsonnel have more room to negotiate what NYCTA cannot. Literally.

 

Even suggesting Thanksgiving AM & Xmas PM service was a jaw drop at the last convention I attended at the County Center when I bought it to the table.

 

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Uhh.

 

The 1T runs every hour at the '50 mark, thru Saturday. The 1C runs every hour at the '30 mark, weekdays only. The 1W runs every hour at the '10 mark, also thru Saturday. The 1X is a peak express version of the 1C that runs solely through Sprain Brook to Mount Pleasant.

 

None but the 1 | City Line runs Sunday.

 

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There's no way in hell Andy would subject a single Bee-Line route to round clock service, not even a loop. Our latest loop is the #78, and our latest local south of I-287 is the #20. North? The #14 with a final run at 10:14 PM from Lane E...

 

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[78 via Stew Leonards]

When is the next bee line job exam? when and where do you apply?

[MassTransitHonchkrow]

I love those AN460's, but they need to go.

They look just like the ones in New Jersey. In fact, even the slogans are similar. If you were spun blindfolded and had it taken off, you wouldn't know if you were the White Plains terminal or Hoboken Station.

 

It's creepy how almost identical they are...but NJT buses are far more comfy and regal.

 

And they squeeze everything out of their clever devices.

 

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When is the next bee line job exam? when and where do you apply?

Try their HQ at 100 East First Street in Mount Vernon. About a ten to fifteen minute walk from Prospect Ave & N 3rd St (Petrillo Plaza) [MNR-NH, #07, #40/41/43, #52, #53, #54, #55]

 

Mount Vernon is very walkable. It's probably the only community outside the city line that I'd feel OK walking two miles on my own feet.

 

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