Eric Kreszl Posted August 25, 2007 Share #1 Posted August 25, 2007 Hello, Does anyone know what the story is regarding these locomotives and why NJT bought them? Any thoughts, or Opinions? Eric Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Posted August 25, 2007 Share #2 Posted August 25, 2007 The only I can think of is $$$. They're used, cheap, fairly reliable and still got plenty of miles left in them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewJerseyT Posted August 25, 2007 Share #3 Posted August 25, 2007 I say they look the same as the PL42s in a sense,but it seems as though as long as they can get the job done etc. And I bet they are able to pull the bi-levels with ease as they can pull superliners with no problem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pablo M 201 Posted August 25, 2007 Share #4 Posted August 25, 2007 NJT got those P40s from Amtrak to put them on the Atlantic City service from northern NJ. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eric Kreszl Posted August 25, 2007 Author Share #5 Posted August 25, 2007 Remeber the Railworld F40PH-2's? Those were the Ex Amtrak F40's that NJT bought. They are all in Altoona PA waiting to be scrapped. I hope that doesn't happen to these. Eric Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewJerseyT Posted August 25, 2007 Share #6 Posted August 25, 2007 I don't think they would get scrapped,they are still fairly new like Harry said plenty of miles left,reliable,taken care off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jerseyemt Posted December 25, 2007 Share #7 Posted December 25, 2007 These P40s will be used for the NYP-Atlantic City express service that will be starting up in the near future. They were needed as they fit in the North River tunnels under the Hudson in/out of NYP. These trains will have both a P40 and an ALP (either a ALP-44 or ALP-46). They will run under electric power from the ALP from NYP to Shore interlocking outside of Philly, at which point the train will reverse direction and head to Atlantic City on the Atlantic City Line, powered by the P40. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pablo M 201 Posted December 25, 2007 Share #8 Posted December 25, 2007 These P40s will be used for the NYP-Atlantic City express service that will be starting up in the near future. They were needed as they fit in the North River tunnels under the Hudson in/out of NYP. These trains will have both a P40 and an ALP (either a ALP-44 or ALP-46). They will run under electric power from the ALP from NYP to Shore interlocking outside of Philly, at which point the train will reverse direction and head to Atlantic City on the Atlantic City Line, powered by the P40. I KNEW the P40s can fit in those tunnels. But wait, isn't Amtrak (and NJT I think?) against sending a diesel into those tunnels, even though in the case of the Atlantic City Express, the diesel loco will be playing dead. As for the electric loco that will be on one end of the train, it'll be an ALP-46 since they wanna put ML cars in the consist. Its not going to be many in a consist, but I guess for better power, they'll run it with an ALP-46. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jerseyemt Posted December 26, 2007 Share #9 Posted December 26, 2007 I KNEW the P40s can fit in those tunnels. But wait, isn't Amtrak (and NJT I think?) against sending a diesel into those tunnels, even though in the case of the Atlantic City Express, the diesel loco will be playing dead. As for the electric loco that will be on one end of the train, it'll be an ALP-46 since they wanna put ML cars in the consist. Its not going to be many in a consist, but I guess for better power, they'll run it with an ALP-46. Diesels cannot have their engine(s) (some passenger diesels have only one engine -- the HEP is generated off of the prime mover, others have two engines -- one for traction and one for generating HEP) running in the tunnels because they do not have sufficient ventilation for diesel exhaust. There are no restrictions against diesels running into/out of NYP with their diesel engine(s) not running, just as long as they fit the loading gauge of the tunnels (which is why NJT procured the P40's in the first place). Actually, sometimes diesels are even sent into the tunnels while running. But this is only when there is a catenary failure and trains need to be towed out of the tunnels. As for the electric loco, it doesn't necessarily have to be an ALP-46. An ALP-44 can haul several multilevel coaches no problem. And because these NYP-AC trains will be super-expresses -- initially, no stops at all -- they won't really require the extra acceleration & power of an ALP-46. Sure, they'll probably usually have an ALP-46 on these trains, but don't be surprised if you see an ALP-44 -- anything can happen on the railroad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaTransitMan4608 Posted March 4, 2010 Share #10 Posted March 4, 2010 Well I got bad news (NJT) is taking them out of svc due to what happened on the ACES. The P40s leaving is going to change the ACES dramatically heres 2 things there gonna do there going to now run PL42s in the ACES with a cabcar on the back ACES will now terminate @ Newark instead of NYP Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
metsfan Posted March 4, 2010 Share #11 Posted March 4, 2010 So much for the skeptics of the dual modes, we need them! - A Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Far Rock Depot Posted March 4, 2010 Share #12 Posted March 4, 2010 Well I got bad news (NJT) is taking them out of svc due to what happened on the ACES. The P40s leaving is going to change the ACES dramatically heres 2 things there gonna do there going to now run PL42s in the ACES with a cabcar on the back ACES will now terminate @ Newark instead of NYP What happened on the ACES? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pablo M 201 Posted March 4, 2010 Share #13 Posted March 4, 2010 Well I got bad news (NJT) is taking them out of svc due to what happened on the ACES. The P40s leaving is going to change the ACES dramatically heres 2 things there gonna do there going to now run PL42s in the ACES with a cabcar on the back ACES will now terminate @ Newark instead of NYP Hmmm....I'll believe it when I see it..... ACES riders would not be happy about this so we'll see how long NJT will even try this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaTransitMan4608 Posted March 4, 2010 Share #14 Posted March 4, 2010 What happened on the ACES? (NJT)P40 4800 Caught fire near Grundy Interlocking on the :nec: and the fire brought down 1400 ft of catenary which closed the inside tracks whacking and (NJT) with delays between Trenton NJ and Wilmington DE beace Amtrak had to fix the catenary Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theaveragejoe Posted March 7, 2010 Share #15 Posted March 7, 2010 Remeber the Railworld F40PH-2's? Those were the Ex Amtrak F40's that NJT bought. They are all in Altoona PA waiting to be scrapped. I hope that doesn't happen to these. Eric They ended up on lease to AMT in Montreal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theaveragejoe Posted March 7, 2010 Share #16 Posted March 7, 2010 Well I got bad news (NJT) is taking them out of svc due to what happened on the ACES. The P40s leaving is going to change the ACES dramatically heres 2 things there gonna do there going to now run PL42s in the ACES with a cabcar on the back ACES will now terminate @ Newark instead of NYP This is only going to me temperary Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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