MTA isn't ready for LaGuardia AirTrain ridership, comptroller says

[R68OnBroadway]

What would be great is having the  (and  with deinterlining) run to LGA and later Flushing to get a second line out there. From there you can either run both them via the local or maybe have one run via Astoria peak express to see if you can siphon away more  riders.

[bobtehpanda]

4 hours ago, Uncle Floyd Fan said:

No plan is perfect due to crowding issues and cost issues. At the rate we're all going, we might as well stay with the Q70 as it is (at least we'll save a few billion$).

There is a reason why no-build is a required alternative in any alternatives analysis.

This is just throwing billions of dollars at what rich people think is a problem.

[Uncle Floyd Fan]

1 hour ago, bobtehpanda said:

There is a reason why no-build is a required alternative in any alternatives analysis.

This is just throwing billions of dollars at what rich people think is a problem.

.....but the contractors wouldn't like the no-build option. They only make $$$ when they're building something.

Last I looked, rich people fly into Teterboro and probably take a chopper to their final destination. They laugh at us who comment back and forth on a transit forum over which form of public transit is better.

Edited July 10, 2019 by Uncle Floyd Fan

[XcelsiorBoii4888]

Sorry for bringing this back up, but why not have this so called AirTrain run from LIC to LGA via the Amtrak right of way and making a sharp right to the north side of the Grand Central Parkway (GCP) all the way to LGA? 

You can build it over existing railway infrastructure, connecting it with the  trains at Queensboro and Queens Plaza. 

Also, since there's supposed to be a planned Sunnyside Station for the LIRR, that would provide LIRR riders with easy access (and to encourage LIRR riders to use the AirTrain, LIRR can implement a 'LGA Airport' station into their system, and charge accordingly to avoid paying a separate fare for the Airtrain). There can be ticket scanners that scan your paper tickets and collect them, and another that allows you to scan your E-Tix for entry. The same can be implemented at JFK where the LIRR creates a 'JFK Airport' station and you can book your trip via the LIRR app and be charged according to zone and distance to avoid paying with two different payment systems. 

The AirTrain would run parallel to the LIRR tracks along Skillman and Barnett Aves, then it will fly over the LIRR tracks and run parallel to the eastern-side of the Amtrak R.O.W to the GCP, where it can make a sharp right and run on the North side parallel to the GCP all the way to LGA. 

It would have a terminal stop at LIC/Sunnyside, and then stops at Marine Air Terminal, Terminal B, and another stop in between Terminal C/D...and if needed...can run to 'Willets Point'. 

 

Thoughts? 

Edited June 28, 2020 by XcelsiorBoii4888

[Bay Ridge Express]

7 hours ago, XcelsiorBoii4888 said:

Sorry for bringing this back up, but why not have this so called AirTrain run from LIC to LGA via the Amtrak right of way and making a sharp right to the north side of the Grand Central Parkway (GCP) all the way to LGA? 

Cool idea, but I don't see them changing their minds anymore, especially with Cuomo being oddly and exceptionally determined in his Willets Pt project. 

Also, there's no way this could be connected to what is currently proposed unless costs are dramatically reduced, and we have this pandemic to simply exacerbate that situation.

[BreeddekalbL]

Cuomo is an already hardheaded gavone on this, and I hope this project gets more expensive so they have to backout 

[bobtehpanda]

1 hour ago, BreeddekalbL said:

Cuomo is an already hardheaded gavone on this, and I hope this project gets more expensive so they have to backout 

The Port Authority doesn't back out of expensive projects, they just hike the Hudson tolls to pay for overruns.

See: World Trade Center

[Lex]

2 hours ago, BreeddekalbL said:

Cuomo is an already hardheaded gavone on this, and I hope this project gets more expensive so they have to backout 

For the record, any price for the project (as planned) is too much.

If anything, LGA AirTrain isn't ready for MTA ridership.

(If it connected to Woodside, Jackson Heights, or even Flushing, maybe we'd be singing a different tune.)

[BreeddekalbL]

35 minutes ago, Lex said:

For the record, any price for the project (as planned) is too much.

If anything, LGA AirTrain isn't ready for MTA ridership.

(If it connected to Woodside, Jackson Heights, or even Flushing, maybe we'd be singing a different tune.)

True if done a different way I'd agree with ya, I was back home for the holidays for 2 weeks I rode the  train 3 times and she gets crowded very quickly and then fatten it up with lga traffic it will be a disaster. the way it is proposed as is I would not sign off on it

Edited June 29, 2020 by BreeddekalbL

[XcelsiorBoii4888]

7 hours ago, Lex said:

For the record, any price for the project (as planned) is too much.

If anything, LGA AirTrain isn't ready for MTA ridership.

(If it connected to Woodside, Jackson Heights, or even Flushing, maybe we'd be singing a different tune.)

Woodside and Jackson heights is ideal, but why not LIC? Especially with all of the subway connections and the proposed LIRR Sunnyside station...it would basically become a modern day Woodside without any residential disturbance. 

[Lex]

1 hour ago, XcelsiorBoii4888 said:

Woodside and Jackson heights is ideal, but why not LIC? Especially with all of the subway connections and the proposed LIRR Sunnyside station...it would basically become a modern day Woodside without any residential disturbance. 

For one, the Q70 is a thing, and it was just shifted to artic operations. For two, LIC is great if you don't live in Queens. If you do, you run into a worse take on AirTrain JFK's Jamaica Branch (thanks to odd funding rules, it literally can't be used by anyone between the terminus and the airport, even if the people at intermediate points would be looking to reach the airport).

The best way to connect LIC to LaGuardia by train is to extend Astoria (/) there.