ttcsubwayfan

Orions are decent, except for Orion IIIs, Orion VIs (with doors at the very back) and hybrid VIIs. I and V would definitely have to be Orion's best work, although those are not without fault either (such as the lack of stainless steel frames on the V prior to 2000.)

Well even though I am an RTS fan, I will admit the ex bl o5s are handling better Than i expected given the abuse they have faced from mta bus. Lol, as for the cng bus, well I still don't see why anyone would want to jump thru all that red tape to own one when there must be plenty of the diesel version...

RTS is alright, but TTC's are rather poor so I can't really comment on them. One of the TTC's Orion V series is also heavily abused on the busiest routes in the city, and they just keep on ticking. Only a single unit has been retired.

As for CNGs... my favorite series of TTC buses is 50 ex-CNG Vs. I think they're better as diesels, but that's just my personal opinion. Plus, they got the Cummins M11 - good stuff.