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True. The M3a’s are really only run on weekdays, never on weekends unless it’s super necessary. Additionally, the relatively good condition of their interiors and additional seating makes them a favorite among MNRR commuters.

What’s wrong with it? Why don’t you ask the forum rules which he so eloquently broke: "Please tailor your posts accordingly to not offend anyone. Any content that is unlawful, harmful, harassing, threatening, defamatory, vulgar, hateful or distasteful in nature is prohibited. Posting with the deliberate intent of flaming or trolling members is prohibited and will result in the loss of privileges. Is “I wonder what flows through your minds here when you come up with these ideas” not hateful to people who spend free time thinking of ideas for the goodwill of other members? How about “I wish you’d put a little more thought into them”, which implies that some people don’t spend time drawing out proposals? If you want to talk further, send me a massage, I don’t enjoy having conversations with people, especially those with so-called “authority” abusing said power and offering nothing of their own.

You think he should warn/ban members for proposing ideas? You were the one a few weeks ago that suggested we discuss what to do when Second Avenue Service gets increased, so what do you want me to do, say nothing? And, no, he doesn’t have to express his own opinion, but if he replies with sarcastic remarks, questioning what flows through my mind, and saying one needs to think more, don’t think I or anyone else wouldn’t issue a rebuttal. In my PR company, if one of my managers ask for ideas, and anyone from a newcomer to a veteran proposes it, I would expect the managers I hire to evaluate them with respect and courtesy, not make a joke and question his/her’s thought process, and if that ever did happen, I would fire him/her immediately. I have no problem with someone disagreeing with me, that’s fine, I’ll take it, but don’t insult people, flaunt off some hollow stars and a title, and demand more thought.

Exactly, I ride the Metro North every day, and I’ve never seen any M7a with 10 or more cars (I have seen M8’s with 10 cars). Because of this, all of those peak Harlem Line trains from 5pm to 6pm that require more than 8 cars are always M3a. I read it was a power issue with the M7a.

Look, I’m just trying to come up with ideas. Do you have a suggestion of what to do when Second Ave needs additional service? I don’t know who made you a senior moderator, but any moderator on a civil forum wouldn’t rant on a contributor trying to express his/her ideas. Real shame there isn’t a complaint box around here.....

I was looking at this image of the 1987 Service Changes, and after reviewing them, I’ve come to the conclusion that after the construction is over and when the R211’s enter service, there will have to be a similar structure to what we see on the diagram: - Astoria Ditmars Blvd - Coney Island (ALL TIMES) via Montague during Rush Hours Middays and Late Nights, and via Bridge on Weekdays. At Peak, 11-12 TPH out of Ditmars, 4-5 of them would short turn at Whitehall. - 96st 2nd Ave - Coney Island (ALL TIMES) Broadway Express all times except nights, via Bridge 24/7 - Forest Hills (or Whitehall nights) to Bay Ridge (ALL TIMES) Broadway Local via Montague. - 96st/2nd Ave - Kings Highway or Coney Island (RUSH) 9th Avenue or Kings Highway (Middays) Broadway Express. 20 Minute Headways during Middays like today’s GO’s. No Weekend or Rush Hours. An extra TPH is operated at Rush to run up Astoria to keep Astoria at 12-13 TPH Here are the advantages: - Astoria maintains 12-13 TPH with 11-12 ’s and the extra which could be signed as an to Bay Ridge. - 2nd Avenue gets increased service of about 6 TPH with service every 10 minutes. - Sea Beach gets increased from 9 TPH to 12 TPH, with alternating and service, perfect for commuters that want either an express up to midtown or service to the Financial District. - Broadway Line merges are eliminated, and the extra Montague service alleviates the strain of the DeKalb bottleneck. - 4th Avenue Local TPH increases. - Less confusion, as Astoria/Sea Beach wouldn’t have a different primary line on Weekdays, nights and Weekends Here are the disadvantages: - Astoria (and Lex/59, 5/59) losses the express service - This couldn’t be permanent, as the supplemental service will have to go back to Astoria when the enters service - Second Avenue still doesn’t have 4 tracks, sorry Mr.X..... Thoughts?

Curious: Will the M9’s (on the MNRR) have the 8 car max like the M7’s have? There are certain Harlem Line trains (like the 5:35 Expre$$ with the first stop of $car$dale) that a 12 car M3a, and plenty of other 10 car peak M3a trains. What is the plan for those trains that require more than 8 cars?

Curious: Could this or whatever you want to call it, run from Canarise-Rockaway Pkwy? It could run weekdays only from 96/2nd Ave, via 6th Ave through the Williamsburg bridge all the way to Canarsie? No reason to turn 'em at Broadway Junction if you can extend them to Canarsie and provide a one seat ride to Manhthan from 6 effected Train stops.

I'm not cutting any Queens Blvd service, the extra TPH would come from Broadway Junction like I said upthread. Additionally, I believe you'd be unable to add more than 14 TPH at 96st, and there aren't that many spare train cars to use.

So, here is my Peak TPH Proposal if they want to add the second service up Second Avenue: Second Avenue: Currently - ’s to Coney Island via Brighton [10 TPH] ’s to Coney Island [1 TPH] ~ Total: 11 TPH Proposal - ’s to Coney Island via Brighton [9 TPH], / / ’s to Downtown/Bklyn/Qns [5 TPH] ~ Total: 14 TPH Metropolitan Avenue: Currently - ’s to Forest Hills via 6th Ave [8 TPH] Proposal - ’s to Forest Hills via 6th Ave [6 TPH], , , / ’s to 96st via 6th Ave [4 TPH] ~ Total: 10 TPH

I think Metropolitan Avenue could do 10 TPH, then you could short-turn one southbound at 2nd Ave/Houston or Broadway Junction.

Ok, that's a fair an accurate point. I mostly live in Astoria, and as someone who commutes from Union Square, I agree that signing those rush (N)'s as (Q)'s works well (heck, the is internally just a local ). Either way, my thought was to do something within the relm of possiblity, where there enough cars to operate such extra service, and adding so many extra TPH seems a little tough for the stop-gap measure that's needed for Fall.

Well, I don’t envision it as a full time line, only during peak periods, like the to Nereid Avenue (with 3-4 TPH to complement the service, which is all that’s needed at this point.) Why would you create a separate designation all for an extension of a service that is going to run a few trips? When Phase 2 kicks in, then we can talk about a full second service.

It’s better than running trains up there like they are currently discussing for the fall.

That makes sense, only I would support simply having split terminals with one common Designation, and having it be a weekday only line. I do believe that with the under long term constrcution, additional service from Williamsburg to Midtown would be welcome. Maybe just add 4-5 TPH up SAS. Any extra service that Metroploitan Ave couldn't handle could terminate in 2nd Ave/Houston or Broadway Junction.

I know there will probably be a fairly obvious answer to this, but I’m curious: Is there any reason why some supplemental SAS service can’t be provided by a 6th Avenue Line? I know some might complain that it’s merging, but I think a little extra merging in a quieter would be better running extra ’s up SAS, which stops at a lot of the same stops that the does. Maybe to add an extra TPH here or there, that’s ok, but if you wanted to add considerable extra service, couldn’t you at least consider a 6th Avenue service?

I think it would be crazy to have overworked R32’s in regular service, while having dozens of R160’s sitting around.....

Despite this being a southbound issue. Right at the time of the issue there was a gap of service northbound from Brooklyn, and service was suspended to my understanding due to the fact that southbound & were using the Montague Tunnel. So, after waiting 15 minutes for an Astoria bound & at 57/7, a signed to Ditmars arrived! Surprisingly, it wasn’t confusing at all, as once we got passed 57/7, it felt like a normal ride from last year.....

No, I didn't want to interogate him, I was simply curious and asked him a friendly question.

So, another great day of riding the Astoria Line during midday hours. Seriously, it was a good commute, only, I have one comment. The train was fast, worked well, and after I missed one at Queensboro, there was another one in 6 minutes, and it came with some seats available, per usual. However, I couldn't help but notice the lack of any construction on the entire Astoria Line. The supposed reason why (W)'s aren't running up here. Neither direction was skipping any stops, and service was fast and efficent. When I got out at Ditmars, I asked the T/O why (W)'s weren't running up here, and he laughed and said "Maybe to help the in Manhattan" So, I'm curious, is the MTA pulling a Queens Blvd and diverting midday service just to help out the loads in the Upper Easr Side? I think the T/O was mainly joking, but loads were fine, and no one is complaining on the SAS....

Well, Chambers Street is either going to have to close for a long time due to safety issues or get renovated. There are frequently massive puddles, platform walls filled with rust and decay, and despite it's cavernous size, you can often hear a pindrop due to how quiet it is.

Who’s to say the 60st Tunnel won’t need to be closed for 5 years? Or, what if there needs to be another Williamsburg/Manhattan Bridge rehabilitation? What if a massive economical crisis hits and subway service needs to be cut by 10%? So many things can happen, and probably will happen by 2040, let alone 2100.

I still firmly believe that the designation will be the sole Astoria service while the will be the supplemental, but, after Phase 3 kicks in (could be 25+ years) then I’d assume the current service pattern will return with two Astoria services, but that’s 25+ years in the future, when the R160’s will be the oldest train’s in the fleet. Take a look at the map from 1992 and let me know if it’s similar to what you see in today’s map; so many things might happen that will change the complexion of the subway system we know today, so it’s impossible to predict that far ahead.

Well, something needs to be done with it. The situation of the stations is so utterly horrible, a major renovation needs to be done, or they need to close the line for a few years to make them “enhanced” like they are doing with Sea Beach and 4th Ave.

This is 20 years or so down the road, so one never knows what’ll happen. However, I do have to say, if Phase 4 does open as planned, and you don’t link it with the SAS, you might as well close the Nassau St Line. It is severely underutilized and Chambers St is, while historic, is about as disgusting as it comes to a Subway Station. I think as less and less people use the Financial District and Midtown becomes more popular, the , going uptown (maybe up to 96st, you never know...) with connections to Financial bound Lexington Avenue Line and the new Second Avenue Line is all you’ll need.