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So in other words during the AM peak, the remaining nine 600’ trainsets for the are R179s, with one extra 600’ train of another R179 added alongside that R68/A in the PM peak. Having the be half-ass seems like a pretty boneheaded move on this agency’s part, but what else can I say. 😒 As for the leftover thing, yeah that’s a severe reduced spare factor at Pitkin Avenue Yard for all three lines in question - the . Each individual line is suppose to be on average 27% on spare trainsets, but of course now all that is thrown out the window till the R211s. Under normal circumstances, the would need more than just 5 spare trains since the R46s are 45 years old and the second oldest cars in the system after the SIR R44s. But now with the R32s retired because of this forced decision, that too is also thrown out the window till the R211s.

Like MHV9218 said, it is only 188 R179s that are arranged in four-car sets (meaning two four-car trains make up an eight-car train of 480 feet long), but they are not enough to fully retire 272 combined R32s and R42s in four-car sets. Keep in mind that the is the only mainline B Division line to be 480 feet long (8-car trainsets) just like the BMT Eastern Division’s lines are. Also keep in mind that the runs a total of 18 trainsets, mathematically that is a total of 144 cars. 207th Street Yard has a total of 88 R179s to cover half of the fleet. Now that the R32s are gone, they will have to use the R46s to cover the remaining portion of the fleet. Pitkin Avenue Yard currently has a total of 354 R46s (240 cars for the and 12 cars for the Rockaway Park Shuttle). The rest are spares, with the remaining fleet being those 130 R179s arranged in five-car sets (meaning two five-car trainsets make up a ten-car train of 600 feet long). Now if the eats into more of the R46s from Pitkin Avenue Yard, that leaves only 30 R46 cars as spares. In other words, a reduced spare factor and not even for all three lines. Under normal circumstances, the average spare factor is 27% (five spare trainsets total). But now that the R32s are retired (partially because of the ongoing pandemic causing a severe ridership loss which in turn is causing a severe lack of money), I guess all that does not matter now...at least for the time being. Overall, under normal circumstances, retiring the R32s before the R211s come is a really bad idea. I noticed in general some people suggested some R46s from Coney Island Yard to be pulled over to Pitkin Avenue Yard, but they cannot for obvious reasons and the aforementioned reasons. That is the entire point...

@Lawrence St, again why would you have both the and going to New Lots for? It would make social distancing harder for the train crews at the crew area at New Lots...

How can thirteen trainsets of R179s in 10-car sets make up 80 percent of the ’s fleet...

Don’t mind him.

(Deucey was here) just because you work for the doesn’t make you a god. You’re still basically Governor Cuomo’s yes man at the end of the day. You’ll see when the R32s are fully retired soon enough. Lol. I’ll wait.

During the R160 phase in back in the late 2000s, they want (or wanted) to make sure that C/Rs on all lines in the system have not only operating controls but also a seat as well, including the and . That’s why when the used R40s and R42s in December 2008, they kept them 480 feet long rather than adding two cars per train to make them 600 feet. The B ends of the R40s and R42s did not have operating controls or a seat. Only the A ones did. On top of that, they refused to just add in new C/R boards at all stations because of costs. So they just the R40s and R42s at 480 feet long and stopped at the 10 or S car markers, cashing that 120 feet mad dash in the rear. For the 75 footers on the , it means two T/Os at Euclid Avenue Relay, which does not have a track bed for T/Os to walk to the other end of the train, raising costs, compared to 168th Street Relay, which has a track bed for T/Os to walk to the other end of the train. For the R32s on the , C/Rs don’t get a seat at the B ends, but the B ends of the R32s still have operating controls for C/Rs regardless. That’s why the and car assignment is still the same as always like before.

They are that stupid.

No. You can do the math on Google for the overall B Division stock. The runs 25 trainsets, the 29, the / combined 33, and the 21. There are 425 R68s (with nine singles for the Franklin Shuttle) and 200 R68As. That, in addition to the 750 R46s, some assigned to Pitkin for the and Rockaway Shuttle, and the rest still being swapped gradually from Jamaica to Coney Island in exchange for R160s. @Calvin, yes for a brief period of time in December 2008 alongside R40s. However, the refused to add in new C/R boards exclusively for the R40s and R42s, so T/Os had to stop all the way at the 10 or S car markers, causing a 120 feet gap in the rear and some customers got fell, tripped, or got hurt running for the train. That's one of the reasons for the prolonging the R32 retirement.

R68s are not replacing the R32s...the R68s are not new cars...

@Coney Island Av, good looks. Appreciate it. Do you have those photos of yours linked in your Linken? If you have one? Reason why I'm asking is so we can use this as reference. @Union Tpke, what you think? Should we update the R44 article on Wikipedia using @Coney Island Av's reliable information?

@RTOMan, one of the employees, confirmed the is 100% R160. Smh.

@Mysterious2train and @MysteriousBtrain, another thing to note is running times. The last time I've checked the official timetables, they were extended at selected times during off-peak hours. Hence why these trains are more "on-time". I'll probably review all lines' official timetables sometime later on or so to see if I'm not mistaken.

Okay? Lol, but you're posting all that as if I didn't know all this time around, when I already alternate between the and for years now. Point I was making is my overall experiences with the and that overall service performances can have an impact on ridership anyway. I'm sure someone here a while ago informed me of that when I used to be obsessed with the 's loading guideline policy, so to speak. Connections across the platform at express stations aren't "typically fairly easy", well, not on a weekend anyway, if you just happen to miss the train on an arriving crowded and having to wait approximately 13+ minutes or more for the next to New Lots. Other than rush hour, late evenings, overnight, and early Sunday mornings, the is the only line serving the New Lots Branch, Kingston, and Nostrand. Even during rush hour sometimes, the often tends to be a no-show. In general, you only get lucky if it's already held by supervision or coming in at the same time. Those limited rush hour s & s to New Lots and whatever scheduled s in the evening to New Lots don't really count so.

Delete. I made an error.

🙄 @NewFlyer 230, it isn’t a “super heavy line” only because of its overall irregular service in addition to its crappy weekend headways.

If you guys had read my responses to @BM5 via Woodhaven, you would see that I've acknowledge that the was always worse even before this swap thing occurred. But I'll admit I was sorta too quick to agree with @darkstar8983 though. I'll admit. That's my fault.

1) Dude, I don't know what you're talking about. That statement is more true towards @darkstar8983 than to me anyway. And my post was not solely about the R46s making the look bad. Even if I happen to live/work/go to school along the line on a daily basis, I would in no way, shape or form even considered doing such nonsense. I live along the and deal with the R46s regularly on my commute anyway so I'm already used to them even if I don't like them. 2 and 3) You have a point so I maybe should have been alot more clearer in my post. But again, in general, the is already bad enough as it is long before this swap occurred. That was the main point of my post. But overall you're right. And the constant work (flagging) under train traffic during off-peaks is another issue too. Perhaps this is why the often gets held alot along 4th Avenue in Brooklyn? I don't know.

Sorry but +1.0 is hardly an improvement...service is still the same as last year (January 2019)...meanwhile, the is the best performing Broadway Line, followed by the , a line that has long been panned by both rail buffs and riders alike for years on end...ironic isn't it? It's a shame how some people still continue to think @darkstar8983 is bullshitting around when he's not really entirely in the wrong...the has been a sad sap since 2016 when they started station renovations along the Sea Beach Line and then the Astoria Line. However, like I said before, it is not just the R46s. Now I'm not a daily rider, but the fewer times I've written it (prior to this swap which I agree is a pretty dumb type of car assignment I've ever seen), it is horrible on 4th Avenue. First it comes and leaves together with the local at the same time at 59th Street, only to get held near 36th Street to let the go first. Sometimes, it passes the at 9th Street (if the ahead and the signals are good enough), already gone at most a minute or two before the arrives at Atlantic. Some other times, if the ahead and the signals aren't quick enough depending on dwells at Atlantic, the will go extremely slow to the point the ends up catching up to it at Atlantic, let alone leaving Atlantic on its way to DeKalb before the express is fully platformed at Atlantic. The timers along the 4th Avenue Express run and the crappy track geometry between Atlantic and the bridge do not make it any better either. I also remember reading some of @CenSin's both older and recent posts about his or her experiences with the . The constant holding at 59th Street. Like why? Is the train leaving Coney Island ahead of schedule or what? The Astoria and Sea Beach lines may have been completely rehabbed in terms of stations, but piss-poor dispatching and overall operations on the are still lacking in comparison to some other lines. And don't get me started on the merge at 34th Street and the running so closely together in both directions between TSQ and the 60th Street tubes. I'm 100% positive those who ride the regularly (not just for railfanning purposes) have pointed this all out to the by email or some shit, and yet the agency continues failing to address this problem, partially due to bad management and bad transit planning, with the typical excuse "we're always broke until we get more money". The only monitors service on any line when the agency feels like it, while also spending money wastefully on stuff that aren't even broken like all those updated NTT announcements we saw over the 2010s.... Here's a clear example...remember that bootlegged review back in December 2015? It was complete trash. They were more operationally focused than of anything else plaguing the two lines. And the R32s should have always been exclusive to the until retirement, instead of all those swapping back and fourth throughout the 2010s. The reviews of the were the only ones saving some actual grace. They lead to improvements, although improvements were already pending at the time on the former two lines. A handful of rail buffs I know really love this current swap simply because they wanted to see R46s on the , a line they have not ran on in a long time till now, yet before, they were bitching and crying non-stop when they are (or were) on the and . Hypocrites.

Don't worry, dude. The will get better over time, not just with younger cars though. Just hope for the best in general. Forget about those R46s. @Lex, yes his point, not "point" as you call it, is in fact proven. The has the lowest score of all B Division lines. Re-read the chart.

@Calvin and/or @m2fwannabe, now that we reached the end of the workweek, how many R46s are left at Jamaica Yard?

General Order, a term used for track/signal work on fully closed lines that leads a particular line to being rerouted to a different line, its route length being shorten, skipping stations on the same route using the express track, or making all stops on the local track instead of its usual express service.

I love the Helvetica versions of the NYC Subway route bullets way better than any of the standard versions. Wish they been stop using the standard versions.

Oh when I said excited, I meant there's a possible chance we may have found some pretty accurate information about those five R44 cars enough for the R44 article on Wikipedia. Especially after all these past 10 years since they were last thrown out the window in general. Because you know, Wikipedia always gets a bad rap sheet for being "unreliable" even though 90% of the information the users on that site, including myself, write down are based on actual sources from the MTA themselves as well as those in the know. Ask @Union Tpke, Epic Genius, and they'll tell you. I don't care for the R44s like that lol.

Just like how it should have been from the very beginning anyway, besides the R160 phase-in in the late 2000s and the Montague Street Tunnel Closure (August 2013-Spetmber 2014). But if only the had ordered a few more R160s before they realized it was too late and eventually realized the mainline R44s needed to be retired.