Vulturious

So apparently (and I'm still not sure if it is confirmed), the R211T at Jamaica is going to be running along the presumably in service. Not sure if it is both or just the hard shell and when that'll be the case.

You're not the first to come up with this idea, but it's not a bad idea, either. Only issue is how it would skew, how possible, how expensive, and if it is overall worth it.

I just want to point out that this should not be taken seriously in the slightest, but I do appreciate the time you took out of your day to make this post to point out all the flaws in this. Even now, I'm still not entirely sure of how service would actually work when considering everything outside of the actual image itself. You are not wrong about the having to deal with the 's problem. In my defense since the is already express in Queens, I thought why not. Being express especially along a rather busy corridor and with how many people demand for service, this is me thinking killing two birds with one stone. In the case of South Brooklyn, specifically for the 's case like I said I'm still not sure of how the routing would go. I could easily have where the is the sole 4th Av Express with the running local with the along that corridor. The would then run to Bay Ridge and the to Coney via West End. Obviously that wouldn't work out because now West End loses direct express service along 4th Av, however this would allow to stay as a shuttle service running to whichever station (probably Whitehall or whatever) and trains still running into Manhattan full time. I saw room on the upper level for a switch to be place, probably tight and maybe too narrow so lower level it is, problem solved. Again, I'm still not entirely sure where things would go, if City Hall idea doesn't work out, just have the do what the is doing in the paragraph above, but instead run to Queensboro Plaza relaying along Astoria middle track. I forgot to include how Nassau St would work in the routing, but I still included it operating. Essentially it's a shuttle running between Bowery and Broad St full time, they aren't becoming abandoned. As for this last bit about the BMT Eastern division, I'm aware of the infrastructure issues (I did point out the "crazy" part in the original post as well as in this post about it being taken seriously, right) it currently has. Basically everything about the Eastern Division needs an entire remake before anything such as espansions would ever be considered which is a shame, but it is what it is. If there's anything I took from this is that I really need to explicity state that whenever I'm posting my proposals in here that nothing should ever be taken serious because it can never be realistic enough and I do not know what I am talking about. I still appreciate the effort to pointing this out to me.

Yeah I'm very much aware of the big issue the Steinway tunnel has. Widening isn't possible especially with how skinny those tunnels are even for current trains running through them. To be honest though, sooner or later those tunnels need replacing when considering its history as well. This doesn't necessarily mean they should do what I did or even the other way around for that matter. This was mainly just for shits and giggles.

Funny, but instead I have the replace the outright.

Here are some extra suggestions I have yet to see which is surprising, but this gives me the chance to say something. Keep in mind, a lot of my suggestions involve West End and South Brooklyn and I grew up there so I have my biases: 9 Av and with it's infrastructure and the way it was built makes it one of the most unique stations in the NYCT. You got the curve to/from Fort Hamilton Parkway station with trains coming in from an elevated point descending towards the station and even more descending heading towards 36 St on the opposite side for a nice higher ground view of the top of the trains. A bunch of trees on one side with a peek at the 38 St yard and garbage trains on the other side along with yard leads on the Manhattan bound side of the station. Even going to/from the 9 Av station gives it that extra uniqueness. I also recommend standing on 4 Av and 38 St street level for trains heading in and out of 36 st station. 62 St/New Utrecht Av is a cool one, you can view trains coming in and out of New Utrecht Av station at the 62 St platform and vice versa with trains (mainly just Manhattan bound) viewed from the New Utrecht Platform. It's even more cool when accounting for the fact that one station is elevated and the other being open cut while being connected by a bridge. 18 Av, 20 Av, 25 Av, and Bay 50 St stations are mainly stations that have a curve at the end of it, but nice long shots. 18 Av station has a nice view with curves on both end giving a long view of Manhattan skylines and trains coming in and out. 18 Av is my favorite because trains can go in and out rather quickly especially coming from turns. 20 Av is a nice shot of Bay Parkway not being far and long shot of the curve coming from 18 Av and a long shot of 86 St and a rather nice sunset if you're out by that point. 25 Av is another station similar to 20 Av, but with the curve being next to the station and a nice long shot view of the Ave X station. Bay 50 St with extra stuff going on with it, second to last stop and a partial view of Coney Island station, long shot view of Manhattan skylines, and yard leads with yard moves. Depending on the time of day and day of the week maybe, you can see moves happening like a rush hour NIS deadhead put-in of an train to 36 St, among other moves happening. Ocean Parkway/Brighton Beach / respectivally. Ocean Parkway for the nice view of trains coming in and out from both sides, Coney side with trains coming or going along a higher elevated structure, and Manhattan side with a wide area, express, local, and 2 layup tracks. Sometimes there will be a train that will be on one of those layups. Brighton Beach for a nice curve on the Manhattan Bound side as well as last stop for trains and along the Coney side of yet again the wide area between both Ocean Parkway and Brighton beach. Newkirk Plaza station along Brighton, mainly pointing this station out because of its skinny platform at one end of the station which gives you some really nice actions between both the and , given you got the timing right. Astoria Blvd has that view of the RFK bridge, the Grand Central Parkway highway, and views of Ditmars Blvd and Hells Gate viaduct or bridge or whatever you call it with a nice arch over the terminal. These are pretty much all the stuff I got from personal experience, if you ever do get the chance to visit some, I hope it is worth your while.

Honestly no, trains would need not just longer length trains, but extra trains overall to compensate the long extension from Court Square to Forest Hills. While riders would at least be able to catch a train, I doubt there are enough trains overall to really make anymore of a difference compared to increased service.

Well local tracks have direct access to the middle tracks so it would obviously be seemless, but if they need to keep up with service, they're going to need to have them run along the outer tracks to relay north.

Back at it again with crazy proposals, I thought about what if a connection from the Brooklyn-Broadway (or is it the other way around? Doesn't matter) were to have a connection to the Broadway line heading uptown. Essentially a connection is made through the current active tracks along the Nassau St line with a new tunnel built cutting off the connection to the northbound tracks from Canal St keeping the southbound tracks intact. Basically the same thing occurs along Broadway with another Canal St style cut north of the switches between local and express. This next bit is pretty much optional, but I decided to include widening the area along the line to allow a connection between Prince St and Broadway-Lafayette St to allow for one last transfer between the express and local trains along Broadway. Obviously, Eastern Division is going to see platform extensions under this scenario because them sticking with the 8 car 60 footers while along Broadway Express is going to be atrocious. New routing patterns follows (bear with me as I'll explain below why this is): - Bedford Park Blvd/145 St to Coney Island [Concourse Peak Local, CPW Local, 6 Av Express, via Manhattan Bridge, 4 Av Express, West End Local] - Norwood-205 St to Coney Island [Concourse Peak Express, CPW/6 Av Express, via Manhattan Bridge, Brighton Local] - Norwood-205 St to Brighton Beach [Concourse Peak Express, CPW/6 Av Express, via Manhattan Bridge, Brighton Express] - Jamaica-179 St to Coney Island [Hillside Av Local, QBL Express, via 63 St, 6 Av Local, South Brooklyn Express, Culver Local] - Forest Hills-71 Av to Church Av [QBL Local, via 53 St, 6 Av Local, South Brooklyn Local] - Jamaica Center to Bay Ridge-95 St [QBL Express, via 53 St, 8 Av Local, via Montague St, 4 Av Local] - (Yellow) 96 St-2 Av to Jamaica Center [2 Av Local, Broadway Express, via Williamsburg Bridge, Brooklyn-Broadway Peak Express, Jamaica Av Local] - (Yellow) 96 St-2 Av to Metropolitan Av [2 Av Local, Broadway Express, via Williamsburg Bridge, Brooklyn-Broadway Local, Myrtle Av Local] - Astoria-Ditmars Blvd to Coney Island [Astoria Local, via 60 St, Broadway Local, via Manhattan Bridge, 4 Av Express, Sea Beach Local] - Forest Hills-71 Av to City Hall [QBL Local, via 60 st, Broadway Local] I decided to get rid of the and since more people know the and along the Eastern division especially since the would no longer be running along Brighton, might as well not keep it around. Now for how the is running into Brooklyn to begin with, a new connection is made to cover for the lack service. I wanted to keep routing short since it's just too long honestly and just isn't reliable. As for the service in South Brooklyn, because of the lack of Broadway service along, I decided to swap around the and to basically be what they used to be during the 90's with basically the running around as the , but got rid of it the Q's name since there's no need in keeping it around. I would've had the running around on Brighton, but I decided keeping the flexibility between 3 different trunk lines running around along 4 Av, the and . Service patterns follows: - Rush hours to Bedford Park Blvd, weekdays to 145 St, weekends to 96 St replacing (yellow) trains, late nights to Atlantic Av-Barclays Center express along 4 Av - Rush hours peak express in the Bronx, trains run weekdays only - Hillside Av Express during rush hours, local during weekends and late nights - Hillside Av Local during rush hours, in service weekdays only - Current service pattern - (Yellow) Peak express along Brooklyn-Broadway during rush hours, late nights local in Manhattan - (Yellow) Current service pattern - Late nights local in Brooklyn stays running along Manhattan Bridge - Late night single track shuttle between Canal St and City Hall.

Crazy how these two were simultaneously happening, I wasn't aware of the incident involving the 7 Av line at the time, but they are presumed dead from what I hear. I was definitely aware of the incident, saw videos and photos of the dude that was on the tracks wanting to unalive themselves. A lot of people were trying to talk to the dude persuading him not to do it. I'm not sure what the aftermath was, but there is a photo of the dude back on the platform looking like Emergency Response crews sedated him or something.

I would imagine the lack of crews are still a bit of an issue, but if that ain't the case, I would assume they somehow keep either having just enough trains to cover the lines or just didn't want to bother having another line also covering. I wouldn't know, I'm just spewing stuff at this point.

A couple of things were happening today that all revolved around R160's, first one being an R160 that was running around from the morning rush and continued in service making a few extra trips all along the . Probably has something to do with an R46 not being available or a train in general not being available for the to borrow so it stuck with the 's R160 for the time being. Unfortunately it was taken out of service about 40 minutes ago due to door problems. It had that problem when at 96 St and was finally taken out when it reached Coney Island. This set made around 3 trips, first being the put-in to 96 St from Bay Ridge to run to Coney after, then 2 more round trips along the . The second unusual occurance was an ENY R160 at 9 Av was heading up along the 38 St yard lead to relay heading back down going into 9 Av lower level. That was about 3 hours ago and unknown if it's still there and why it went there in the first place, but still cool nonetheless.

Alright, I stand-corrected, genuinely was not expecting it to be a thing. I actually was flabbergasting when you showed me this, showed it to other people and even they were a little surprised. You learn something new everyday.

It does???? That's news to me. I haven't heard anything about that since ever so I'm going to take that with a whole containers worth of salt until then.

When you mention the , do you mean SAS? Because you're also forgetting Broadway, Nassau St, and CPW lines as well for Manhattan lines.

Not my photo, R179 3030-3034 was in service running along the Rockaway huttle. Not sure if it is still running around, I guess they had to start running them along that line at some point since the R46's are bound to be replaced sooner or later.

You must be on something if you think CBTC isn't planned to cover the whole system. We already have plans for a lot of lines to have it implemented in the next 10 years or so, 8 Av is already acquiring it along with 6 Av and Crosstown set to receive and I think Fulton is also next apparently, but don't quote me on that. Lexington shouldn't be that far behind along with Astoria. The only reason other lines like say 4 Av in Brooklyn or WPR in the Bronx or even Brooklyn-Broadway since these two lines already are fully NTT's are not getting CBTC is because they aren't the priority and implementation takes a while. We already seen how long it took for QBL to receive especially with the f**k up of Culver CBTC taking even longer to complete and 8 Av CBTC isn't even finished either. These things are going to take years to even decades to finish.

The and do not interfere with each other at all and same exact thing with the and . trains are cut off by the and as well as vice versa and the experiencing the same exact thing with interference from both the and .

Uh, last I checked, the connection you're referring to that goes to the Linden Shop and connects to the line is not powered by anything. Only work trains go through there so you're already wrong in how the process would go lol. This is how the process actually goes or at least the quickest way from Woodlawn: Layup around Kingsbridge Road if not in Concourse yard already (Concouse stores R142/A's sometimes) Run all the way along the to Atlantic Av Turn back to run via the all the way to Queensboro Plaza then along the the rest of the way Both 207 St and Jerome/Concourse Yard are the "easiest and most direct" yards to/from Corona because they already have access to B division tracks (not really in Jerome's case). Trains coming from WPR would have to relay at 96 St then head back north to 207 St then go back down again. Or maybe on the middle track at 138 St-GC to head back up towards Concourse then to go down again. Pelham trains would have to head all the way to 125 St then relay to run along Jerome Av to Concourse. These are unfortunately the quickest and only way unless they all head down towards South Ferry loop for some odd reason.

Unnecessary, skip-stop in NYC in general is frowned upon because they just don't work. The only area I can say that works is the skip-stop combo because of how isolated the line and how far those stations are from Manhattan. Those that take it don't have issues with it because it's a time-saver and only other way for a faster service going through the line. It also has to do from what I hear about it being balanced. Line like the skip-stop service wasn't from what I hear and wasn't always around any way, the line was cut for good in 2004 as well years before the budget cuts with other lines in 2010. Especially with how many stations these skip-stop services are making along with all lines attempting to be express only to be skip-stop, it's just very inconsistent and would constantly create delays. Certain lines are local because they have to be, they cannot be running express just for the sake of having an express variant.

@Isaiah Billings As Kamen Rider has stated, there is a thread for this exact purpose, doesn't matter how long this is either. Although, I will still talk about this here, while I'm at it please take a look at this track map https://www.vanshnookenraggen.com/_index/docs/NYC_full_trackmap.pdf. 49 and 50 St between 7 Av and Broadway lines would be sort of useful, but Times Square is also a thing so not really worth the connection. IIRC, there is nothing that allows the to normally switch at 57 St instead from 34 St to go to Queens. 8 Av local should not have more stops, just no and trains stop on the same tracks together going north at Canal St plus I highly doubt no one isn't getting on the at that station. Canal St between the 7 Av and 8 Av line connection could be useful, don't know how useful. Chambers St on the connect to Park Place for the , unless it's to give a connection to the , then don't bother with the connection at Canal St. Park Place is on top of Chambers St-WTC which is an IRT station, not a B divison station. Way too much unnecessary reconstruction for the sake of only having the stop there. trains cannot skip High St, only 2 track section, it cannot skip Hoyt-Schermerhorn because of the connection to the , and cannot skip Utica, riders are catching an express train. cannot stop at Jay St for obvious reasons if you looked at the map I provided Jay St and Borough Hall station connection is actually not bad. can't go to Fulton St without some heavy construction. cannot stop at Alabama because it already has a connection to the at Broadway Junction. Queens and Queensboro Plaza connection would be pretty useful, shame it hasn't been made yet. Here's what I think, you are definitely an ambitious person, but those ambitions are too much for you and the system. There is a lot that you would need to do for the system such as a bunch of reconstruction for starters. There is way too much going on here and I really hope you look at the map I sent as well as look at other maps for some geographical accuracy like Google Maps.

R211T 4050-4054 (soft-shell) was spotted to have pealing wrap because it was being washed with acid apparently due to it being tagged.

Safe to say they will not be in service?