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I wouldn't be surprised if whoever wrote the article made a mistake and wrote four hours each way when really it's like two hours each way for a total of four hours each day. Or the author of the Article thought that if the womans commute seemed longer than what it was that it was more likely that there could be help so they fudged the numbers. I should note however that since a young age I was told that Newsday wasn't the greatest so I maybe biased not to trust what they print.

As of 3/27/17 5021 is OOS after being involved in an accident 3/20/17 in Patchouge on the S54 (http://www.newsday.com/long-island/suffolk/police-3-hurt-in-suffolk-county-transit-bus-crash-in-patchogue-1.13291135) 5076 is OOS after being involved in an accident 7/20/15 - Possibly retired? Para Transit bus 2807 is OOS with Extensive front end damage. 1010 is OOS due to an accident 9/30/15 5058 is OOS due to an accident on the LIE on 9/27/16 - Possibly retired? Para Transit bus 1205 is OOS due to an accident in Riverhead 11/4/16 1034 caught fire and is possibly retired. 5081 is OOS due to unkown accident and maybe retired. On Order 2017 Coach and Equitment MetroLite: Ford Ex50: 170x-1712 (Awaiting Delivery. Only ones seen so far) 201x New Flyer XDE40: 10 Buses (70xx-70xx?) 201x New Flyer XDE35: 20 Buses (70xx-70xx?) Option Orders 43 Buses of either XDE35 or XDE40 *5053 shown in video on 2/23/17 having returned to service* *2947-2948 transferred to Fix route for use on the 7A (2948 broke down and was replaced by 2947 for the rest of the week, unknown if 2948 was returned to SCAT service) *The 7D/E, 10A, and 10D/E were proposed to be cut in 1990. It is assumed they were cut because another route that was listed with them was mentioned as having been cut but restored a few years later. It is assumed that if they were indeed cut they were restored around or before 1993 as the routes were listed on the 1993 system wide bus map Suffolk Bus Corp (82 total - 58 buses needed weekday, 47 buses needed Saturday, 16 buses needed Sunday; 60 buses needed Summer weekdays, 49 buses needed Summer Saturdays, 18 buses needed Summer Sundays) Ronkonkoma Yard (37 Total) Routes: S56,S57,S58 (Sunday Only),S59,S60,S61,S63,S66,S68,S69 (Night Loop),S76,S110,3D (Sunday Only),6A,6B,7A,7B 1999 Orion 05.503: 9908,9932-9933,9935,9939 [5] 2000 Gillig Phantom 35TB102: 2000-2001,2005 [3] 2004 Coach and Equipment Metrolite Ford E450: 2402 2005 Gillig Phantom 35TB102: 5001-5003,5007,5011-5012,5015-5016,5054,5057,5072-5075,5078-5079 [16] 2009 Starcraft Starlite Ford E450: 2947-2948 [2] 2010 Orion 07.502: 1029,1032-1033,1035-1036,1038 [6] 2010 Orion 07.503: 1066-1070,1072,1075 [7] ----------------------------------------- 2007 Coach and Equipment Metro Lite Ford E-450: 2702-2705,2708-2719,2721,2725 (16) 2008 Coach and Equipment Metro Lite Ford : 2801-2803,2806,2808-2814,2816-2830 (26) 2009 Starcraft Starlite Ford E450: 2901-2946,2949-2951 (49) 2012 Coach and Equipment Metro Lite Ford: 1201-1204,1206-1222 (21) 2013 Coach and Equipment Metro Lite Ford:1301-1328 [28] 2014 Coach and Equipment Metro Lite Ford: 1401-1409 [9] 2015 Coach and Equipment Metro Lite Ford E350: 1501-1511,1513-1539 [38] Coram Yard (16 Total) Rotues: S58,S62 2000 Gillig Phantom 35TB102: 2004 [1] 2005 Gillig Phantom 35TB102: 5014,5059,5071,5077,5080 [5] 2010 Orion 07.502: 1031,1037,1057-1063 [9] 2010 Orion 07.503: 1073 [1] --------------------------------------------------------- 2013 Coach and Equipment Metro Lite Ford: 1329 [1] Bay Shore Yard (29 Total) Routes: S40,S42,S45,S47(Summer Only),3A,3B,3C,3D 1999 Orion 05.504: 9915,9920,9923,9928-9929 [5] 2005 Gillig Phantom 35TB102: 5004-5006,5008-5010,5013 [7] 2010 Orion 07.502 35ft: 1016-1030 (15) 2010 Orion 07.503 30ft: 1071 [1] ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ 2015 Coach and Equipment Metro Lite Ford E350: 1512 [1] EBT Inc (50 total- 36 buses needed weekday, 25 buses needed Saturday, 11 buses needed Sundays) Routes: S1,S20,S23,S25,S27,S29,S31,S33,S41,S54,1A,2A,2B 1999 Orion 05.503: 9913 [1] 2005 Coach and Equipment Metrolite: 2502 2005 Gillig Phantom 35TB102: 5022-5034,5051-5053,5055-5056,5060 (19) 2008 Gillig Advantage BRT Low Floor: 8001-8004 [4] 2010 Orion 07.501 40ft: 1001-1009 [9] 2010 Orion 07.502 35ft: 1039-1053,1055-1056 [17] Twin Forks Transit* (22 total - 16 buses needed weekday and Saturday, 7 buses needed Sundays; 17 buses needed Summer Weekdays and Saturdays) Sunrise Coaches Inc. (16 total) Routes: S92,8A 2005 Gillig Phantom 35TB102: 5091-5096 [6] 2010 Orion 07.501: 1011-1015 [5] 2010 Orion 07.502: 1065 [1] 2010 Orion 07.503: 1078-1081 [4] Hampton Jitney (6 total) Routes: S94(Summer Only),10B,10C 2005 Gillig Phantom 35TB102: 5041-5042 [2] 2010 Orion 07.502 35ft: 1064 [1] 2010 Orion 07.503 30ft: 1074,1076-1077 [3] Total number of Suffolk Transit Buses: 154 * Twin Forks Transit is the contract holder, Sunrise Coach Lines and Hampton Jitney are the sub contractors as well as co-owners of the company. Official Retired Buses (Buses before 1981 were either brought used by the County or were owned by the Private companies and used on routes after the creation of Suffolk Transit) 1959 GM TDH5106: 617 [1] 19xx GM TDH4517: 330,340 [2] 19xx GM xxxxxxx: 92,395,421,435-436 [5] 1960 GM TDH4517: 420 [1] 1960 GM SDH5301: 101 [1] 1960 GM TDH5302: 371 [1] 1961 GM TDH4517: 106 [1] 1962 GM SDH4501: 1334 (Leased from New York Bus Service?) 1962 GM TDH5301: 409 [1] 1963 GM TDH4519: 527 [1] 1963 GM SDH4502: 102 [1] 1964 GM TDH4519: 837 [1] 1964 GM TDH5304: 158 [1] 1965 GM TDH4519: 292-294,840 [4] 1966 GM TDH4519: 108,111,700 [3] 1967 GM TDH4519: 104-105 [2] 1969 GMC T6H4521: 517,528 [2] 1973 GMC T6H4523A: 904,909,917,921,924 [5] 1974 GMC T6H4523A: 124 [1] 1975 Flxible 45096-6-1: 14-15,828-829,836 [5] 1981 New Flyer D901A-10235C: 108-115,119-120,550-557,800-806 (25) 1982 Gillig Phantom 3596TB: 5-13,(5,118-125),7-13,125-127,209,558-562,815-820 (31) 1982 Chance RT52: 1-4,4-6,20-22,113-117,121-124,210-214,807-814,810-812 (37) 1987 Gillig Phantom 35102TB: 701-702,8703-8704,710,8720-8733,740-742,750-760 (33) 1988 Chance RT52: 300-303,320-321,340-341,350-352,880-884 (16) 1991 Gillig Phantom 40102TB: 9100,910-917 [9] 1991 Gillig Phantom 35102TB: 9101-9108,920,930-934,940-941 (16) 1993 Flexible Metro D 30096-6T: 9301-9303,9311-9316,9321-9326,9331-9342 (27) 1996 Gillig Phantom 35102TB: 9600-9617,9620,9630-9636,9641-9655,9660-9661 (43) 1997 Gillig Phantom 3096TB: 9701-9702,9711-9714,9721-9726,9731-9734 (16) 1999 Orion 05.503: 9901-9907,9909-9912,9914,9916-9919,9921-9922,9924-9927,9930-9931,9934,9936-9938,9940-9942 (31) 2000 Gillig Phantom 35TB102 Suburban: 2002-2003 [2] 2005 Gillig Phantom 35TB102: 5059,5076,5081 [3] 2010 Orion 07.502: 1034,1054 [2] Total Number of Retired Suffolk Transit Buses: 330 Retired SCAT bus list (List in incomplete.) 1993 Unknown Ford E Series: xxxx-xxxx (2, Transferred to Suffolk County PD renumbered 29784-28785) 199x Coach and Equipment Metrolite Ford: 1909-1910 [2] 2000 Coach and Equipment Metrolite Ford E-450: 94xx,9414,9446,9494 [4] 2002 Coach and Equipment Metrolite Ford E-450: 2201-2218 [18] 2003 Coach and Equipment Metrolite Ford E-450: 2301-2315 (15) 2004 Coach and Equipment Metrolite Ford E-450: 2401-2405,2407-2425 [24] 2006 Coach and Equipment Metrolite Ford E450: 2500-2501,2503-2509,2511-2516 (15) 2007 Coach and Equipment Metrolite Ford E-450: 2701,2706-2707,2709-2710,2720,2722-2724,2726,27xx-27xx (12, 2724-27xx buses transferred to Suffolk County PD) 2008 Coach and Equipment Metrolite Ford E-450: 2804-2805,2815 [3] Total Number of Retired SCAT Buses: 96 Official Retired Routes List S71 (2001-2016) S35 (1981-2016) S90 (1981-2016) 1B (1981-2016) 5A (1981-2016) 7D/E (1981-1990,1992?-2016)* 10A (1981-1990,1992?-2016)* 10D/E (1981-1990,1992?-2016)* S74 (1981-1998) S21 (1981-1990) 1C (1981-1990) 9A (1981-1990) S64 (1981-1987?)+ +The Port Jefferson Station to Coram portion of the S64 was folded into the S60 Total Number of Retired Routes: 15 Official list of Former Operators CBS Lines, Inc (1989-2011) Inter-County Motor Coach (1977-2011) Coram Bus Service, Inc (1981-1989) The Blue Coach Lines (1981-????) Louis A. Fuoco Bus Service (1981-????) Babylon Transit (1981-????) Lindenhurst Bus Co, Inc (1981-????) Long Island Airport Service (????) Seashore Transit, Inc (1978) Alert Coach Lines (1977-1978,1981-1994) Four Season Bus Service/Holbrook Transportation (1975-1977) MSBA (1973-1975,1977-1981) Number of former operators: 12

The number of Buses Suffolk has is actually 152 or so. I at some point made a mistake in the counting, which nobody seems to have noticed, I found it after I made the recent post but it wouldn't let me make the edit. I'll make the correction the next time I update the roster.

As of 3/13/17 5076 is OOS after being involved in an accident 7/20/15 - Possibly retired? Para Transit bus 2807 is OOS with Extensive front end damage. 1010 is OOS due to an accident 9/30/15 5058 is OOS due to an accident on the LIE on 9/27/16 - Possibly retired? Para Transit bus 1205 is OOS due to an accident in Riverhead 11/4/16 1034 caught fire and is possibly retired. 5081 is OOS due to unkown accident and maybe retired. On Order 2017 Coach and Equitment MetroLite: Ford Ex50: 170x-1712 (Awaiting Delivery. Only ones seen so far) 201x New Flyer XDE40: 10 Buses (70xx-70xx?) 201x New Flyer XDE35: 20 Buses (70xx-70xx?) Option Orders 43 Buses of either XDE35 or XDE40 *5053 shown in video on 2/23/17 having returned to service* *2947-2948 transferred to Fix route for use on the 7A (2948 broke down and was replaced by 2947 for the rest of the week, unknown if 2948 was returned to SCAT service) *The 7D/E, 10A, and 10D/E were proposed to be cut in 1990. It is assumed they were cut because another route that was listed with them was mentioned as having been cut but restored a few years later. It is assumed that if they were indeed cut they were restored around or before 1993 as the routes were listed on the 1993 system wide bus map Suffolk Bus Corp (79 total - 58 buses needed weekday, 47 buses needed Saturday, 16 buses needed Sunday; 60 buses needed Summer weekdays, 49 buses needed Summer Saturdays, 18 buses needed Summer Sundays) Ronkonkoma Yard (37 Total) Routes: S56,S57,S58 (Sunday Only),S59,S60,S61,S63,S66,S68,S69 (Night Loop),S76,S110,3D (Sunday Only),6A,6B,7A,7B 1999 Orion 05.503: 9908,9932-9933,9935,9939 [5] 2000 Gillig Phantom 35TB102: 2000-2001,2005 [3] 2004 Coach and Equipment Metrolite Ford E450: 2402 2005 Gillig Phantom 35TB102: 5001-5003,5007,5011-5012,5015-5016,5054,5057,5072-5075,5078-5079 [16] 2009 Starcraft Starlite Ford E450: 2947-2948 [2] 2010 Orion 07.502: 1029,1032-1033,1035-1036,1038 [6] 2010 Orion 07.503: 1066-1070,1072,1075 [7] ----------------------------------------- 2007 Coach and Equipment Metro Lite Ford E-450: 2702-2705,2708-2719,2721,2725 (16) 2008 Coach and Equipment Metro Lite Ford : 2801-2803,2806,2808-2814,2816-2830 (26) 2009 Starcraft Starlite Ford E450: 2901-2946,2949-2951 (49) 2012 Coach and Equipment Metro Lite Ford: 1201-1204,1206-1222 (21) 2013 Coach and Equipment Metro Lite Ford:1301-1328 [28] 2014 Coach and Equipment Metro Lite Ford: 1401-1409 [9] 2015 Coach and Equipment Metro Lite Ford E350: 1501-1511,1513-1539 [38] Coram Yard (16 Total) Rotues: S58,S62 2000 Gillig Phantom 35TB102: 2004 [1] 2005 Gillig Phantom 35TB102: 5014,5059,5071,5077,5080 [5] 2010 Orion 07.502: 1031,1037,1057-1063 [9] 2010 Orion 07.503: 1073 [1] --------------------------------------------------------- 2013 Coach and Equipment Metro Lite Ford: 1329 [1] Bay Shore Yard (28 Total) Routes: S40,S42,S45,S47(Summer Only),3A,3B,3C,3D 1999 Orion 05.504: 9915,9920,9923,9928-9929 [5] 2005 Gillig Phantom 35TB102: 5004-5006,5008-5010,5013 [7] 2010 Orion 07.502 35ft: 1016-1030 (15) 2010 Orion 07.503 30ft: 1071 [1] ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ 2015 Coach and Equipment Metro Lite Ford E350: 1512 [1] EBT Inc (51 total- 36 buses needed weekday, 25 buses needed Saturday, 11 buses needed Sundays) Routes: S1,S20,S23,S25,S27,S29,S31,S33,S41,S54,1A,2A,2B 1999 Orion 05.503: 9913 [1] 2005 Coach and Equipment Metrolite: 2502 2005 Gillig Phantom 35TB102: 5021-5034,5051-5052,5053,5055-5056,5060 (20) 2008 Gillig Advantage BRT Low Floor: 8001-8004 [4] 2010 Orion 07.501 40ft: 1001-1009 [9] 2010 Orion 07.502 35ft: 1039-1053,1055-1056 [17] Twin Forks Transit* (21 total - 16 buses needed weekday and Saturday, 7 buses needed Sundays; 17 buses needed Summer Weekdays and Saturdays) Sunrise Coaches Inc. (15 total) Routes: S92,8A 2005 Gillig Phantom 35TB102: 5091-5096 [6] 2010 Orion 07.501: 1011-1015 [5] 2010 Orion 07.502: 1065 [1] 2010 Orion 07.503: 1078-1081 [4] Hampton Jitney (6 total) Routes: S94(Summer Only),10B,10C 2005 Gillig Phantom 35TB102: 5041-5042 [2] 2010 Orion 07.502 35ft: 1064 [1] 2010 Orion 07.503 30ft: 1074,1076-1077 [3] Total number of Suffolk Transit Buses: 149 * Twin Forks Transit is the contract holder, Sunrise Coach Lines and Hampton Jitney are the sub contractors as well as co-owners of the company. Official Retired Buses (Buses before 1981 were either brought used by the County or were owned by the Private companies and used on routes after the creation of Suffolk Transit) 1959 GM TDH5106: 617 [1] 19xx GM TDH4517: 330,340 [2] 19xx GM xxxxxxx: 92,395,421,435-436 [5] 1960 GM TDH4517: 420 [1] 1960 GM SDH5301: 101 [1] 1960 GM TDH5302: 371 [1] 1961 GM TDH4517: 106 [1] 1962 GM SDH4501: 1334 (Leased from New York Bus Service?) 1962 GM TDH5301: 409 [1] 1963 GM TDH4519: 527 [1] 1963 GM SDH4502: 102 [1] 1964 GM TDH4519: 837 [1] 1964 GM TDH5304: 158 [1] 1965 GM TDH4519: 292-294,840 [4] 1966 GM TDH4519: 108,111,700 [3] 1967 GM TDH4519: 104-105 [2] 1969 GMC T6H4521: 517,528 [2] 1973 GMC T6H4523A: 904,909,917,921,924 [5] 1974 GMC T6H4523A: 124 [1] 1975 Flxible 45096-6-1: 14-15,828-829,836 [5] 1981 New Flyer D901A-10235C: 108-115,119-120,550-557,800-806 (25) 1982 Gillig Phantom 3596TB: 5-13,(5,118-125),7-13,125-127,209,558-562,815-820 (31) 1982 Chance RT52: 1-4,4-6,20-22,113-117,121-124,210-214,807-814,810-812 (37) 1987 Gillig Phantom 35102TB: 701-702,8703-8704,710,8720-8733,740-742,750-760 (33) 1988 Chance RT52: 300-303,320-321,340-341,350-352,880-884 (16) 1991 Gillig Phantom 40102TB: 9100,910-917 [9] 1991 Gillig Phantom 35102TB: 9101-9108,920,930-934,940-941 (16) 1993 Flexible Metro D 30096-6T: 9301-9303,9311-9316,9321-9326,9331-9342 (27) 1996 Gillig Phantom 35102TB: 9600-9617,9620,9630-9636,9641-9655,9660-9661 (43) 1997 Gillig Phantom 3096TB: 9701-9702,9711-9714,9721-9726,9731-9734 (16) 1999 Orion 05.503: 9901-9907,9909-9912,9914,9916-9919,9921-9922,9924-9927,9930-9931,9934,9936-9938,9940-9942 (31) 2000 Gillig Phantom 35TB102 Suburban: 2002-2003 [2] 2005 Gillig Phantom 35TB102: 5059,5076,5081 [3] 2010 Orion 07.502: 1034,1054 [2] Total Number of Retired Suffolk Transit Buses: 330 Retired SCAT bus list (List in incomplete.) 1993 Unknown Ford E Series: xxxx-xxxx (2, Transferred to Suffolk County PD renumbered 29784-28785) 199x Coach and Equipment Metrolite Ford: 1909-1910 [2] 2000 Coach and Equipment Metrolite Ford E-450: 94xx,9414,9446,9494 [4] 2002 Coach and Equipment Metrolite Ford E-450: 2201-2218 [18] 2003 Coach and Equipment Metrolite Ford E-450: 2301-2315 (15) 2004 Coach and Equipment Metrolite Ford E-450: 2401-2405,2407-2425 [24] 2006 Coach and Equipment Metrolite Ford E450: 2500-2501,2503-2509,2511-2516 (15) 2007 Coach and Equipment Metrolite Ford E-450: 2701,2706-2707,2709-2710,2720,2722-2724,2726,27xx-27xx (12, 2724-27xx buses transferred to Suffolk County PD) 2008 Coach and Equipment Metrolite Ford E-450: 2804-2805,2815 [3] Total Number of Retired SCAT Buses: 96 Official Retired Routes List S71 (2001-2016) S35 (1981-2016) S90 (1981-2016) 1B (1981-2016) 5A (1981-2016) 7D/E (1981-1990,1992?-2016)* 10A (1981-1990,1992?-2016)* 10D/E (1981-1990,1992?-2016)* S74 (1981-1998) S21 (1981-1990) 1C (1981-1990) 9A (1981-1990) S64 (1981-1987?)+ +The Port Jefferson Station to Coram portion of the S64 was folded into the S60 Total Number of Retired Routes: 15 Official list of Former Operators CBS Lines, Inc (1989-2011) Inter-County Motor Coach (1977-2011) Coram Bus Service, Inc (1981-1989) The Blue Coach Lines (1981-????) Louis A. Fuoco Bus Service (1981-????) Babylon Transit (1981-????) Lindenhurst Bus Co, Inc (1981-????) Long Island Airport Service (????) Seashore Transit, Inc (1978) Alert Coach Lines (1977-1978,1981-1994) Four Season Bus Service/Holbrook Transportation (1975-1977) MSBA (1973-1975,1977-1981) Number of former operators: 12

Isn't RFID's only on Credit/Debit cards which are said are not accepted?

I don't think so. Nassau just doesn't seem to want to fund their system. Suffolk wants to, it's just that Suffolk County's budget(The whole County) didn't do well the last fiscal year because the sales tax had fallen due to the low gas prices at the time. Suffolk's budget is made up off the back of the Sales tax. So it the Sales tax is down then Suffolk won't have enough to use. Suffolk Transit budget is made up mostly from money from the County, then money from the State and Federal governments. The rest is made up from the revenue from the fares. So if the County's budget is down then they have less to give to Transit.

One of the companies by me is about $8 for one a trip one to the next town.

Really? Is that just for one person? That is a rip off than.

That is strange then, especially if you didn't see any other there at the same time as your bus. My only guess would be that EBT has the S27 driver's schedule different then how Suffolk Transit wrote the Schedule. Or maybe it was just the run you were on, IIRC someone once said, this was after EBT took over the ICMC routes I believe, that they had either taken the S27 from Hauppauge to Babylon or seen it come in, and that driver went on a break then pulled back up as either an S23 or S29 heading to Walt Whitman Mall. Maybe if there is some short of driver interline being done, it causes a run or two of the S27 to have to have a lay over in Hauppauge or end their run there while others don't?

Have you taken the S27 since EBT took over operation of it? I only ask because maybe that was how ICMC did it but maybe EBT does it differently.

There probably is no DH. Most likely the driver probably changes the sign either when they get to the North Complex or when they get to NYS 111 and Rabro. (Short of how it's said that the S69 driver changes the sign at Smith Haven Mall and SUNY Stony Brook Hospital even though it doesn't end at those locations)

I'd believe it is like a loop and that the last two stops northbound are at the same time the first two for the sounthbound run. The S76 is written similar, where the time for the first stop heading back to Port Jefferson is the same time as when the bus gets into Stony Brook from Port Jefferson, and I know that loops around without a break. The S33 is the same way as the S27. IIRC they weren't always like that, or at least the S33 wasn't. The S33 use to have a layover at Rabro/111 but then some years ago they changed it to how it operates today. I don't remember when they changed it exactly but I remember it was after 2000 because I have somewhere an old S33 schedule that showes the break.

The head of the DPW didn't explain how they got the 'Cost per Ride' in the memo that I saw, though what you said would add up to the passenger per ride total for the S71 in 2012. Driver pay at one company is most likely north of $14.01. Or at least their advertised starting pay is between $18.00 to $26.00.

It just said "Cost per ride" so I would assume that they mean each trip. No matter if passengers are on board or not. The System average cost per ride seems to be $7.73. However any cuts are based on the "Cost per Ride" as the DPW has shown with the October cuts.

Interesting fact, they may lack ridership but the 1A and S25 cost less then $14.01 to operate.

The routes that were cut had higher cost per run, based on older data I saw, then the $14.01 the S31 and others have. Had the October Cuts needed to be deeper the S31 would have been cut.

The S35 was cut in the October cuts so it shouldn't be a problem. You got around the existing route with using the S25. Though still different then the S20, as now you are talking about moving the end point of the route which is still different than the S20. This time you are going to need the passenger count to keep the cost per ride low. Based on the October cuts the Cost Per Ride limit is $14.01 which the S25 currently seems to have. By extended it for an unknown amount of ridership you risk that going up. If it does go up than you would defiantly need the money, and if you don't then you risk losing the route. Like I said you need the budget in order to pick up any service NICE will cut in Suffolk and as it stands it is unknown if its there. The S31 is one bad budget away from being eliminated. You would need the passenger count decent enough to lower the cost per ride below $14.01.

Or that SCT has the money to even do so to start with. Suffolk can't just throw money it may not have, everything depends on the income of the sales tax, to spend on replacing NICE service. I mean if the income form the sales tax has gone up to the levels it was before like it was said to be happening, and assuming that Suffolk were to budget the enough for Suffolk Transit as they did in the past, and not keep it as it currently is after the October cuts, then maybe there could be a chance. However if that were to happen and they didn't bring back any of the October cuts, then they would have to JUSTIFY how creating a route based on a segment of a route that NICE abandoned is more beneficial to the system then reinstating the routes that were cut or spending the money on other system improvements. Taken over part of the n72 is not the same as what SCT did with the S20 as the S20 is an established route that was already served two of the same destinations as the n19. With taken over a part of the n72 they would most likely have to create a whole new route which is completely different.

The S20 already severed the Sunrise Mall and Babylon Railroad station so extending a route was probably seen as something that was beneficial then "NICE didn't want that section of a route, lets us provide service just because it was in our county" which I took the original poster to mean. Also IIRC it was never officially said that the S20 extension was to 'Replace" the n19. (If it was please correct me, I also don't mean it as I'm saying it wasn't a replacement for the n19, just saying that if it wasn't officially said to be a replacement one could say that Suffolk could have always wanted the S20 to be the loop it is but just didn't do it since the n19 was there already) Also the S20 extension was probably done with money from the previous years budget where Suffolk Transit had the money to do such a thing. It the current budget, several months later, which had the shortfall that caused Suffolk Transit to cut the ten routes. 10 Routes that more likely to be revived then to add service that someone else dropped.

Suffolk already has two full time routes and one part time route that serve Farmingdale State College. S1, 2B, and S110 (Rush Hour). Not to mention the S31 (Rush Hour) which doesn't directly serve the college but travels near it. Why would they need to have another? Also Suffolk wouldn't probably have the money to add service, even if they did, they would, and riders would probably demand it, that the 10 routes that were cut back in October be reinstated before taken over any service NICE decides to cut.

As of 1/22/16 5053 is OOS since accident on 4/18/14 5076 is OOS after being involved in an accident 7/20/15 - Possibly retired? Para Transit bus 2807 is OOS with Extensive front end damage. 1010 is OOS due to an accident 9/30/15 5058 is OOS due to an accident on the LIE on 9/27/16 - Possibly retired? Para Transit bus 1205 is OOS due to an accident in Riverhead 11/4/16 1034 caught fire and is possibly retired. 5081 is OOS due to unkown accident and maybe retired. On Order 2017 Coach and Equitment MetroLite: Ford Ex50: 170x-1712 (Awaiting Delivery. Only ones seen so far) 201x New Flyer XDE40: 10 Buses (70xx-70xx?) 201x New Flyer XDE35: 20 Buses (70xx-70xx?) Option Orders 43 Buses of either XDE35 or XDE40 *2947-2948 transferred to Fix route for use on the 7A (2948 broke down and was replaced by 2947 for the rest of the week, unknown if 2948 was returned to SCAT service) *The 7D/E, 10A, and 10D/E were proposed to be cut in 1990. It is assumed they were cut because another route that was listed with them was mentioned as having been cut but restored a few years later. It is assumed that if they were indeed cut they were restored around or before 1993 as the routes were listed on the 1993 system wide bus map Suffolk Bus Corp (79 total - 58 buses needed weekday, 47 buses needed Saturday, 16 buses needed Sunday; 60 buses needed Summer weekdays, 49 buses needed Summer Saturdays, 18 buses needed Summer Sundays) Ronkonkoma Yard (37 Total) Routes: S56,S57,S58 (Sunday Only),S59,S60,S61,S63,S66,S68,S69 (Night Loop),S76,S110,3D (Sunday Only),6A,6B,7A,7B 1999 Orion 05.503: 9908,9932-9933,9935,9939 [5] 2000 Gillig Phantom 35TB102: 2000-2001,2005 [3] 2004 Coach and Equipment Metrolite Ford E450: 2402 2005 Gillig Phantom 35TB102: 5001-5003,5007,5011-5012,5015-5016,5054,5057,5072-5075,5078-5079 [16] 2009 Starcraft Starlite Ford E450: 2947-2948 [2] 2010 Orion 07.502: 1029,1032-1033,1035-1036,1038 [6] 2010 Orion 07.503: 1066-1070,1072,1075 [7] ----------------------------------------- 2007 Coach and Equipment Metro Lite Ford E-450: 2702-2705,2708-2719,2721,2725 (16) 2008 Coach and Equipment Metro Lite Ford : 2801-2803,2806,2808-2814,2816-2830 (26) 2009 Starcraft Starlite Ford E450: 2901-2946,2949-2951 (49) 2012 Coach and Equipment Metro Lite Ford: 1201-1204,1206-1222 (21) 2013 Coach and Equipment Metro Lite Ford:1301-1328 [28] 2014 Coach and Equipment Metro Lite Ford: 1401-1409 [9] 2015 Coach and Equipment Metro Lite Ford E350: 1501-1511,1513-1539 [38] Coram Yard (16 Total) Rotues: S58,S62 2000 Gillig Phantom 35TB102: 2004 [1] 2005 Gillig Phantom 35TB102: 5014,5059,5071,5077,5080 [5] 2010 Orion 07.502: 1031,1037,1057-1063 [9] 2010 Orion 07.503: 1073 [1] --------------------------------------------------------- 2013 Coach and Equipment Metro Lite Ford: 1329 [1] Bay Shore Yard (28 Total) Routes: S40,S42,S45,S47(Summer Only),3A,3B,3C,3D 1999 Orion 05.504: 9915,9920,9923,9928-9929 [5] 2005 Gillig Phantom 35TB102: 5004-5006,5008-5010,5013 [7] 2010 Orion 07.502 35ft: 1016-1030 (15) 2010 Orion 07.503 30ft: 1071 [1] ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ 2015 Coach and Equipment Metro Lite Ford E350: 1512 [1] EBT Inc (50 total- 36 buses needed weekday, 25 buses needed Saturday, 11 buses needed Sundays) Routes: S1,S20,S23,S25,S27,S29,S31,S33,S41,S54,1A,2A,2B 1999 Orion 05.503: 9913 [1] 2005 Coach and Equipment Metrolite: 2502 2005 Gillig Phantom 35TB102: 5021-5034,5051-5052,5055-5056,5060 (19) 2008 Gillig Advantage BRT Low Floor: 8001-8004 [4] 2010 Orion 07.501 40ft: 1001-1009 [9] 2010 Orion 07.502 35ft: 1039-1053,1055-1056 [17] Twin Forks Transit* (21 total - 16 buses needed weekday and Saturday, 7 buses needed Sundays; 17 buses needed Summer Weekdays and Saturdays) Sunrise Coaches Inc. (15 total) Routes: S92,8A 2005 Gillig Phantom 35TB102: 5091-5096 [6] 2010 Orion 07.501: 1011-1015 [5] 2010 Orion 07.502: 1065 [1] 2010 Orion 07.503: 1078-1081 [4] Hampton Jitney (6 total) Routes: S94(Summer Only),10B,10C 2005 Gillig Phantom 35TB102: 5041-5042 [2] 2010 Orion 07.502 35ft: 1064 [1] 2010 Orion 07.503 30ft: 1074,1076-1077 [3] Total number of Suffolk Transit Buses: 148 * Twin Forks Transit is the contract holder, Sunrise Coach Lines and Hampton Jitney are the sub contractors as well as co-owners of the company. Official Retired Buses (Buses before 1981 were either brought used by the County or were owned by the Private companies and used on routes after the creation of Suffolk Transit) 1959 GM TDH5106: 617 [1] 19xx GM TDH4517: 330,340 [2] 19xx GM xxxxxxx: 92,395,421,435-436 [5] 1960 GM TDH4517: 420 [1] 1960 GM SDH5301: 101 [1] 1960 GM TDH5302: 371 [1] 1961 GM TDH4517: 106 [1] 1962 GM SDH4501: 1334 (Leased from New York Bus Service?) 1962 GM TDH5301: 409 [1] 1963 GM TDH4519: 527 [1] 1963 GM SDH4502: 102 [1] 1964 GM TDH4519: 837 [1] 1964 GM TDH5304: 158 [1] 1965 GM TDH4519: 292-294,840 [4] 1966 GM TDH4519: 108,111,700 [3] 1967 GM TDH4519: 104-105 [2] 1969 GMC T6H4521: 517,528 [2] 1973 GMC T6H4523A: 904,909,917,921,924 [5] 1974 GMC T6H4523A: 124 [1] 1975 Flxible 45096-6-1: 14-15,828-829,836 [5] 1981 New Flyer D901A-10235C: 108-115,119-120,550-557,800-806 (25) 1982 Gillig Phantom 3596TB: 5-13,(5,118-125),7-13,125-127,209,558-562,815-820 (31) 1982 Chance RT52: 1-4,4-6,20-22,113-117,121-124,210-214,807-814,810-812 (37) 1987 Gillig Phantom 35102TB: 701-702,8703-8704,710,8720-8733,740-742,750-760 (33) 1988 Chance RT52: 300-303,320-321,340-341,350-352,880-884 (16) 1991 Gillig Phantom 40102TB: 9100,910-917 [9] 1991 Gillig Phantom 35102TB: 9101-9108,920,930-934,940-941 (16) 1993 Flexible Metro D 30096-6T: 9301-9303,9311-9316,9321-9326,9331-9342 (27) 1996 Gillig Phantom 35102TB: 9600-9617,9620,9630-9636,9641-9655,9660-9661 (43) 1997 Gillig Phantom 3096TB: 9701-9702,9711-9714,9721-9726,9731-9734 (16) 1999 Orion 05.503: 9901-9907,9909-9912,9914,9916-9919,9921-9922,9924-9927,9930-9931,9934,9936-9938,9940-9942 (31) 2000 Gillig Phantom 35TB102 Suburban: 2002-2003 [2] 2005 Gillig Phantom 35TB102: 5059,5076,5081 [3] 2010 Orion 07.502: 1034,1054 [2] Total Number of Retired Suffolk Transit Buses: 330 Retired SCAT bus list (List in incomplete.) 1993 Unknown Ford E Series: xxxx-xxxx (2, Transferred to Suffolk County PD renumbered 29784-28785) 199x Coach and Equipment Metrolite Ford: 1909-1910 [2] 2000 Coach and Equipment Metrolite Ford E-450: 94xx,9414,9446,9494 [4] 2002 Coach and Equipment Metrolite Ford E-450: 2201-2218 [18] 2003 Coach and Equipment Metrolite Ford E-450: 2301-2315 (15) 2004 Coach and Equipment Metrolite Ford E-450: 2401-2405,2407-2425 [24] 2006 Coach and Equipment Metrolite Ford E450: 2500-2501,2503-2509,2511-2516 (15) 2007 Coach and Equipment Metrolite Ford E-450: 2701,2706-2707,2709-2710,2720,2722-2724,2726,27xx-27xx (12, 2724-27xx buses transferred to Suffolk County PD) 2008 Coach and Equipment Metrolite Ford E-450: 2804-2805,2815 [3] Total Number of Retired SCAT Buses: 96 Official Retired Routes List S71 (2001-2016) S35 (1981-2016) S90 (1981-2016) 1B (1981-2016) 5A (1981-2016) 7D/E (1981-1990,1992?-2016)* 10A (1981-1990,1992?-2016)* 10D/E (1981-1990,1992?-2016)* S74 (1981-1998) S21 (1981-1990) 1C (1981-1990) 9A (1981-1990) S64 (1981-1987?)+ +The Port Jefferson Station to Coram portion of the S64 was folded into the S60 Total Number of Retired Routes: 15 Official list of Former Operators CBS Lines, Inc (1989-2011) Inter-County Motor Coach (1977-2011) Coram Bus Service, Inc (1981-1989) The Blue Coach Lines (1981-????) Louis A. Fuoco Bus Service (1981-????) Babylon Transit (1981-????) Lindenhurst Bus Co, Inc (1981-????) Long Island Airport Service (????) Seashore Transit, Inc (1978) Alert Coach Lines (1977-1978,1981-1994) Four Season Bus Service/Holbrook Transportation (1975-1977) MSBA (1973-1975,1977-1981) Number of former operators: 12

Yep thats the Ronkonkoma yard. Also it seems recent, seen except for a few minor details, it matches what I heard. Also disregard what I said in my last post, it was the wrong 99xx that was talked about.

Was it a recent photo? If so then that's good news, better then what someone I know had been thinking.

I believe there are parts of the system that are fine and other parts that could probably use some modification.

The reason why they picked the S57 and not the S59 is something I think we will never know.