official Subway - What If?

[FamousNYLover]

Sorry, M104 is not affected by 34th St collasped.

[Threxx]

New scenario:

 

Because of construction northward on the & , and a problem at 42nd Street, neither line can use their northern terminal or 42nd Street. Only worry about the & .

Edited July 8, 2012 by ThrexxBus

[Threxx]

Also, as a note, the & are 12 TPH, not 15. The 6th & 8th Avenue locals would be too frequent.

[Gorgor]

New scenario:

 

Because of construction northward on the & , and a problem at 42nd Street, neither line can use their northern terminal or 42nd Street. Only worry about the & .

 

 

terminates at Dyckman Street

terminates at 238th Street

 

runs via local between Canal and Columbus Circle

runs express between 34th and 72nd uptown, and 96th and 34th downtown

 

trains run between 34th and Brooklyn

[Brighton Express]

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Due to work on the SB Broadway Express (57 St-Canal St), and on the Manhattan Bridge SB, trains must be rerouted. Here's the catch; Only 2 lines can use the Broadway Local. Reroute away.

[Astoria Line]

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Due to work on the SB Broadway Express (57 St-Canal St), and on the Manhattan Bridge SB, trains must be rerouted. Here's the catch; Only 2 lines can use the Broadway Local. Reroute away.

 

runs between Coney and Prospect Park

unchanged

Broadway Local via Whitehall

suspended

runs in two sections :

Grand - Norwood

36 St - Coney Island (as you said the SB Manhattan Bridge)

[Brighton Express]

runs between Coney and Prospect Park

unchanged

Broadway Local via Whitehall

suspended

runs in two sections :

Grand - Norwood

36 St - Coney Island (as you said the SB Manhattan Bridge)

 

Acceptable. I am sorry that I did not say Broadway SB Side of the Manhattan Bridge though.

[Astoria Line]

Acceptable. I am sorry that I did not say Broadway SB Side of the Manhattan Bridge though.

 

Good. Then it'll be basically what I put minus the B/D...

Edited July 8, 2012 by MTAFanBoy512

[Wallyhorse]

Due to work on the SB Broadway Express (57 St-Canal St), and on the Manhattan Bridge SB, trains must be rerouted. Here's the catch; Only 2 lines can use the Broadway Local. Reroute away.

 

Here goes:

 

runs 24/7 and replaces the as the Brighton local to Coney Island.

 

Nights Only: terminates at Columbus Circle on the express tracks.

stops at 72nd Street-Central Park West and then runs express via regular route.

 

and are local in both directions in Manhattan and operate via the tunnel at all times.

is suspended

 

Special single track shuttle train operates on the northbound express track between Canal Street-Broadway and 34th Street.

[NX Express]

Also, as a note, the & are 12 TPH, not 15. The 6th & 8th Avenue locals would be too frequent.

 

 

The schedule says they're both "every 4-6 minutes". That would imply that at the peak, each is every 4 minutes, or 15tph.

How would the locals be too frequent? 25tph ( + ) or 21tph ( + ) isn't that frequent.

 

Since, nobody has posted a scenario,

 

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A washout makes the area near Chambers St. trains cannot use City Hall/Chambers St/WTC stations.

[TrainFanInfinity]

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A washout makes the area near Chambers St. trains cannot use City Hall/Chambers St/WTC stations.

 

 

Rerouted via between West 4 Street and Jay Street.

Local between 59 Street and West 4 Street.

Terminates at 34 Street, via express tracks.

via Bridge.

 

NEXT:

The Queens Blvd Line is shut down for emergency repairs. You can't terminate trains at Queens Plaza.

Lines affected:

 

At the same time, there is a manhole explosion, and trains cannot pass 52 Street, between 7th Ave and 5th Ave.

Lines affected:

[Threxx]

NEXT:

The Queens Blvd Line is shut down for emergency repairs. You can't terminate trains at Queens Plaza.

Lines affected:

 

At the same time, there is a manhole explosion, and trains cannot pass 52 Street, between 7th Ave and 5th Ave.

Lines affected:

 

 

*rage quit*

[VWM]

NEXT:

The Queens Blvd Line is shut down for emergency repairs. You can't terminate trains at Queens Plaza.

Lines affected:

 

At the same time, there is a manhole explosion, and trains cannot pass 52 Street, between 7th Ave and 5th Ave.

Lines affected:

 

[Gorgor]

NEXT:

The Queens Blvd Line is shut down for emergency repairs. You can't terminate trains at Queens Plaza.

Lines affected:

 

At the same time, there is a manhole explosion, and trains cannot pass 52 Street, between 7th Ave and 5th Ave.

Lines affected:

 

 

suspended

suspended

 

northern terminal is Times Square

shuttle runs between 57th/7th and Astoria

 

runs in 2 sections: The Bronx to 2nd Avenue - W 4th Street to Brooklyn

northern terminal is 42nd Street

northern terminal is 21st Street-Queensbridge

 

And screw delays. At times like this you just want to successfully transport people to where they need to go.

 

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The entire upper level of 50th Street station on 8th Avenue is impassible. This affects the , but the is fine.

Edited July 9, 2012 by Gorgor

[Wallyhorse]

A washout makes the area near Chambers St. A/C/E/N/R trains cannot use City Hall/Chambers St/WTC stations.

 

runs via the to West 4th and via the to Jay Street.

is suspended

runs via the West 4th-Jay Street

runs normal

runs on the express track to and terminates at 34th Street-Penn Station (LIMITED express service operates to 14th Street-8th Avenue and terminates there)

 

is re-routed to 95th Street-Bay Ridge to replace the in Brooklyn.

runs normal service via bridge

runs to Canal Street only. For Lower Manhattan and Downtown Brooklyn, transfer at Canal for (or for lower Manhattan stations) OR for Dekalb Avenue and points further south in Brooklyn, take via bridge to DeKalb and take as needed.

[Wallyhorse]

The Queens Blvd Line is shut down for emergency repairs. You can't terminate trains at Queens Plaza.

 

At the same time, there is a manhole explosion, and trains cannot pass 52 Street, between 7th Ave and 5th Ave.

 

Special Shuttle operates between Court Square (23-Ely), Queens and 53rd-Lexington Avenue, Manhattan

 

runs local between Chambers Street and 59th Street-Columbus Circle

 

is suspended

 

runs from Euclid Avenue-Brooklyn to 34th Street-Penn Station ONLY, skipping Spring and 23rd Street.

 

runs in two sections:

207th Street-Columbus Circle, Manhattan

42nd Street-6th Avenue, Manhattan to Coney Island, Brooklyn

 

is suspended

 

runs in two sections:

179th Street, Queens to 57th Street-6th Avenue, Manhattan

42nd Street-6th Avenue, Manhattan to Coney Island

 

and are extended via the Brighton Line to Coney Island via the Montauge Street Tunnel to replace the in Brooklyn to Brighton Beach

 

runs normal service to West 4th and replaces the as a local between West 4th and 168th Street (and the as a local on Central Park West).

 

runs in two sections:

Ditmars Boulevard-Astoria to 57th Street-7th Avenue

Times Square-Coney Island

 

runs as a five-car, 300' train between Coney Island and the Botanic Garden station, terminating on the Prospect Park-bound platform.

 

runs in two sections:

Jamaica Center (replacing the between Jamaica Center-71st/Continental), Queens to 57th Street-7th Avenue, Manhattan via 63rd Street tunnel (stopping at 63rd Street on Lexington Avenue)

Times Square, Manhattan to 95th Street, Brooklyn

 

Franklin Avenue runs as a single train on the Franklin Avenue-bound track in both directions between Botanic Garden and Franklin Avenue.

Edited July 9, 2012 by Wallyhorse

[VWM]

suspended

suspended

 

northern terminal is Times Square

shuttle runs between 57th/7th and Astoria

 

runs in 2 sections: The Bronx to 2nd Avenue - W 4th Street to Brooklyn

northern terminal is 42nd Street

northern terminal is 21st Street-Queensbridge

 

And screw delays. At times like this you just want to successfully transport people to where they need to go.

 

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NEXT:

The entire upper level of 50th Street station on 8th Avenue is impassible. This affects the , but the is fine.

 

via 6 Ave Local

via 6 Ave Local

Myrtle Shuttleified

[Gorgor]

is re-routed to 95th Street-Bay Ridge to replace the in Brooklyn.

 

 

 

 

and are extended via the Brighton Line to Coney Island via the Montauge Street Tunnel to replace the in Brooklyn to Brighton Beach

 

runs normal service to West 4th and replaces the as a local between West 4th and 168th Street (and the as a local on Central Park West).

 

 

 

 

(This is a meme for those who don't know)

Edited July 9, 2012 by Gorgor

[Wallyhorse]

The entire upper level of 50th Street station on 8th Avenue is impassible. This affects the , but the is fine.

 

operates via the to West 4th and to Jay Street. For Chambers-WTC, transfer to the at 7th Avenue.

operates seven days a week and replaces the on weekends along Central Park West.

operates from Chambers Street platform to Euclid Avenue, including overnights during this time. Overnights, is extended to Lefferts Boulevard, replacing the overnight shuttle during this emergency.

 

All other service runs normal.

 

Next:

 

Due to a problem at the south end of Whitehall Street, the train entrance to the Montauge Street tunnel is unusable and trains can only use the middle track to change over and can not have passengers in the station. This does not affect the Nassau Street line, which CAN use the tunnel.

 

Also, at the same time, a water main break at West Broadway and Canal Street makes both the 7th and 8th Avenue lines unusable in the area.

Edited July 9, 2012 by Wallyhorse

[Gorgor]

Next:

 

Due to a problem at the south end of Whitehall Street, the train entrance to the Montauge Street tunnel is unusable and trains can only use the middle track to change over and can not have passengers in the station. This does not affect the Nassau Street line, which CAN use the tunnel.

 

Also, at the same time, a water main break at West Broadway and Canal Street makes both the 7th and 8th Avenue lines unusable in the area.

 

 

I approve of you solution, although there's no need extend the to Lefferts because that area is completely unaffected.

 

Now my solution for your scenario:

runs in 2 sections: Queens to Whitehall Street - Jay Street to Bay Ridge

 

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The lower levels of both 7th Avenue and 5th Avenue are impassible.

 

Lower level of 7th Avenue = NORTHBOUND B/D and QUEENSBOUND E

Lower level of 5th Avenue = QUEENSBOUND E/M

[Threxx]

Next:

 

Due to a problem at the south end of Whitehall Street, the train entrance to the Montauge Street tunnel is unusable and trains can only use the middle track to change over and can not have passengers in the station. This does not affect the Nassau Street line, which CAN use the tunnel.

 

Also, at the same time, a water main break at West Broadway and Canal Street makes both the 7th and 8th Avenue lines unusable in the area.

 

 

If you want us to extend (J)/(Z) service to 95th Street, then hell no, that ain't happenning.

 

: Via bridge, use nearby stations for service.

 

______________

 

: Terminates at 14th Street, express 14th-34th Street. For local service use single tracking shuttle b/w 42nd Street & 14th Street.

: 42nd Street-241st Street

: Suspended, use & free shuttle buses for service.

 

: 34th Street-207th Street & Jay Street-Queens

: To Second Avenue with reduced TPH

: 34th Street-Queens

[BM5 via Woodhaven]

Next: There is a sinkhole from 33 to 38 streets from Lexington to 7 th Avenue, Reroute everything, even buses

[TheSubwayStation]

Next: There is a sinkhole from 33 to 38 streets from Lexington to 7 th Avenue, Reroute everything, even buses

 

 

Okay, I don't feel like doing the buses...But trains:

 

Coney Island - W 4 St

runs in two sections; 205 St - 2 Av station via 8 Av local, Coney Island - W 4 St

runs in two sections; Jamaica-179 St - 47-50 Sts, Coney Island - Delancey St

runs via 8 Av local

 

runs via 8 Av express

 

242 St - 96 St; trains skip 103 St, 110 St, 116 St, and 125 St.

241 St - 96 St

148 St - 96 St

 

single-track shuttle trains run between 96 St and 59 St-Columbus Circle (for transfer to )

 

runs in two sections; New Lots Av - Brooklyn Bridge, local between Utica Av and Atlantic Av, Woodlawn - Grand Central-42 St (uptown trains run local from Grand Central-42 St to 125 St)

Dyre Av - 125 St

Pelham Bay Park - Grand Central-42 St

 

runs in two sections; Coney Island - Atlantic Av, Astoria-Ditmars Blvd - 57 St/7 Av

suspended

runs in two sections; 95 St - Whitehall St, 71 Av - 57 St/7 Av

 

special single-track shuttle trains run between Canal St and 28 St

 

Whew! That was hard.

Edited July 9, 2012 by TheSubwayStation

[Brooklyn]

Next: There is a sinkhole from 33 to 38 streets from Lexington to 7 th Avenue, Reroute everything, even buses

 

 

 

Oh wow! I guess this means 8th av will be EXTREMELY BUSY. Good scheduling and signaling will be VITAL.

 

Same

 

suspended.

 

via 8th av (express) will run as Brighton Local to Coney Island, replacing the . Will resume local after 59th st.

 

via 8th av (express). Will run as 4th av express to Coney Island.

 

Both trains switch at West 4th st.

 

extended to Euclid Av, local replacing the .

 

8th Av local. Switches at W4th st and goes to Queens via 53st (along ).

 

So yes, this means 3 express trains from w4th st to 59th st. Gonna be problematic, and slow, but it has to happen.

 

*****As an alternative, suspend theE and have either the R or G go to Jamaica Center..they can transfer to the for express service. You can now have the B run local over 8th av. The A will then have to run local in Brooklyn.

 

There will be a special that goes from 42st (6th av line) through the 63st tunnel to Queensbridge and Roosevelt Island

 

Continental AV- Church Av to help out Queens BLVD.

 

extended to Bay Ridge to replace (like after 2001), all local. Either that or have a brown M train.

 

same--gonna be CRUSH LOADED with people making transfers.

 

14th st-Metropolitan AV

 

Astoria-Times Square, 14th st-Coney Island, local via Whitehall

 

(Q)Suspended

 

71 Continental-Times Square, local, with increased service.

 

42nd St shuttle will run 24/7 (3-4 minute intervals)

 

 

242-42st local and 14th st-South Ferry local

 

241 st-42 st local and Brooklyn College-14 st local.

 

suspended

 

Woodlawn-Grand Central-local, New Lots-Union Square, local.

 

241 st/Dyre-Grand Central-express

 

(6)Pelham Bay -42nd st-local

 

extra service.

 

I thought about this deeply and wanted to minimize service interuptions as much as possible.

 

Didn't do bus service.

Edited July 9, 2012 by Brooklyn

[Threxx]

Next scenario: Because some guy threw a computer table onto the tracks in a fit of rage, the , , , , , , & lines cannot use West 4th Street on either level because of the ongoing psychiatric evaluation. No trains can enter the station, and switches north or south of the station cannot be used as it would cause too much noise. Reroute away.