qjtransitmaster Posted January 13, 2012 Share #26 Posted January 13, 2012 Geez... didn't you read my post in the other thread... I already answered your question. The Q94 would run via the Q44 from Flushing to West Farms Square, and via the Bx9 from West Farms Square to Fordham Plaza. sorry man never saw it thanks anyway Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Q43LTD Posted January 13, 2012 Share #27 Posted January 13, 2012 Wadn't referring to an official proposal (at least, I wasn't).... just the Q7/111 ones presented by certain people on the forums in the past..... Thanks for clearing that up. I don't know why some people would propose the (Q7) or the (Q111) to Green Acres. Especially since there's no alternative to replace their respective paths. All that just to get through service on the Conduit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joel Up Front Posted January 13, 2012 Share #28 Posted January 13, 2012 Well then a ton of buses must've gone missing if you were waiting for 3 hours, because it's supposed to run every 5-8 minutes at that time (unless I'm misunderstanding your post) http://mta.info/nyct/bus/schedule/queens/q027cur.pdf Unless you're referring to the fact that only a few of the local buses go past the HHE. The local thing was exactly it. I had to go to my dentist one time and I tried to swing around the southern portion of Queens for LIB, but then I gave up considering the only buses that go to Cambria Heights were Limited and the nearest stop to the Clearview Expressway was Bell Boulevard. I said, "**** it" and took a Q31 to Jamaica for the LIRR. While I was waiting, a Q27 to Cambria Heights (the last local before 9:00 PM) flagged me when the bus wasn't even half full... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DevilBus65 Posted January 13, 2012 Share #29 Posted January 13, 2012 Ah the Q27,used to take it back and forth to from 211th st to Main St and to Cardozo. Sometimes we took it all the way to the end so we could go to the porno theater on Jamaica ave. Now it goes all the way to the ass-end of Queens. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoSpectacular Posted January 13, 2012 Share #30 Posted January 13, 2012 Ah the Q27,used to take it back and forth to from 211th st to Main St and to Cardozo. Sometimes we took it all the way to the end so we could go to the porno theater on Jamaica ave. Now it goes all the way to the ass-end of Queens. Lmao porn theater. Most of the buses still end at Jamaica Ave if anything, but Cambria Heights, jeez Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qjtransitmaster Posted January 14, 2012 Share #31 Posted January 14, 2012 Thanks for clearing that up. I don't know why some people would propose the (Q7) or the (Q111) to Green Acres. Especially since there's no alternative to replace their respective paths. All that just to get through service on the Conduit Q37 might be better for this due to it's terminus. Or N8 extension but just my takes not very sure I personally think it should be a LIRR line Or LRT from LI to bay ridge via JFK and along the belt with major bus connections along the way. But just my takes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Q43LTD Posted January 14, 2012 Share #32 Posted January 14, 2012 Q37 might be better for this due to it's terminus. Or N8 extension but just my takes not very sure I personally think it should be a LIRR line Or LRT from LI to bay ridge via JFK and along the belt with major bus connections along the way. But just my takes. I'd rather leave the (Q37) alone. Plus no one in Bay Ridge is looking for direct access to LI Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
via White Plains Road Posted January 14, 2012 Share #33 Posted January 14, 2012 I'd rather leave the (Q37) alone. Plus no one in Bay Ridge is looking for direct access to LI Thank you and agreed! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qjtransitmaster Posted January 14, 2012 Share #34 Posted January 14, 2012 I'd rather leave the (Q37) alone. Plus no one in Bay Ridge is looking for direct access to LI[/QUOTE] Wouldn't know but it would get ppl to JFK faster and create connections with buses at major exits while decreasing travel time. It's multi-purpose and intended to link the network better. Besides you have to drive the belt to get an idea of where those folk are heading to cause you will be surprised where they are trying to get to. just my takes carry on That is not the only function of this line. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Q43LTD Posted January 14, 2012 Share #35 Posted January 14, 2012 Wouldn't know but it would get ppl to JFK faster and create connections with buses at major exits while decreasing travel time. It's multi-purpose and intended to link the network better. Besides you have to drive the belt to get an idea of where those folk are heading to cause you will be surprised where they are trying to get to. just my takes carry on No bus should on the Belt for that long period of time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qjtransitmaster Posted January 14, 2012 Share #36 Posted January 14, 2012 No bus should on the Belt for that long period of time. I never said a bus over the belt at all in my statement where did that come from. However not refuting that fact but I never said anything about bus in my last statements now did I. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B35 via Church Posted January 14, 2012 Share #37 Posted January 14, 2012 Thanks for clearing that up. I don't know why some people would propose the (Q7) or the (Q111) to Green Acres. Especially since there's no alternative to replace their respective paths. All that just to get through service on the Conduit Wanting to extend the Q111 there I never understood.... Wanting to extend the Q7 is because it serves an unpopular sector of JFK.... Personally, I would have the Q7 terminate at Rochdale (loop around it like the express bus does) Have Q3's loop around the cargo plaza en route to terminal 4.... Split the Q6 b/w the JFK postal fac. & the cargo plaza.... Alter the Q40 to serve that pocket binding N. conduit, 143rd-150th, and rockaway blvd... To me, that's a little more viable than sending Q7's all the way out to green acres.... Regardless, I agree with you though.... all that for bus service along the conduits iddn't worth it..... Q37 might be better for this due to it's terminus. The Q37 is a "coverage" route that gets more riders than most might think... It's there for those that aren't as close to the Q10; some will even tell you it's an alternative.... I'm not convinced riders of that route even want service to green acres anyway.... demand plays a factor in route extensions as well.... Extending that to green acres (just because it terminates around the conduits) doesn't mean it'd be better for the route.... Outside of the Union Tpke subway station, it now serving the resorts casino is all it needs, as far as another ridership generator is concerned.... It being so close to its "core" route, is a plus..... You cannot say the same for the Q37 & green acres..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qjtransitmaster Posted January 14, 2012 Share #38 Posted January 14, 2012 Wanting to extend the Q111 there I never understood.... Wanting to extend the Q7 is because it serves an unpopular sector of JFK.... Personally, I would have the Q7 terminate at Rochdale (loop around it like the express bus does) Have Q3's loop around the cargo plaza en route to terminal 4.... Split the Q6 b/w the JFK postal fac. & the cargo plaza.... Alter the Q40 to serve that pocket binding N. conduit, 143rd-150th, and rockaway blvd... To me, that's a little more viable than sending Q7's all the way out to green acres.... Regardless, I agree with you though.... all that for bus service along the conduits iddn't worth it..... The Q37 is a "coverage" route that gets more riders than most might think... It's there for those that aren't as close to the Q10; some will even tell you it's an alternative.... I'm not convinced riders of that route even want service to green acres anyway.... demand plays a factor in route extensions as well.... Extending that to green acres (just because it terminates around the conduits) doesn't mean it'd be better for the route.... Outside of the Union Tpke subway station, it now serving the resorts casino is all it needs, as far as another ridership generator is concerned.... It being so close to its "core" route, is a plus..... You cannot say the same for the Q37 & green acres..... I meant that it made more sense than extending the Q111 cause it gains additional riders from connecting lines thus making the extension worth it. Also has ability if it times with NICE well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
N6 Limited Posted January 14, 2012 Author Share #39 Posted January 14, 2012 I'd rather leave the (Q37) alone. Plus no one in Bay Ridge is looking for direct access to LI[/QUOTE] Wouldn't know but it would get ppl to JFK faster and create connections with buses at major exits while decreasing travel time. It's multi-purpose and intended to link the network better. Besides you have to drive the belt to get an idea of where those folk are heading to cause you will be surprised where they are trying to get to. just my takes carry on That is not the only function of this line. What is your idea of where those folk are headed to? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gotham Bus Co. Posted January 14, 2012 Share #40 Posted January 14, 2012 There WAS (and still might be on the table) a proposal to extend the Q27 to Merrick Blvd The Q27 did end at 136th Avenue (two long blocks past Merrick) for a few months in 1957. The plan to re-extend it was part of Transit's "Service Enhancement Program" which ended up not happening. Even though the Q27 is already 10 miles from end to end, I still agree with the extension idea, except that the southern terminal should be at Rochdale Village. Here's my thinking... Split the Q27 into two routes. The east-west component (keeping the Q27 number) would run from Downtown Flushing to the former Q75 terminal at 230th Street & 69th Avenue, via QCC when appropriate. The north-south component would be a "Springfield Crosstown" from Rochdale Village to either QCC (during school hours) or Springfield & Horace Harding. Later on, it could be extended to Bay Terrace. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Q43LTD Posted January 14, 2012 Share #41 Posted January 14, 2012 Wouldn't know but it would get ppl to JFK faster and create connections with buses at major exits while decreasing travel time. It's multi-purpose and intended to link the network better. Besides you have to drive the belt to get an idea of where those folk are heading to cause you will be surprised where they are trying to get to. just my takes carry on Where are those people driving the Belt trying to get to? Wanting to extend the Q111 there I never understood.... Wanting to extend the Q7 is because it serves an unpopular sector of JFK.... Personally, I would have the Q7 terminate at Rochdale (loop around it like the express bus does) Have Q3's loop around the cargo plaza en route to terminal 4.... Split the Q6 b/w the JFK postal fac. & the cargo plaza.... Alter the Q40 to serve that pocket binding N. conduit, 143rd-150th, and rockaway blvd... To me, that's a little more viable than sending Q7's all the way out to green acres.... Regardless, I agree with you though.... all that for bus service along the conduits iddn't worth it..... The Q37 is a "coverage" route that gets more riders than most might think... It's there for those that aren't as close to the Q10; some will even tell you it's an alternative.... I'm not convinced riders of that route even want service to green acres anyway.... demand plays a factor in route extensions as well.... Extending that to green acres (just because it terminates around the conduits) doesn't mean it'd be better for the route.... Outside of the Union Tpke subway station, it now serving the resorts casino is all it needs, as far as another ridership generator is concerned.... It being so close to its "core" route, is a plus..... You cannot say the same for the Q37 & green acres..... There's a problem with that bolded statement. 143 St ends at 135 Av. The (Q7) serving Rochdale? IDK man. I don't think Rochdale residents are clamoring for access to Brooklyn I meant that it made more sense than extending the Q111 cause it gains additional riders from connecting lines thus making the extension worth it. Also has ability if it times with NICE well. What are those riders along 147 gonna do? Leave my bus alone What is your idea of where those folk are headed to? Ask Mr QJT that question Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B35 via Church Posted January 14, 2012 Share #42 Posted January 14, 2012 There's a problem with that bolded statement. 143 St ends at 135 Av. The Q7 serving Rochdale? IDK man. I don't think Rochdale residents are clamoring for access to Brooklyn - Q40 thing... yeah, I know the streets run funny down there.... that's why I said alter the route to serve that area/pocket.... it wasn't an exact routing I posted earlier... - Q7 thing.... you wouldn't have known this, but I'd cut the Q7 back to Rockaway blvd .... so service to Brooklyn has nothin to do with why I'd send the route to Rochdale... I only have it ending there b/c there's no where around Merrick to terminate a bus..... Overall point (behind it) being, SE Queens could benefit from *some* east-west type routing, more than it needs a route carrying passengers to/from Brooklyn from/to the train station @ rockaway blvd.... It's an attempt at fixing/completing the network, so to speak.... Q7 as you know, crawls along Rockaway blvd, so the thought process is let it stay w/i Queens.... come to think of it, what I'm suggesting would end up saving mileage on that route (not by much, but still).... A linden blvd route would be another way to go about it... but personally, I wouldn't bother with that, just based on how poorly the 9a/89 performed.... well that, and linden blvd (east, of merrick) doesn't need another route along it.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Q43LTD Posted January 14, 2012 Share #43 Posted January 14, 2012 - Q7 thing.... you wouldn't have known this, but I'd cut the Q7 back to Rockaway blvd .... so service to Brooklyn has nothin to do with why I'd send the route to Rochdale... I only have it ending there b/c there's no where around Merrick to terminate a bus..... Overall point (behind it) being, SE Queens could benefit from *some* east-west type routing, more than it needs a route carrying passengers to/from Brooklyn from/to the train station @ rockaway blvd.... It's an attempt at fixing/completing the network, so to speak.... Q7 as you know, crawls along Rockaway blvd, so the thought process is let it stay w/i Queens.... come to think of it, what I'm suggesting would end up saving mileage on that route (not by much, but still).... A linden blvd route would be another way to go about it... but personally, I wouldn't bother with that, just based on how poorly the 9a/89 performed.... well that, and linden blvd (east, of merrick) doesn't need another route along it.... Yes definitely there needs to be route to connect SW Queens and SE Queens. The only two corridors I can think of are Linden and the Conduits. Whenever I create a new route, I always try to get it to connect with various bus routes and a subway station. The (Q7) not serving Brooklyn anymore? What will those riders on Pitkin west of Cross Bay do? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B35 via Church Posted January 15, 2012 Share #44 Posted January 15, 2012 Yes definitely there needs to be route to connect SW Queens and SE Queens. The only two corridors I can think of are Linden and the Conduits. Whenever I create a new route, I always try to get it to connect with various bus routes and a subway station. The (Q7) not serving Brooklyn anymore? What will those riders on Pitkin west of Cross Bay do? Same here (about the new route criterion).... ....and lol... I didn't wanna steer this thread too far OT, but to answer your question, I would send the B14 there. No doubt, that would be too many riders to leave w/o any bus service.... B14 to the postal facility is rather redundant; EB service @ crescent is where it dies out... It was like that when it used to terminate on drew/linden, and it's like that now, now that it's been moved a few blocks south.... Out in ENY along linden blvd where folks pile on, it's all about the 13 & the 15... the 14 & the 20 are 2nd fiddle.... Moving the B14 to rockaway blvd gives it an entirely separate importance east of the city line area.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qjtransitmaster Posted January 15, 2012 Share #45 Posted January 15, 2012 Same here (about the new route criterion).... ....and lol... I didn't wanna steer this thread too far OT, but to answer your question, I would send the B14 there. No doubt, that would be too many riders to leave w/o any bus service.... B14 to the postal facility is rather redundant; EB service @ crescent is where it dies out... It was like that when it used to terminate on drew/linden, and it's like that now, now that it's been moved a few blocks south.... Out in ENY along linden blvd where folks pile on, it's all about the 13 & the 15... the 14 & the 20 are 2nd fiddle.... Moving the B14 to rockaway blvd gives it an entirely separate importance east of the city line area.... But that would add too much milage to the B14 and make it look like an indirect duplicate to the . Pitkin will slow it down making the extension counterproductive. Where are those people driving the Belt trying to get to? There's a problem with that bolded statement. 143 St ends at 135 Av. The (Q7) serving Rochdale? IDK man. I don't think Rochdale residents are clamoring for access to Brooklyn What are those riders along 147 gonna do? Leave my bus alone Ask Mr QJT that question I said Q37 extension was better than Q111 so yes leaving the Q111 is a good idea. What is your idea of where those folk are headed to? Glad you asked look at the belt's exits and the bus routes at those exits I will tell you. The ppl are heading to these places they are gateway mall at that place connections to B83 for penn ave service and other gateway buses are available. Then canarsie peir for the B42 and other canarsie area lines and flatbush ave for Q35 to many places and several lines at kings plaza = several places one can go via transit if there was a connecting rail line by the belt. Then sheepshead bay for B4/44 and access to the ( subway then again to ceasar's bay for B6 and other lines and finally Bay ridge for S53 and S79 and and if merged with the north shore rail additional possibilities(however I doubt that would be nessesary) Many places ppl are trying to reach on the belt. Also the nets stadium would force the need for a sea beach express OR west end express service to be implemented via express. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Q43LTD Posted January 15, 2012 Share #46 Posted January 15, 2012 Same here (about the new route criterion).... ....and lol... I didn't wanna steer this thread too far OT, but to answer your question, I would send the B14 there. No doubt, that would be too many riders to leave w/o any bus service.... B14 to the postal facility is rather redundant; EB service @ crescent is where it dies out... It was like that when it used to terminate on drew/linden, and it's like that now, now that it's been moved a few blocks south.... Out in ENY along linden blvd where folks pile on, it's all about the 13 & the 15... the 14 & the 20 are 2nd fiddle.... Moving the B14 to rockaway blvd gives it an entirely separate importance east of the city line area.... The (B14) to Queens? I like that. Better than my (Q7) to Postal Facility Glad you asked look at the belt's exits and the bus routes at those exits I will tell you. The ppl are heading to these places they are gateway mall at that place connections to B83 for penn ave service and other gateway buses are available. Then canarsie peir for the B42 and other canarsie area lines and flatbush ave for Q35 to many places and several lines at kings plaza = several places one can go via transit if there was a connecting rail line by the belt. Then sheepshead bay for B4/44 and access to the ( subway then again to ceasar's bay for B6 and other lines and finally Bay ridge for S53 and S79 and and if merged with the north shore rail additional possibilities(however I doubt that would be nessesary) Many places ppl are trying to reach on the belt. Also the nets stadium would force the need for a sea beach express OR west end express service to be implemented via express. I don't think the new Nets arena will warrant any West End or Sea Beach express service. There's not enough money to build rail service by the Belt. Can we go back to the (Q27) please? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B35 via Church Posted January 15, 2012 Share #47 Posted January 15, 2012 But that would add too much milage to the B14 and make it look like an indirect duplicate to the A. Pitkin will slow it down making the extension counterproductive. The current route "looks like an indirect duplicate to the A"... What are you talking about... and too much mileage? clearly you've never taken the B14..... The B14 to Queens? I like that. Better than my Q7 to Postal Facility :tup: Can we go back to the Q27 please? This. and while we're back on the subject.... Split the Q27 into two routes. The east-west component (keeping the Q27 number) would run from Downtown Flushing to the former Q75 terminal at 230th Street & 69th Avenue, via QCC when appropriate. The north-south component would be a "Springfield Crosstown" from Rochdale Village to either QCC (during school hours) or Springfield & Horace Harding. Later on, it could be extended to Bay Terrace. didn't see this initially.... I disapprove of any plan that involves splitting the Q27... For one, it goes back to what Q43LTD was sayin about having a route serve at least one subway station... Your "springfield crosstown" wouldn't even do that.... Two, I'm not sure why you think Oakland Gdns. would favor the over the Jamaica subway lines (which to me, is what that's implicating).... those buses you'd have headin over to 230th are gonna end up tanking @ Horace Harding anyway..... Three, as far as that north/south split, QCC itself wouldn't be enough of a ridership generator, nor would rochdale, nor would any one particular point along such a route.... you'd be banking on the majority of the ridership coming off other buses (which is one reason why the old 89 was one big cup of fail)... anyway, for oakland gdns.... just revive the 75 & run it down springfield, across union tpke, and down homelawn (instead of on 73rd & on 188th) en route to 165th st term. as far as service b/w flushing & QCC, that's best served by having the 26 supplement the 27, not splitting the 27 @ QCC (or HHE).... and Rochdale vill. to Bay Terrace... you're gonna have to explain your thinking behind that one a little further... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qjtransitmaster Posted January 15, 2012 Share #48 Posted January 15, 2012 The current route "looks like an indirect duplicate to the A"... What are you talking about... and too much mileage? clearly you've never taken the B14..... :tup: This. and while we're back on the subject.... didn't see this initially.... I disapprove of any plan that involves splitting the Q27... For one, it goes back to what Q43LTD was sayin about having a route serve at least one subway station... Your "springfield crosstown" wouldn't even do that.... Two, I'm not sure why you think Oakland Gdns. would favor the over the Jamaica subway lines (which to me, is what that's implicating).... those buses you'd have headin over to 230th are gonna end up tanking @ Horace Harding anyway..... Three, as far as that north/south split, QCC itself wouldn't be enough of a ridership generator, nor would rochdale, nor would any one particular point along such a route.... you'd be banking on the majority of the ridership coming off other buses (which is one reason why the old 89 was one big cup of fail)... anyway, for oakland gdns.... just revive the 75 & run it down springfield, across union tpke, and down homelawn (instead of on 73rd & on 188th) en route to 165th st term. as far as service b/w flushing & QCC, that's best served by having the 26 supplement the 27, not splitting the 27 @ QCC (or HHE).... and Rochdale vill. to Bay Terrace... you're gonna have to explain your thinking behind that one a little further... try selling the idea to the riders DK about that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The I Man Posted January 15, 2012 Share #49 Posted January 15, 2012 Reliability would suffer for such a long route. I always thought that extending the Q-27 to 120 Ave was a mistake. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B35 via Church Posted January 15, 2012 Share #50 Posted January 15, 2012 try selling the idea to the riders DK about that I wouldn't have a hard time doing it. Plain as day that you haven't seen those crowds over there waiting for Brooklyn bound Q7's @ Rockaway Blvd .... You "DK" about that because you "DK" what you're talking about.... Those folks either xfer to B13's or Q8's @ Euclid av ; the Q7 only goes but so far..... Having the B14 extended to rockaway blvd would put (more) folks w/i walking distance, compared w/ the current Q7 terminating where it does..... In plain english, it would eliminate an xfer scenario for quite a bit of riders.... Before they extended the Q8 to Gateway Mall (when it used to terminate w/ the Q7), Euclid/Pitkin on the SB B13, forget about it... those buses would get SRO at that one stop alone..... Having the Q8 extended did aid in taking some of those folks off of having to cram onto 13's...... Even though I explain all that.... What's funny is, look who's talking about tryna sell his ideas to riders ! I can back my ideas up with sound thoughts & at the very least, a reasonable explanation.... You have yet to show you can do either.... Good job at hatin on whatever I say for the sake of it, by the way.... You've been on that tip ever since our exchange in that thread of yours in the NE regional section that got locked, Mr. "I guess the forum has outgrown it's usefulness next." I always thought that extending the Q-27 to 120 Ave was a mistake. I'm inclined to agree, but I do think Springfield, south of Jamaica (av) needs bus service..... That was the dilemma, so to speak...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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