LIRR should reactivate the northern section of its old Rockaway branch: advocates

[KeystoneRegional]

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[qjtransitmaster]

WTF!!! The Bronx!!! Are you insane!!! The maximum I'd agree is East Harlem -125th St., otherwise it would be cost inefficient! And Maryland from New York!!! I don't even... *facepalm*

 

NO maryland to NY is NOT a route!!!!! I was referring to my trips within MD in another forum read what I wrote you mistook it again. However I was referring to completely different issues I will discuss later. I did NOT say anything about a NY to maryland route that is dumb greyhound runs for that purpose cmon man.

 

The reason why I shose the bronx was observations of traffic flow on the I-278 corridor and the fact that there is a timed connection at astoria for M60 plus the BXM11 exists for going from bronx to 125th in a sense so that was why I came up with the queens to bronx line it makes up for gaps in the network and gets ppl to LGA fast. Plus from LGA to harlem that is what M60 is for. Technically it's an extension of a certain weak line to boost ridership. It gets it's efficiency from increased ridership and the possibility to interline at the major terminus so technically it would indirectly cut costs in a sense. The ppl fustrated with long commutes between outerboroughs who want to bypass manhattan will LOVE my ideas well the I-278 ones at least.

[67thAve]

I have an idea for the abanodened Rockaway Branch. It could be converted into LRT. The trains would run from Woodhaven Boulevard to Rockaway Beach. The line would use cantenary north of Liberty Avenue and third rail south of there. It would use existing trackage to just south of Liberty Avenue. From there, the line would follow the embakment to the LIRR tracks in Rego Park. From there, the line would run on a new right-of-way to Queens Boulevard. From there, the line would follow the two centermost lanes on Queens Boulevard to the LIE. There, the line would go underground and terminate at the current Woodhaven Boulevard mezz.

[67thAve]

Stations are as follows:

Rockaway Beach (existing)

Beach 105th Street (existing)

Beach 98th Street (existing)

Beach 90th Street (existing)

Broad Channel (existing)

Howard Beach-JFK (existing)

North Conduit Ave. (existing)

Aqueduct Racetrack (existing)

Liberty Avenue (island platform, connection to A)

Atlantic Avenue (island platform, connection to LIRR)

Jamacia Avenue (island platform, out-of-system transfer to J and Z)

Union Turnpike (island platform)

Yellowstone Boulevard (island platform)

63rd Dr.-Rego Park (side platforms)

Woodhaven Boulevard (island platform)

[67thAve]

Improvements:

-Replace bridges between Libery Avenue and LIRR Main Line

-Remove trees and shrubs

-Construct a new at-grade alignment between the LIRR Main Line and 63rd Drive at Queens Boulevard

-Realign Queens Boulevard between 63rd Drive and 57th Avenue so that the road is 4 lanes in each direction with the light rail in the middle until the LIE.

-Convert a portion of the mezz at Woodhaven Boulevard into a island platform that can fit 6 60-foot LRT cars.

-Construct a new LIRR station at Atlantic Avenue and 98th Street.

-Convert the easternmost 1/4 of the right of way into a bicycle path.

[67thAve]

Train requrements:

 

-6 60-foot long LRT cars per train

-Must run on both cantenary and third rail

-Must run at a top speed of at least 40 MPH

[Roadcruiser1]

NO maryland to NY is NOT a route!!!!! I was referring to my trips within MD in another forum read what I wrote you mistook it again. However I was referring to completely different issues I will discuss later. I did NOT say anything about a NY to maryland route that is dumb greyhound runs for that purpose cmon man.

 

The reason why I shose the bronx was observations of traffic flow on the I-278 corridor and the fact that there is a timed connection at astoria for M60 plus the BXM11 exists for going from bronx to 125th in a sense so that was why I came up with the queens to bronx line it makes up for gaps in the network and gets ppl to LGA fast. Plus from LGA to harlem that is what M60 is for. Technically it's an extension of a certain weak line to boost ridership. It gets it's efficiency from increased ridership and the possibility to interline at the major terminus so technically it would indirectly cut costs in a sense. The ppl fustrated with long commutes between outerboroughs who want to bypass manhattan will LOVE my ideas well the I-278 ones at least.

 

No. There isn't a need. They are building a Metro North Line that would go from the Bronx to Queens and Manhattan. That would give people in Queens a one seat ride to the Bronx. There is no need for anything else since the runs from Brooklyn to Queens..

[Roadcruiser1]

Train requrements:

 

-6 60-foot long LRT cars per train

-Must run on both cantenary and third rail

-Must run at a top speed of at least 40 MPH

 

Light rail isn't suitable for the Rockaway Beach Branch because than it won't be subway capable anymore and light rail is only 2 cars long and they barely run longer than 200 feet at best. So no.

[KeystoneRegional]

Please, watch the Nazi Banksters Crimes Ripple Effect at http://jforjustice.co.uk/banksters

[qjtransitmaster]

I have ZERO clue why you even mentioned Maryland and Dumb Greyhound Route? What did you eat and drink that day! SMH!!!

 

And personally, I don't even think they should expand stuff to the Bronx and Manhattan, keep this line in Queens and potentially terminate it at Astoria near the (N)/(W) station above GCT/BQE area, let the future Metro-North Line have a station at Astoria for connections to this line, that would work probably, but the Bronx and Manhattan doesn't need this pricey expansion...

 

Apparently the traffic on I-87 says otherwise you obviously haven't seen the traffic patterns on the highways cause that is a HUGE travel market you are ignoring. Besides the manhattan extension to GWB will alleviate traffic going to nj thus allowing BXM express buses to be spared the gridlock. Also the commute times of many northern nj to queens and UES and east side will PLUMMET. If you drive the BQE you would understand the potential for the line to shave off over 40+ mins off of people's commutes. Also NJT/CUSA GWB ridership would increase thus relieving strain on PABT indirectly. To extend it only to astoria is just HALF-ASSED and incomplete you miss the bigger picture which is the gridlock all over nyc on I-278 and I-87. Ignoring a problem solves nothing. Plus a queens o ly line is much easier to shoot down by the greenway idiots than A line with an impact on the region as a whole.

[Roadcruiser1]

Apparently the traffic on I-87 says otherwise you obviously haven't seen the traffic patterns on the highways cause that is a HUGE travel market you are ignoring. Besides the manhattan extension to GWB will alleviate traffic going to nj thus allowing BXM express buses to be spared the gridlock. Also the commute times of many northern nj to queens and UES and east side will PLUMMET. If you drive the BQE you would understand the potential for the line to shave off over 40+ mins off of people's commutes. Also NJT/CUSA GWB ridership would increase thus relieving strain on PABT indirectly. To extend it only to astoria is just HALF-ASSED and incomplete you miss the bigger picture which is the gridlock all over nyc on I-278 and I-87. Ignoring a problem solves nothing. Plus a queens o ly line is much easier to shoot down by the greenway idiots than A line with an impact on the region as a whole.

 

Again it ISN'T NEEDED BECAUSE THE METRO NORTH IS BEING EXTENDED FROM THE BRONX TO QUEENS.

[checkmatechamp13]

Again it ISN'T NEEDED BECAUSE THE METRO NORTH IS BEING EXTENDED FROM THE BRONX TO QUEENS.

 

What are you talking about? :confused:

 

I don't think the MNRR has the ability to use LIRR trackage, and plus I don't even think they're going to build a connection between the LIRR and MNRR. They'll just share the same terminal, but they won't share trackage.

[Fresh Pond]

What are you talking about? :confused:

 

I don't think the MNRR has the ability to use LIRR trackage, and plus I don't even think they're going to build a connection between the LIRR and MNRR. They'll just share the same terminal, but they won't share trackage.

 

They can't at all. 3rd rail position and cab signaling make it difficult, if not impossible

[KeystoneRegional]

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[qjtransitmaster]

Again it ISN'T NEEDED BECAUSE THE METRO NORTH IS BEING EXTENDED FROM THE BRONX TO QUEENS.

 

you still don't get it it's more direct however we shal see how the hell's gate alignment does BUT IT DOES NOTHING FOR QUEENS PERIOD NOT EVERYONE WANTS TO MEANDER THROUGH MANHATTAN THAT IS WHY MANY PPL ARE FRUSTRATED WITH THEIR OUTERBOROUGH COMMUTES!!!!!!!!!! THEY ARE NOT TRAVELLING TO MANHATTAN AND MORE JOBS ARE GOING TO THE OUTERBOROUGHS GET A CLUE!!!!!!!! AGAIN YOU HAVE NOT SAW THE BQE.

 

Plus metro-north can't use queens LIRR track

[qjtransitmaster]

No, he is talking about the Metro-North using the Hell Gate line (no third rail is involved in this discussion). The New Haven Line to Penn Station could use a station in Astoria to better serve LGA Airport.

 

The line is completely using overhead catenary wires to power the rail car.

 

How will ppl get to the hell's gate line from this astoria station other than M60 snail line or better yet the parking lot known as I87 well you have faster ways.

 

Yeah the hells gate is so helpful for those going to queens what about Northern NJ to UES??? and queens by GWB area?? well an answer or should I do this along with millions of frustrated commuters http://i1105.photobucket.com/albums/h341/bellaisafinefrenzy/tumblr_lj1wpyiYIs1qcx61o.gif

 

Last I checked the New haven line is useless to those who put up with the I-87 parking lot everyday

[Roadcruiser1]

This is what I am talking about. A station can easily be built in Queens where it there is a transfer to the Astoria Line since the tracks are right above Astoria-Ditmars Boulevard . This is a one seat ride between the Bronx and Queens which has been requested over a million times. Together this and the creates an outer borough line which has been said here over a million times already, and this isn't slow either because it's a railroad the stations would be much farther apart meaning that people would travel much faster between the boroughs. Now no subway extension is needed only this railroad extension is...

 

 

Penn Station Access Study

[qjtransitmaster]

This is what I am talking about. A station can easily be built in Queens where it there is a transfer to the Astoria Line since the tracks are right above Astoria-Ditmars Boulevard . This is a one seat ride between the Bronx and Queens which has been requested over a million times. Together this and the creates an outer borough line which has been said here over a million times already, and this isn't slow either because it's a railroad the stations would be much farther apart meaning that people would travel much faster between the boroughs. Now no subway extension is needed only this railroad extension is...

 

 

Penn Station Access Study

I wasn't suggesting subway I was using it as an option AGAIN THIS COMPLETELY IGNORES I-87. This is useless to ppl who commute the GWB and are stuck at 5 MPH on the harlem river or I-87 either way they suffer alot. But I also didn't suggest rail for the I-278 corridor directly didn't I. I was talking about a bus from E 180th and fordham non stop to astoria then LGA to help M60 indirectly However most potential riders would come from E 180th rather than fordham since they have M60 at 125th. This will help several commuters from upstate and bronx but does nothing for those travelling between northern NJ and UES and NW and NE queens. Or if rail isn't possible a busway BRT between the GWB and queens with spurs to manhattan and queens it could parralell either the harlem river drive or I-87 or be built at the medians of those highways and feed directly to the inside of the GWB terminal with spurs to riverdale and sedgewick ave allowing BXM buses to become more reliable should a LRT not be done besides the LRT was only an option.

 

 

Option 1; subway via 2nd ave subway and old rockaway line disadvantage =cost. Advantage = has highest capacity of all other options.

Option 2: LRT from old rockaway line via LGA OR jackson heights and transfer points at astoria and 125th then to GWB. Advantage can get ppl out of their cars better. Disadvantage: design must not be disruptive to existing structures and Costs more than BRT but higher capacity.

OPtion 3: BRT for I-87 corridor and to LGA via astoria branches to bruckner and manhattan for express buses with LRT ending at astoria as you said. Advantage= low cost built senario even at full build will benefit express bus riders by cutting their commute times by almost half. Increases ridership on all routes affected and decreases operating costs due to less delays and more ridership. Another advantage allows buses to link better with the subway network while cutting commute times and allowing the option of a faster commute free from traffic buses are more flexible in routing.

Disadvantage: lacks the capacity of rail and will have to prove itself to woo in new riders who are stubborn.

 

I meant either one or the other.

[Roadcruiser1]

I wasn't suggesting subway I was using it as an option AGAIN THIS COMPLETELY IGNORES I-87. This is useless to ppl who commute the GWB and are stuck at 5 MPH on the harlem river or I-87 either way they suffer alot. But I also didn't suggest rail for the I-278 corridor directly didn't I. I was talking about a bus from E 180th and fordham non stop to astoria then LGA to help M60 indirectly However most potential riders would come from E 180th rather than fordham since they have M60 at 125th. This will help several commuters from upstate and bronx but does nothing for those travelling between northern NJ and UES and NW and NE queens. Or if rail isn't possible a busway BRT between the GWB and queens with spurs to manhattan and queens it could parralell either the harlem river drive or I-87 or be built at the medians of those highways and feed directly to the inside of the GWB terminal with spurs to riverdale and sedgewick ave allowing BXM buses to become more reliable should a LRT not be done besides the LRT was only an option.

 

 

Option 1; subway via 2nd ave subway and old rockaway line disadvantage =cost. Advantage = has highest capacity of all other options.

Option 2: LRT from old rockaway line via LGA OR jackson heights and transfer points at astoria and 125th then to GWB. Advantage can get ppl out of their cars better. Disadvantage: design must not be disruptive to existing structures and Costs more than BRT but higher capacity.

OPtion 3: BRT for I-87 corridor and to LGA via astoria branches to bruckner and manhattan for express buses with LRT ending at astoria as you said. Advantage= low cost built senario even at full build will benefit express bus riders by cutting their commute times by almost half. Increases ridership on all routes affected and decreases operating costs due to less delays and more ridership. Another advantage allows buses to link better with the subway network while cutting commute times and allowing the option of a faster commute free from traffic buses are more flexible in routing.

Disadvantage: lacks the capacity of rail and will have to prove itself to woo in new riders who are stubborn.

 

I meant either one or the other.

 

And the has an MNRR proposal for the Tappan Zee Bridge. Your ideas are useless because you are only submitting ideas that people have already came up with, and it's much easier and less confusing than your radical ideas.

 

 

Tappan Zee Bridge Replacement - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

http://secondavenuesagas.com/2010/10/18/for-the-tappan-zee-rail-renderings-but-no-funding-yet/

 

And for the people in Bergen they have this.

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northern_Branch_Corridor_Project

 

[qjtransitmaster]

And the has an MNRR proposal for the Tappan Zee Bridge. Your ideas are useless because you are only submitting ideas that people have already came up with, and it's much easier and less confusing than your radical ideas.

 

 

Tappan Zee Bridge Replacement - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

For the Tappan Zee, renderings with rail but no funding yet :: Second Ave. Sagas

 

And for the people in Bergen they have this.

 

Northern Branch Corridor Project - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

 

Damn you really are completely CLUELESS as to what I am saying this has nothing to do with my ideas I never mentioned the TZ bridge get back on topic cause you are way off base again this is useless to deal with the I-87 to GWB gridlock man I give up you have no clue drive it and you will know. The BRT is the least radical and has NOTHING TO DO WITH WHAT YOU SAID. Read again it benefits more than NJ bound from queens it also helps BXM lines too READ. Does that northern branch do anything for GWB commuters NO!!! read plz It's useless for the market my ideas are targeting. Look at northern queens and UES they have nothing to do with the tappan zee bridge or GWB

 

 

[Roadcruiser1]

Then what is this? It isn't a line to nowhere. Your idea is on the map. You cross from Jersey on the Tappan Zee and then you go on through Penn Station and on to Queens. It's a giant Z like your idea. From Rockland all the way down to Manhattan and on to Queens. No transfer no nothing, and than it heads out to Connecticut. Also Bergen has a MNRR connection to Penn so they can head on to Queens.

 

This is what I am talking about. A station can easily be built in Queens where it there is a transfer to the Astoria Line since the tracks are right above Astoria-Ditmars Boulevard . This is a one seat ride between the Bronx and Queens which has been requested over a million times. Together this and the creates an outer borough line which has been said here over a million times already, and this isn't slow either because it's a railroad the stations would be much farther apart meaning that people would travel much faster between the boroughs. Now no subway extension is needed only this railroad extension is...

 

 

Penn Station Access Study

[qjtransitmaster]

Then what is this? It isn't a line to nowhere. Your idea is on the map. You cross from Jersey on the Tappan Zee and then you go on through Penn Station and on to Queens. It's a giant Z like your idea. From Rockland all the way down to Manhattan and on to Queens. No transfer no nothing, and than it heads out to Connecticut.

 

Not even close it's for ppl close to the GWB and drive I-87 who want a faster more direct commute what you posted is TOO MUCH MEANDERING.

 

What I propose increases ridership on several existing commuter bus routes. With the BRT NJT buses via GWB can go directly to LGA via astoria OR link with an MTA bus that does that while the old rockaway line with LRT to astoria can get passengers from those NJ buses to parts deeper in queens. Also the M98 would be spared from the harlem river disaster via the BRT and several BXM lines would now bypass traffic via the BRT spur to inwood and sedgwick making BXM1,2 and 3 much faster. Also NJT would have the ability to go to empire casino without worring about I-87 gridlock via 188 extension over BRT spur meaning the route becomes more profitable with more ridership. Also another spur for bruckner further enhancing BXM express reliability. M60 will gain big with the BRT in terms of speed thus enhancing ridership on several NJT,CUSA and MTA buses alike. This also brings buses in a more linked manner to the rail network especially after these rail expansions. My ideas have NOTHING TO DO WITH THESE ONES YOU POSTED. Basically it helps several different travel groups at once the trick is to manipulate NJT's GWB routes by making them connect better with the current NYC transit network. Plus if my idea was a line to nowhere then I-87 wouldn't be backed up almost everyday. This idea directly takes a shot at that traffic. I never said your idea was completely useless I said it's USELESS TO THOSE WHO PUT UP WITH I-87 AND GWB AND HARLEM RIVER!!!!!!!!!! Those rail extensions are useful for upstate folk and NJ ppl travelling within NJ. BUT ppl like DIRECT MODES OF TRAVEL. The BRT affects more than my target market it affects MTA's own express buses as well So it's multi purpose and DIRECT also it is meant to relieve pressure from the rail network NOT increase it. WHO wants to go through penn just to reach queens from NJ with my BRT plan it would be much faster

[qjtransitmaster]

I have an idea of what to expect now

[T to Dyre Avenue]

Light rail isn't suitable for the Rockaway Beach Branch because than it won't be subway capable anymore and light rail is only 2 cars long and they barely run longer than 200 feet at best. So no.

 

Light rail lines can be made subway capable in the future if need be. Boston's Blue Line was initially a streetcar subway (like the Green Line) until it was converted in the 1920s. LR and subway can even run on the same tracks like they do in Cleveland and Amsterdam. They board at separate low-floor sections at shared stations. That would be necessary if a similar setup is done on the Rockaway Line. The LRVs would just have to be the same width and track gauge as the subway (those would be some really wide LRVs). They should also be capable of running on third rail as low-level light rail platforms and live third rail can make for a very hazardous situation.

 

Not that I'm saying it should be done. I still think the Rockaway Branch should be restored as part of the subway. You avoid all the FRA issues you'd get if the LIRR were to be restored there. You avoid the power issues (600v vs 750v on LIRR or third rail vs overhead on light rail). And you don't have to get custom-made extra-wide LRVs (most aren't even nine feet wide, never mind ten).

[T to Dyre Avenue]

And have a look at what I just found on Resorts World's website. Could it be?

 

Long island Rail road should reactivate the northern section of its old Roackawaybranch: advocates