BM5 via Woodhaven Posted August 16, 2014 Share #3376 Posted August 16, 2014 (edited) Even the Q44 can be unreliable, especially whenever it crosses the Bronx-Whitestone Bridge during rush hours in the peak direction. I can tell because I used to frequent the Q44 and it can be quite a slow ride between the Bronx and Jamaica. The Q44 is unreliable for a variety of reasons, which in addition includes the traffic in Flushing and Jamaica, and Road condiciones along the Whitestone and Cross Bronx. You're already setting this route to be unreliable by using the BQE. The Q44 is a completely diferentes story comparen to your bus route you're proposing. The Q44 has severas reasons why. The reason this route will be unreliable is because it uses the BQE south of the LIE, and on occasion, even the part north of it. The BQE gets slammed during most periods of the day, on a daily basis. Edited August 16, 2014 by BM5 via Woodhaven 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Armandito Posted August 16, 2014 Share #3377 Posted August 16, 2014 The Q44 is unreliable for a variety of reasons, which in addition includes the traffic in Flushing and Jamaica, and Road condiciones along the Whitestone and Cross Bronx. You're already setting this route to be unreliable by using the BQE. The Q44 is a completely diferentes story comparen to your bus route you're proposing. The Q44 has severas reasons why. The sole reason this route will be unreliable is because it uses the BQE south of the LIE.What streets should it use instead? To me, it's the only direct route between Brooklyn and LGA. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BM5 via Woodhaven Posted August 16, 2014 Share #3378 Posted August 16, 2014 (edited) What streets should it use instead? To me, it's the only direct route between Brooklyn and LGA. What im saying is that, I dont think this route should exist. Just take the train to the Q70, M60, Q48, or Q47. It would be too unrelaible, and I doubt theres a Hugo demanda from that area to LGA. Edited August 16, 2014 by BM5 via Woodhaven 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Armandito Posted August 16, 2014 Share #3379 Posted August 16, 2014 (edited) What im saying is that, I dont think this route should exist. Just take the train to the Q70, M60, Q48, or Q47. It would be too unrelaible, and I doubt theres a Hugo demanda from that area to LGA.The takes too long to reach the Q70 because it first must pass through Manhattan to go to Jackson Heights. Also, there are no buses to LGA that are reachable from the and trains. If you're saying the BQE is unreliable, I would reroute the bus to Laurel Hill Blvd in Queens south of Queens Blvd, but I will still run it nonstop to LGA. Edited August 16, 2014 by lara8710 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fresh Pond Posted August 16, 2014 Share #3380 Posted August 16, 2014 Hi Q90... 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Q43LTD Posted August 16, 2014 Share #3381 Posted August 16, 2014 Oh no... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Armandito Posted August 16, 2014 Share #3382 Posted August 16, 2014 Oh no...What's wrong? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Q43LTD Posted August 16, 2014 Share #3383 Posted August 16, 2014 What's wrong?Nothing... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B35 via Church Posted August 16, 2014 Share #3384 Posted August 16, 2014 My proposal is slightly different--instead of a Q70 extension to LGA, I proposed a separate bus running nonstop between Williamsburg and LGA Airport. That way, the Q70 can still serve Woodside and Jackson Heights, while the B34 can serve Brooklyn. In this case, the Q33 and the B24 will remain intact. The route map is here: https://mapsengine.google.com/map/edit?mid=zh758mgJc1tw.kV0BaxFBNAyI Yeah, but do you know that the BQE gets delayed far too often? This route would be too unreliable to use. It's bad enough they moved the Downtiwn express buses from Queens off the BQE (now they stay on the LIE, into the Queens Midtown Tunnel, and down the FDR. The B24 has to use the segment only because that's the only way to get to Industrial Maspeth and 48 Street from that section of Greenpoint. That route can also be unreliable as well. What streets should it use instead? To me, it's the only direct route between Brooklyn and LGA. BM5 Woodhaven is making a sticking point about BQE traffic, but I see a much larger problem.... Emboldened, is the problem with your idea right there..... There is no need for a bus route in our system for this specific purpose - You use the term "direct", but that is a complete understatement.... Your route is not only direct, but it's a point to point route between Williamsburg Bridge Plaza & LGA.... This requires Brooklyn riders to have to make their way to WBP to get to the airport (which can be a pain in the ass, being that the Nassau st line is rather isolated from a lot of Brooklyn, and you have the service areas of the B44, B46, and B60).... I see a route like this carrying air for most of the day... It doesn't reach enough people; the catchment area in Brooklyn is too limited...... Sounds super route-ish... Nah, it resembles a Williamsburg-LGA express bus route.... much like the old BxM4b super express or the BxM7b (straight from Woodlawn & City Island, straight to Manhattan, respectively).... When I saw your post, I thought his/her route had an shitload of stops b/w WBP & LGA..... Caesar's Bay Shopping Center area. The B6 currently serves this mall on its southbound trip, and it houses several big-box tenants, including Babies'R'Us, Kohl's, Best Buy, and Modell's. However, customers going the other way must ride through the loop and change buses at the Ulmer Park Depot, or must cross the Belt Parkway to walk back to Cropsey Avenue, which might be a bit impractical with large shopping bags. As such, I would propose a minor route change that would affect the B82 short-turns mostly. My proposal would be as follows: 1. Westbound, after Bath Avenue, instead of turning left onto Cropsey Avenue, B82 short turns that currently operate to the Ulmer Park Depot wouid instead continue on Bay Parkway, stopping at Cropsey Avenue and then continuing to the last stop at the end of Bay Parkway, by the park, where buses would lay over.. 2. Eastbound, the first stop would be past the first parking lot entrance. An additional stop would be made at the near side of Cropsey Avenue. 3. Early evening trips leaving Spring Creek Towers after the last short-turn trip, but until the first departure between 9 PM and 9:15 PM (inclusive), and on Saturday AM trips starting with the first trip leaving Spring Creek Towers at or after 6:30 AM. would make a diversion to Caesar's Bay Shopping Center. (Some late Saturday AM, would be truncated to this mall to avoid over-serving Coney Island.) 4. Return trips departing Coney Island after the last short turn, but before 10 PM, on Saturday AMs after 8 AM, would also divert to Caesar's Bay. (Some Saturday AM trips would be truncated to Caesar's Bay.) These stops would no longer be served by diverted short turns: 1. Cropsey Avenue and Bay Parkway/Bay 31 Street 2. Cropsey Avenue and 23 Avenue 3. Cropsey Avenue and 24 Avenue 4. Bay 38 Street When the B82 Limited is running, the B82 Limited would serve these stops. I estimate that this would be cost-neutral or have a minimal cost decrease because of the slightly decreased distance in travel. I have the B82 being broken up & the B100 extended to Caesars Bay....Buses would remain on Bay Pkwy. all the way to the end, then u-turn for the trip back towards Mill Basin.... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gotham Bus Co. Posted August 17, 2014 Share #3385 Posted August 17, 2014 My proposal is slightly different--instead of a Q70 extension to LGA, I proposed a separate bus running nonstop between Williamsburg and LGA Airport. In keeping with M60 and Q70, your new route should be the B80. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aemoreira81 Posted August 17, 2014 Share #3386 Posted August 17, 2014 (edited) BM5 Woodhaven is making a sticking point about BQE traffic, but I see a much larger problem.... Emboldened, is the problem with your idea right there..... There is no need for a bus route in our system for this specific purpose - You use the term "direct", but that is a complete understatement.... Your route is not only direct, but it's a point to point route between Williamsburg Bridge Plaza & LGA.... This requires Brooklyn riders to have to make their way to WBP to get to the airport (which can be a pain in the ass, being that the Nassau st line is rather isolated from a lot of Brooklyn, and you have the service areas of the B44, B46, and B60).... I see a route like this carrying air for most of the day... It doesn't reach enough people; the catchment area in Brooklyn is too limited...... Nah, it resembles a Williamsburg-LGA express bus route.... much like the old BxM4b super express or the BxM7b (straight from Woodlawn & City Island, straight to Manhattan, respectively).... When I saw your post, I thought his/her route had an shitload of stops b/w WBP & LGA..... I have the B82 being broken up & the B100 extended to Caesars Bay....Buses would remain on Bay Pkwy. all the way to the end, then u-turn for the trip back towards Mill Basin.... What would run to Coney Island via Cropsey Avenue? That is why I thought of it as the B82. In the past, I had proposed it as a B7 extension, but that would have incurred an extra cost. This saves money as I see it. Edited August 17, 2014 by aemoreira81 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Armandito Posted August 17, 2014 Share #3387 Posted August 17, 2014 (edited) BM5 Woodhaven is making a sticking point about BQE traffic, but I see a much larger problem.... Emboldened, is the problem with your idea right there..... There is no need for a bus route in our system for this specific purpose - You use the term "direct", but that is a complete understatement.... Your route is not only direct, but it's a point to point route between Williamsburg Bridge Plaza & LGA.... This requires Brooklyn riders to have to make their way to WBP to get to the airport (which can be a pain in the ass, being that the Nassau st line is rather isolated from a lot of Brooklyn, and you have the service areas of the B44, B46, and B60).... I see a route like this carrying air for most of the day... It doesn't reach enough people; the catchment area in Brooklyn is too limited...... If you're saying the route's coverage in Brooklyn is too limited, would it be better if I extended it to Downtown Brooklyn along Williamsburg St and Park Av? (It will make only the following stops along these streets: on Williamsburg St: Nostrand Av, Lee Av, Flushing Av; on Park Av: Washington Av, Navy St; on Jay St: Myrtle Promenade, Fulton Mall; on Smith St: Livingston St)In keeping with M60 and Q70, your new route should be the B80.I'll change the designation to B80 Edited August 17, 2014 by lara8710 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B35 via Church Posted August 17, 2014 Share #3388 Posted August 17, 2014 (edited) The takes too long to reach the Q70 because it first must pass through Manhattan to go to Jackson Heights. Also, there are no buses to LGA that are reachable from the and trains. If you're saying the BQE is unreliable, I would reroute the bus to Laurel Hill Blvd in Queens south of Queens Blvd, but I will still run it nonstop to LGA. You're ignoring the fact that getting to the (J)/(Z) itself isn't all that feasible for many Brooklyn residents! Your route would carry air for that reason alone.... What would run to Coney Island via Cropsey Avenue? That is why I thought of it as the B82. In the past, I had proposed it as a B7 extension, but that would have incurred an extra cost. This saves money as I see it. This pretty much answers your question... I wouldn't have one route running along cropsey b/w bay pkwy & Coney Island like the current B82 does...... My problem is the current B82 itself; thing should have never been created.... - The B6 would remain running along cropsey (NW bound) b/w UP depot & bay pkwy... (for SE bound service, riders would have to get off at bay pkwy & walk, or ride the B6 through shore pkwy to get to cropsey b/w 25th & 26th av's) - A created "B5" would run along cropsey b/w 25th av & Coney Island, for coverage.... (irrelevant, but the main purpose of this route is to replace the Bay ridge pkwy. portion of the B4... since I'd have the B4 parallel the B1 to 86th st ) As far as the B7.... yeah, it'd be too much to have that route run from Bed Stuy to Caesars Bay.... Not to mention the current headways of the route; it wouldn't be all that conducive to encouraging ridership towards the shopping center there... If you're saying the route's coverage in Brooklyn is too limited, would it be better if I extended it to Downtown Brooklyn along Williamsburg St and Park Av? (It will make only the following stops along these streets: on Williamsburg St: Nostrand Av, Lee Av, Flushing Av; on Park Av: Washington Av, Navy St; on Jay St: Myrtle Promenade, Fulton Mall; on Smith St: Livingston St) Just saw this post... If it's too limited? You can't get anymore limited than serving one stop in an entire borough! (which isn't even a hub btw... Williamsburg Bridge Plaza is nothing more than a bus terminal; people seem to fail to consider that...) Anyway, what you mention in this post is more or less a B62 variant that'd run to LGA after Williamsburg, after having came from Downtow Brooklyn.... Yeah, that's better than a point to point route b/w WBP & LGA, but then the next question becomes - How much demand is there b/w Brooklyn & LGA enough to have a bus route running nonstop b/w Williamsburg & LGA? I honestly don't think any exists, to be perfectly honest.... The fact that there's no current route running to LGA that connects to the in Brooklyn, doesn't mean there's latent demand for such a bus route..... BM5 already made the point regarding BQE traffic being a deterrent to ridership..... You have to come up w/ a route that would spawn (and have) sustainable ridership throughout the span (of service) it would operate.... You're talking about operating the thing 18/7 (18 hrs/7 days a week) every 15 mins during the rush & every half-hour all other times.... That in & of itself is much too much service throughout the day..... Edited August 17, 2014 by B35 via Church 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Armandito Posted August 17, 2014 Share #3389 Posted August 17, 2014 (edited) Just saw this post... If it's too limited? You can't get anymore limited than serving one stop in an entire borough! (which isn't even a hub btw... Williamsburg Bridge Plaza is nothing more than a bus terminal; people seem to fail to consider that...) Anyway, what you mention in this post is more or less a B62 variant that'd run to LGA after Williamsburg, after having came from Downtow Brooklyn.... Yeah, that's better than a point to point route b/w WBP & LGA, but then the next question becomes - How much demand is there b/w Brooklyn & LGA enough to have a bus route running nonstop b/w Williamsburg & LGA? I honestly don't think any exists, to be perfectly honest.... The fact that there's no current route running to LGA that connects to the in Brooklyn, doesn't mean there's latent demand for such a bus route..... BM5 already made the point regarding BQE traffic being a deterrent to ridership..... You have to come up w/ a route that would spawn (and have) sustainable ridership throughout the span (of service) it would operate.... You're talking about operating the thing 18/7 (18 hrs/7 days a week) every 15 mins during the rush & every half-hour all other times.... That in & of itself is much too much service throughout the day..... Would it be better if the bus made stops along Laurel Hill Blvd in Queens? Edited August 17, 2014 by lara8710 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BM5 via Woodhaven Posted August 17, 2014 Share #3390 Posted August 17, 2014 (edited) Would it be better if the bus made stops along Laurel Hill Blvd in Queens? Laurel Hill Blvd runs through cementary/ industrial zones(western half) & residential areas (western half). The two primary routes in that area are the Q67 and Q39. On the weekends, ridership is almost non-existent (except for those who use the Q67 to UPS). Your route would utilize Laurel Hill Blvd in the eastern half, so ridership would be non-existent. This would also mean you'd have to meander through local streets in Woodside if you want to get back on the BQE. At this point, I dont think anyone would like that. Edited August 17, 2014 by BM5 via Woodhaven 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Armandito Posted August 17, 2014 Share #3391 Posted August 17, 2014 (edited) Laurel Hill Blvd runs through cementary/industrial zones(western half) & residential areas (western half). The two primary routes in that area are the Q67 and Q39. On the weekends, ridership is almost non-existent (except for those who use the Q67 to UPS). Your route would utilize Laurel Hill Blvd in the eastern half, so ridership would be non-existent. This would also mean you'd have to meander through local streets in Woodside if you want to get back on the BQE. At this point, I dont think anyone would like that. So it would be better to run the bus nonstop between Kingsland/Meeker Avs and LGA--in other words, it will exit out the BQE at 48 St, run via Laurel Hill Blvd to Queens Blvd, and then re-enter the BQE via 65 Pl making no stops along the way. In fact, 65 Pl and Queens Blvd would be the only streets used to re-enter the BQE. Edited August 17, 2014 by lara8710 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B35 via Church Posted August 17, 2014 Share #3392 Posted August 17, 2014 Would it be better if the bus made stops along Laurel Hill Blvd in Queens? No, as it wouldn't get any ridership over there.... So it would be better to run the bus nonstop between Kingsland/Meeker Avs and LGA--in other words, it will exit out the BQE at 48 St, run via Laurel Hill Blvd to Queens Blvd, and then re-enter the BQE via 65 Pl making no stops along the way. In fact, 65 Pl and Queens Blvd would be the only streets used to re-enter the BQE. Look, Here's the problem... You're way more focused with running buses nonstop, than you are with trying to establish a justifiable riderbase to the route. No latent demand exists for a Brooklyn to LGA route, and the fact that the BQE is the most direct routing to LGA from the Williamsburg area, is a deterrent in & of itself.... Any route running from Brooklyn to LGA would have to resemble the structure of the B15 (meaning, serving multiple riderbases)... Having the route terminate @ Williamsburg Bridge Plaza & directly to LGA won't cut it.... Running the route from Downtown to Williamsburg locally, then nonstop to LGA won't cut it either.... For a Brooklyn to LGA route to garner enough riders to have it run that frequently, it's gonna have to be some sort of LTD interborough type route (like a Q44)..... And it's gonna have to have a bigger reach in Brooklyn than Williamsburg, coming from the north...... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Armandito Posted August 17, 2014 Share #3393 Posted August 17, 2014 (edited) No, as it wouldn't get any ridership over there.... Look, Here's the problem... You're way more focused with running buses nonstop, than you are with trying to establish a justifiable riderbase to the route. No latent demand exists for a Brooklyn to LGA route, and the fact that the BQE is the most direct routing to LGA from the Williamsburg area, is a deterrent in & of itself.... Any route running from Brooklyn to LGA would have to resemble the structure of the B15 (meaning, serving multiple riderbases)... Having the route terminate @ Williamsburg Bridge Plaza & directly to LGA won't cut it.... Running the route from Downtown to Williamsburg locally, then nonstop to LGA won't cut it either.... For a Brooklyn to LGA route to garner enough riders to have it run that frequently, it's gonna have to be some sort of LTD interborough type route (like a Q44)..... And it's gonna have to have a bigger reach in Brooklyn than Williamsburg, coming from the north...... I give up... Edited August 17, 2014 by lara8710 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Armandito Posted August 17, 2014 Share #3394 Posted August 17, 2014 (edited) If there is a route that should go from Bay Ridge to Canarsie---I would argue that it should be a B8 variant that operates via Canarsie Plaza, running between the 86 Street station and the Rockaway Parkway station, since the shopping center is a bit underserved, (The proposed BRT route that would run to JFK airport would also likely start in Bay Ridge and it should serve the same two points on a more southerly route.) That would also help to relieve the B1 a bit. BTW, the real reason for cutting the B11 to Brooklyn College in 1990: it was so unreliable because the western portion of the route was often delayed. The B6 Canarsie-Midwood short turns are a legacy of that to this day. That reminds me, I'd reroute my previous B79 proposal as follows: via Bay Ridge Av (both directions west of 13 Av, eastbound east of 13 Av), 70 St (westbound), 20 Av, Av I, Coney Island Av, Av J, Bedford Av, Glenwood Rd, Albany Av, Av H, Ralph Av, Foster Av, Av D, and Rockaway Pkwy. Rerouting the bus to Foster Av will provide better access to Canarsie Plaza, which is a bit underserved. Rerouting the bus to Bay Ridge Av/70 St will streamline service in Bay Ridge and Borough Park and provide better access to the 71 St station. Also, rush hour buses will no longer terminate at Flatbush Av. Edited August 17, 2014 by lara8710 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Armandito Posted August 18, 2014 Share #3395 Posted August 18, 2014 That reminds me, I'd reroute my previous B79 proposal as follows: via Bay Ridge Av (both directions west of 13 Av, eastbound east of 13 Av), 70 St (westbound), 20 Av, Av I, Coney Island Av, Av J, Bedford Av, Glenwood Rd, Albany Av, Av H, Ralph Av, Foster Av, Av D, and Rockaway Pkwy. Rerouting the bus to Foster Av will provide better access to Canarsie Plaza, which is a bit underserved. Rerouting the bus to Bay Ridge Av/70 St will streamline service in Bay Ridge and Borough Park and provide better access to the 71 St station. Also, rush hour buses will no longer terminate at Flatbush Av.Would this proposal work, or would a B8A bus to the via Canarsie Plaza and the current B8 route work better? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Armandito Posted August 18, 2014 Share #3396 Posted August 18, 2014 That reminds me, I'd reroute my previous B79 proposal as follows: via Bay Ridge Av (both directions west of 13 Av, eastbound east of 13 Av), 70 St (westbound), 20 Av, Av I, Coney Island Av, Av J, Bedford Av, Glenwood Rd, Albany Av, Av H, Ralph Av, Foster Av, Av D, and Rockaway Pkwy. Rerouting the bus to Foster Av will provide better access to Canarsie Plaza, which is a bit underserved. Rerouting the bus to Bay Ridge Av/70 St will streamline service in Bay Ridge and Borough Park and provide better access to the 71 St station. Also, rush hour buses will no longer terminate at Flatbush Av.For this proposal, I decided to reroute the bus again. After Ralph Av, it will instead continue along Foster Av to Kings Hwy, then go via Kings Hwy, Av H, Flatbush Av, Foster Av again until reaching McDonald Av, then via McDonald Av until resuming its normal route from 20 Av onwards to Bay Ridge. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Armandito Posted August 18, 2014 Share #3397 Posted August 18, 2014 (edited) Here's the B79 route map: https://mapsengine.google.com/map/edit?mid=zh758mgJc1tw.kNXF1J9fZFlw and the B8A route map: https://mapsengine.google.com/map/edit?mid=zh758mgJc1tw.kqa_21O8cTaY Edited August 18, 2014 by lara8710 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Armandito Posted August 19, 2014 Share #3398 Posted August 19, 2014 (edited) No, as it wouldn't get any ridership over there.... Look, Here's the problem... You're way more focused with running buses nonstop, than you are with trying to establish a justifiable riderbase to the route. No latent demand exists for a Brooklyn to LGA route, and the fact that the BQE is the most direct routing to LGA from the Williamsburg area, is a deterrent in & of itself.... Any route running from Brooklyn to LGA would have to resemble the structure of the B15 (meaning, serving multiple riderbases)... Having the route terminate @ Williamsburg Bridge Plaza & directly to LGA won't cut it.... Running the route from Downtown to Williamsburg locally, then nonstop to LGA won't cut it either.... For a Brooklyn to LGA route to garner enough riders to have it run that frequently, it's gonna have to be some sort of LTD interborough type route (like a Q44)..... And it's gonna have to have a bigger reach in Brooklyn than Williamsburg, coming from the north...... If the BQE won't do for a Brooklyn to LGA route, here's my new proposal: B80: Limited-stop service between LaGuardia Airport, Queens, and Downtown Brooklyn via Jay St, Tillary St, Park Av, Williamsburg St, Rodney St (northbound), Marcy Av (southbound), Meeker Av, Kingsland Av (northbound), Monitor St (southbound), Greenpoint Av, 39 St, Northern Blvd, 49 St (northbound), 48 St (southbound), Astoria Blvd, and 23 Av (northbound). Makes only the following stops: On Jay St: Fulton Mall Myrtle Promenade On Park Av: Vanderbilt Av On Williamsburg St (northbound)/Classon Av (southbound): Flushing Av On Rodney St (northbound)/Marcy Av (southbound): Broadway Metropolitan Av On Meeker Av: Lorimer St Graham Av Kingsland Av On Kingsland Av (northbound)/Monitor St (southbound): Nassau Av On Greenpoint Av: Borden Av On 39 St: Queens Blvd Steinway St/Northern Blvd On 49 St (northbound) and 48 St (southbound): Broadway 30 Av On Astoria Blvd: 78 St 82 St On 23 Av (northbound): 87 St 94 St Then all stops in LaGuardia Airport Edited August 19, 2014 by lara8710 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Armandito Posted August 19, 2014 Share #3399 Posted August 19, 2014 The B80 will operate from 6AM to midnight every 30 minutes. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Armandito Posted August 19, 2014 Share #3400 Posted August 19, 2014 (edited) On 49 St (northbound) and 48 St (southbound): Broadway 30 Av Just a little edit: The northbound stop at Broadway will be at 47 St, not 49 St. The bus will also travel northbound along 47 St between Northern Blvd and 31 Av. Edited August 19, 2014 by lara8710 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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