Mtatransit Posted June 6, 2012 Share #1 Posted June 6, 2012 Is northshore line in NJ electrified,because according to google map it is Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amtrak7 Posted June 6, 2012 Share #2 Posted June 6, 2012 ait...I just realized this is in the SIR forum. No, to my knowledge the line is not electrified. What you see is probably overhead lines for the power company. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mtatransit Posted June 6, 2012 Author Share #3 Posted June 6, 2012 No the SIR split at Cranford and that abonded portion is electrified Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mark1447 Posted June 7, 2012 Share #4 Posted June 7, 2012 North Shore Line is in Staten Island, not New Jersey. I wonder if its possible to use those tracks for the HBLR to St. George? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
checkmatechamp13 Posted June 7, 2012 Share #5 Posted June 7, 2012 North Shore Line is in Staten Island, not New Jersey. I wonder if its possible to use those tracks for the HBLR to St. George? It's possible to use the tracks, but it's basically impossible to connect them. Check this Google StreetView near where the Bayonne Bridge meets the SIR tracks: http://goo.gl/maps/Qqkt (Go south to see where Morningstar Road passes over the train tracks). The Bayonne Bridge looks taller in person (trust me, I know that area like the back of my hand) The HBLR is elevated, whereas the train tracks are below grade, which means you'd have a really hard time getting the tracks to connect. You'd have to take a huge detour all around Port Richmond/Elm Park to do that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mark1447 Posted June 7, 2012 Share #6 Posted June 7, 2012 Yeah I know. Been there before. If only they can push the HBLR deeper down, that could work. But not sure if people around there will be happy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roadcruiser1 Posted June 8, 2012 Share #7 Posted June 8, 2012 The North Shore Line is going to become a bus rapid transit route so I highly doubt it would be connected to the West Shore Light Rail, but I am certain that there would be a transfer between the North Shore BRT and the West Shore LRT. The proposed North Shore BRT. West Shore LRT. Ignore North Shore. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
checkmatechamp13 Posted June 8, 2012 Share #8 Posted June 8, 2012 Yeah I know. Been there before. If only they can push the HBLR deeper down, that could work. But not sure if people around there will be happy. Well, it might work if you demolished half the neighborhood to have the tracks sort of angle down. Of course, a certain express bus rider would love that. The North Shore Line is going to become a bus rapid transit route so I highly doubt it would be connected to the West Shore Light Rail, but I am certain that there would be a transfer between the North Shore BRT and the West Shore LRT. I hate to sound like this, but No sh*t Sherlock. Obviously they're not going to physically connect a light rail to a busway, especially considering the problems mentioned above. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KeystoneRegional Posted June 8, 2012 Share #9 Posted June 8, 2012 Well, it might work if you demolished half the neighborhood to have the tracks sort of angle down. Of course, a certain express bus rider would love that. I hate to sound like this, but No sh*t Sherlock. Obviously they're not going to physically connect a light rail to a busway, especially considering the problems mentioned above. 1) They said to put the HBLR on the Bayonne Bridge, don't know if that's in the plans still. 2) It worked in Seattle, a Bus/Light Rail way underground, I think it'll work over there in Staten Island too! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roadcruiser1 Posted June 8, 2012 Share #10 Posted June 8, 2012 1) They said to put the HBLR on the Bayonne Bridge, don't know if that's in the plans still. 2) It worked in Seattle, a Bus/Light Rail way underground, I think it'll work over there in Staten Island too! I highly doubt it would happen since it would not carry one, but multiple bus routes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KeystoneRegional Posted June 8, 2012 Share #11 Posted June 8, 2012 I highly doubt it would happen since it would not carry one, but multiple bus routes. Yes, but assuming it is just running on headways that could fit few LRV runs in the pattern, don't shed the doubt when the schedules aren't out yet and the bus vehicles aren't solid yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul Uhland Posted June 8, 2012 Share #12 Posted June 8, 2012 Who says the old North Shore line ROW will become a BRT route? Have not seen a decision based on the latest MTA re-use survey. Last I heard, was a tossup with LRT. Who drew up the proposed wishful SI transit map? Also, a BIG problem looms: to provide NY/NJ dock access for coming Asia mega-container ships when Panama Canal enlargements are ready by 2015, PANYNJ has decided to raise Bayonne Bridge's deck some 50 feet rather than do expensive span replacement or super-expensive tunnel. Don't see how HBLR connection would then be possible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roadcruiser1 Posted June 8, 2012 Share #13 Posted June 8, 2012 Who says the old North Shore line ROW will become a BRT route? Have not seen a decision based on the latest MTA re-use survey. Last I heard, was a tossup with LRT. Who drew up the proposed wishful SI transit map? Also, a BIG problem looms: to provide NY/NJ dock access for coming Asia mega-container ships when Panama Canal enlargements are ready by 2015, PANYNJ has decided to raise Bayonne Bridge's deck some 50 feet rather than do expensive span replacement or super-expensive tunnel. Don't see how HBLR connection would then be possible. 1) The http://secondavenues...lls-for-si-brt/ 2) Light rail can cross steep slopes while subway cars can't and it can run across the Bayonne Bridge once it's raised if there are tracks laid on it as well. That is why I often pointed out that light rail can run on the Brooklyn Bridge and the Verrazano Narrows Bridge, because it can handle grades like those. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
checkmatechamp13 Posted June 8, 2012 Share #14 Posted June 8, 2012 Who says the old North Shore line ROW will become a BRT route? Have not seen a decision based on the latest MTA re-use survey. Last I heard, was a tossup with LRT. Who drew up the proposed wishful SI transit map? Also, a BIG problem looms: to provide NY/NJ dock access for coming Asia mega-container ships when Panama Canal enlargements are ready by 2015, PANYNJ has decided to raise Bayonne Bridge's deck some 50 feet rather than do expensive span replacement or super-expensive tunnel. Don't see how HBLR connection would then be possible. No, they officially (and foolishly) decided on BRT. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roadcruiser1 Posted June 8, 2012 Share #15 Posted June 8, 2012 No, they officially (and foolishly) decided on BRT. Oh yeah you asked why the eliminated the heavy rail option months ago. They did it because it didn't serve Teleport, or did I already tell you that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mark1447 Posted June 9, 2012 Share #16 Posted June 9, 2012 1) They said to put the HBLR on the Bayonne Bridge, don't know if that's in the plans still. Yeah NOT happening with the current MTA Chairman in place. He mentioned using SBS instead, because its cheaper. But its not about being Cheap. There advantages and disadvantages with BRT. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roadcruiser1 Posted June 9, 2012 Share #17 Posted June 9, 2012 Yeah NOT happening with the current MTA Chairman in place. He mentioned using SBS instead, because its cheaper. But its not about being Cheap. There advantages and disadvantages with BRT. The West Shore Light Rail would be operated by the Hudson Bergen Light Rail which is technically NJ Transit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
checkmatechamp13 Posted June 9, 2012 Share #18 Posted June 9, 2012 Oh yeah you asked why the eliminated the heavy rail option months ago. They did it because it didn't serve Teleport, or did I already tell you that? Don't give me that crap. I knew why they eliminated it, but I was questioning why they thought it was justification for eliminating that option. Hmmmm, let's see. You're lucky if you can get 10 people on the S46 (Assuming there weren't any cancelled/delayed buses or anything) once it gets south of the SIE, and yet they think there's enough ridership for a train line. Yeah, it's really worth giving up hope of a direct connection to Manhattan for a half-vacant office park. No wonder their budget deficit is so huge. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B35 via Church Posted June 10, 2012 Share #19 Posted June 10, 2012 I'm so sick of that god damned image (the olive green one)..... You're lucky if you can get 10 people on the S46 (Assuming there weren't any cancelled/delayed buses or anything) once it gets south of the SIE Since that's your neck of the woods, I'll ask you.... Do they plan on (or have they fixed up) West Shore Plz, or is it slowly fading to black ? Last time I was out there, it reminded me of (Brooklyn's) Gateway mall, right before they rejuvenated that mall w/ all the big box stores there now..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
checkmatechamp13 Posted June 10, 2012 Share #20 Posted June 10, 2012 Since that's your neck of the woods, I'll ask you.... Do they plan on (or have they fixed up) West Shore Plz, or is it slowly fading to black ? Last time I was out there, it reminded me of (Brooklyn's) Gateway mall, right before they rejuvenated that mall w/ all the big box stores there now..... I haven't been there in a couple of months, but I don't think they added anything. They have the DMV office, the Chuck E. Cheeses, the Burlington Coat Factory, a Chinese supermarket, a Modell's and maybe a couple of other little stores. But there isn't anything big over there (I guess like a Target or anything like that). I've always hated the location it's in. I mean, it's in the middle of nowhere, and you have to cross train tracks to boot. And neither the stores nor the parking lot are full whenever I go there (except for that Chuck E. Cheeses), so I doubt it's doing too well. I mean, it's basically a glorified strip mall. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
checkmatechamp13 Posted June 10, 2012 Share #21 Posted June 10, 2012 Damn thing is messing up when I try to edit. Anyway, come to think about it, that's the reason I don't go out there too often: There's nothing special over there. We don't go clothes shopping too often, but we usually just go to JC Penny in the mall. The Chinese supermarket is overpriced as far as the regular items (like rice and milk) go, and we don't really eat a whole lot of Chinese food. My brothers and I used to go to Chuck E. Cheeses, but we outgrew that. I guess while we're discussing the S46, I still think the West Shore Plaza buses in general get more ridership than the Teleport (even though obviously neither gets a whole lot of ridership). Not that I'm suggesting going back to the old pattern or anything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KeystoneRegional Posted June 11, 2012 Share #22 Posted June 11, 2012 Yeah NOT happening with the current MTA Chairman in place. He mentioned using SBS instead, because its cheaper. But its not about being Cheap. There advantages and disadvantages with BRT. Well, the will taste the sour milk when they eventually find out it's more expensive to build LRT on a BRT ROW than just building the LRT straightforwardly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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