A Survey of SIR Riders Reveals...

[qjtransitmaster]

 

It's true that the system is not under FRA oversight with the exception of freight service on that you are correct, but even still the infrastructure, rules of operations, and therefore the trains technically are to FRA standards. That was already debated.

 

Also the fact that the R44's providing passenger service on MTA SIR runs on different voltages from the R44's on the MTA Subways , despite the fact that all the lines except one is indeed not under FRA oversight and that either way not systems are provided power by Con Edison, technically. (In contrast to the problem with LIPA powered rail on the IND Rockways, which is why R160's cannot run on that line, which is a voltage issue, but for a different reason.) Hence the R44's being modified in the first place.

 

So in the case of the tentative R211's the MTA will have to figure out the solution to the the voltage differences between both systems, between the versions of the R211's as they already did with the entire R44 fleet, all in all, for both systems.

 

 

 

I'm disregarding regarding the typo on the R46 citation, I make typos. But you remind me of another point. The MTA at some point ( and still may carry this out) may decide to appoint the R211's strictly on MTA subways, instead placing R46's that will be displaced, modify them and then place them on the SIR as an alternative to replace the R44's, for the reasons mentioned above.

 

Why leave SIR with old ancient equipment just use commuter rail cars.

[Far Rock Depot]

Why leave SIR with old ancient equipment just use commuter rail cars.

If it aint broke.......

And where would these commuter rail cars come from?? 

[Vistausss]

If it aint broke.......

And where would these commuter rail cars come from?? 

 

Converted M3's from LIRR? They are still old but newer than the R46's and it's at least decent with the cushioned seating and stuff.

 

Don't say it'll never happen. Express buses used to use Orions and Gilligs, now they use kinda luxiorious MCI's and Prevosts. Who knows, maybe LIRR will get better rail cars too (as in: commuter rail cars).

[Far Rock Depot]

Im not saying it will never happen. They once used LIRR MP72s in SI. But if youre gonna convert M3s you might as well go with the plan of refitting R46s. Atleast the equipment is similar to what the crews are trained for now. 

 

Cushioned seats are a maintenance nightmare. Perfect example: Green Lines Orion V WMATA rejects. even under the MTA, the seats were torn up and even had missing cushions. School crowds would have a field day with those seats.

 

Another maintenance nightmare: wear and tear on the rails. M3s are larger and heavier than R44/46s. 

 

You.ll also have less doors per car. half the amount depending on consist lengths. which, btw, would see a 4 car M3 be as long as just over 4 1/2 R44/46 cars. 

[realizm]

Why leave SIR with old ancient equipment just use commuter rail cars.

 

The technology is there where trains can adapt to environmental voltage current changes. The MTA may implement it with the final design of the R211's. Can we start there?

[Kamen Rider]

MP72s were slightly shorter, just enough. Besides, if card that length were practical on SIRTOA, would that not already had them? Why would they keep sending them subway cars...

[Vistausss]

Im not saying it will never happen. They once used LIRR MP72s in SI. But if youre gonna convert M3s you might as well go with the plan of refitting R46s. Atleast the equipment is similar to what the crews are trained for now. 

 

Cushioned seats are a maintenance nightmare. Perfect example: Green Lines Orion V WMATA rejects. even under the MTA, the seats were torn up and even had missing cushions. School crowds would have a field day with those seats.

 

Another maintenance nightmare: wear and tear on the rails. M3s are larger and heavier than R44/46s. 

 

You.ll also have less doors per car. half the amount depending on consist lengths. which, btw, would see a 4 car M3 be as long as just over 4 1/2 R44/46 cars. 

 

Yes, cushioned seats are comfortable but bad, I know because that's why they are slowly removing them in my country too. But on SIR it could work.

Also, the less doors per car isn't really a problem. If that was such a problem then the LIRR and MNRR would also order trains with more cars. At the end of the day, SIR is more or less a railroad so the doors aren't really a problem. In fact: less doors = more seating.

[Far Rock Depot]

MTA's thinking = Less seting, more people per car. And at St George during rush hour, those doors are used. 

[Vistausss]

But the M3's are 3+2 which is a lot of seating. So they can still get a lot of people per car.

[realizm]

The fact of the matter is that the MTA has declared that the R211 will replace all remaining R46 -and- R44  cars throughout the five boroughs save for a set of cars for the museum apparently. (752 R46 cars total along with the 63 R44's left on the SIR ). As the cars will be replaced and scrapped, but now apparently in 2020 due to delays in this order necessitating an extension of its SMS program on the remaining R46's as discussed in a new thread (Thanks to DJ MC for the tip).

 

Otherwise all in all, part of the R211 order will be modified cars apparently to provide commuter service on the SIR. It's pretty much a done deal as per the MTA Capital Construction Board Committee.

 

It's still being evaluated as to whether the car will be a 75' footer or a 60' footer. 

 

Source: MTA Capital Construction Oversight Meeting, 2012 (.pdf format - page 20) Link: http://www.mta.info/mta/news/books/pdf/121029_1400_CPOC.pdf

[Art Vandelay]

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[Art Vandelay]

Yes, the freight line on SI is governed by FRA. However, the freight line is not connected to SIR, nor does it go anywhere near SIR(It is only on the furthest west part of the island, while the SIR line follows the east coast, a bit inland). SIR has no freight service. As a result of this, SIR has not been FRA governed since the 1980s. The R46s used as a bridge fleet during the R44 GOH was never FRA compliant. The R44s transferred to SIR after GOH were never FRA compliant. The R44s built for SIR lost many FRA features in GOH. 

 

But this is all besides the point. SIR is a rapid transit line. Why should it not use rapid transit cars?