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I really don't like commenting on shit like this, but damn. For what it is it seems like people are taking this much to lightly.
 
For starters, the whole damn premise of the segment and discussion was to metaphorically shit on the nation of China, for various reasons. That enough should warrant some action taken.
 
Second, to go and hold a discussion on the subject with these young kids is a disfavor to everyone involved, not because of a lack of discussion value, but rather due to the subject being of controversial nature. The premise opened great liability and it's very apparent now.

 

Aside from all that I ultimately feel this issue is not to be taken lightly, at all. I'm sure no one involved had the intention of perpetuating hate speech, but it happened, no question about it

 

Kimmel should be ready to ultimately face the eminent ramifications that resulted from his segment. It's only fair after what happened. As for the the young man who said the comment, I think he can stand to take personal accountability for his actions. Might as well serve as an explanation in regard to the context of what was said.

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I really don't like commenting on shit like this, but damn. For what it is it seems like people are taking this much to lightly.

 

For starters, the whole damn premise of the segment and discussion was to metaphorically shit on the nation of China, for various reasons. That enough should warrant some action taken.

 

Second, to go and hold a discussion on the subject with these young kids is a disfavor to everyone involved, not because of a lack of discussion value, but rather due to the subject being of controversial nature. The premise opened great liability and it's very apparent now.

 

Aside from all that I ultimately feel this issue is not to be taken lightly, at all. I'm sure no one involved had the intention of perpetuating hate speech, but it happened, no question about it

 

Kimmel should be ready to ultimately face the eminent ramifications that resulted from his segment. It's only fair after what happened. As for the the young man who said the comment, I think he can stand to take personal accountability for his actions. Might as well serve as an explanation in regard to the context of what was said.

 

You mean the parents , the mainstream media as well, of the innocent young kids that teaches them racial hatred. Thats my gripe, lets not get things twisted.

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I really don't like commenting on shit like this, but damn. For what it is it seems like people are taking this much to lightly.

 

For starters, the whole damn premise of the segment and discussion was to metaphorically shit on the nation of China, for various reasons. That enough should warrant some action taken.

 

Second, to go and hold a discussion on the subject with these young kids is a disfavor to everyone involved, not because of a lack of discussion value, but rather due to the subject being of controversial nature. The premise opened great liability and it's very apparent now.

 

Aside from all that I ultimately feel this issue is not to be taken lightly, at all. I'm sure no one involved had the intention of perpetuating hate speech, but it happened, no question about it

 

Kimmel should be ready to ultimately face the eminent ramifications that resulted from his segment. It's only fair after what happened. As for the the young man who said the comment, I think he can stand to take personal accountability for his actions. Might as well serve as an explanation in regard to the context of what was said.

It's a comedy show.  That's the point...  <_< I could see if this was on a serious show, but no one takes Jimmy Kimmel seriously.

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Let me not repeat myself, racism is not carried on from the womb it is taught.


Children generally do not see other children or the world in color, they are taught these things. Surprised noone saw this essential sociological fact taught from high school onward into university master degree programs.

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You mean the parents , the mainstream media as well, of the innocent young kids that teaches them racial hatred. Thats my gripe, lets not get things twisted.

I'll reply to your earlier response, in a few, touching on that issue as well.

 

Not sure if the parents had much to do with it (that's up for debate), but I think kid himself can stand to take accountability. I'm not buying into this innocent bullshit. I have zero tolerance for any type of racism from anyone.

 

It's a comedy show.  That's the point...  <_< I could see if this was on a serious show, but no one takes Jimmy Kimmel seriously.

Not much of a comedy when you bring real world issues to the front. F**k some shit was hilarious but Kimmel is ultimately facing the end result now.

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Edging my way into another sub discussion:
 


Listen, parents can do all of the training that they want to and the kid at the end of the day is going to do and say what he/she wants to. You can't assume that kids will grow up one way just because of what their parents do or don't do. You have plenty of parents that may be racist but their kids turn out to be the exact opposite.

I have to say I'm in agreement, at least with this. As time progresses it becomes more and more evident that even the youngest members of society are forming they're own opinion early on if life, with or without the influence of others.
 

Apparently from what we have seen in this skit on national television seems to be the exception to this rule, and so your point is?

Once again it's up for debate with the parents even had anything to do with this.
 

It's a pathetic day when we start expecting kids to be politically correct...

This is where the agreement ends. If there are no expectations to speak of then what will happen to the kid later on in life? Grow to be a hating individual with no self control?
 

Its equally pathetic where we have parents in their stupidity who do not teach the value of looking at kids not in shades of yellow but as people like the next one. Political correctness and being openminded to racial sensitivities are two different things. Do your research.

Agreed. Race shouldn't serve as distinctions.
 

Not at all, but let's say that they are... You seriously expect a 6 year old to know the difference? A friend of mine used the "N" word once in class when he was a kid. Why? Because he had no clue that it was not the proper thing to say. Fast forward to him being an adult... He's going out with a black and Puerto Rican chick.

Sure, but the thing about that is that he took accountability and learned from experience.
 

Because his parents taught him the N word so did his peers. It's been already proven by psychologists that racism is not inate in us when at birth, it is a trait that is learned. I'm happy to hear that he grew out of that phase but please see my point. Education is key.

The parents are to blame for this media f**k up really. ABC News wisely did their part.

Environmentally uprising is a huge factor, but so is ones personal accountability. The go hand and hand so not sure why many don't see the connotation between the two.

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As a Chinese-born American citizen, China can stick this up it's ass until it corrects it's human right's abuse issues.

 

Yet the United States has its share of human rights issues that are being violated every day. We are not living in an Utopian goverment. 

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That's right because a kid surely is mature to understand being politically correct.

Never a better time to learn.

 

Using age as a reason to post pone anything in life just serves an an impediment that won't be apparent until late on in life.

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Understood, i'm not losing sleep over this but realize that much of a thinking of a child when it comes to bigotry is coming from poor parental training. Children can learn racism from their parents from an age as early as 7 years of age according to psychologists.

 

That being said this cold war hysteria we have with China, is politically played out but of course these extreme right tea party conversatives dont see it that way.

 

If this child was trained properly he would know not to at such things on national television. What next? A kid comes online and says that all blacks should have been slaves and all the Jews should have been wiped out in the holocaust? (It's happened already to the amusement of many racist pricks and complacent mainstream driven idiots in this country) I would imagine that this is no laughing matter and the parents of this young child should reconsider the bringing up of their children where it comes to political affairs concerning our fellow Asian Americans. Sorry the entertaining of the model minority myth where it comes to us Asians tolerating notions of yellow peril does not fly with me here.

 

Why do you think ABC News made an apology? They clearly saw the seriousness of this.

Stop blaming conservatives every time something like this happens. That's ignorant. I don't blame the entire left for things extreme far-left nutjobs like Bill DeBlasio say or do. I don't shout out "socialist/commie/etc." right away whenever I see that (D) next to a pol's name on TV.

 

No excuse. The parents of this child should have trained this kid properly on cultural awareness. Racism starts at an early age. 

No excuses for a little kid? Really son? If we're gonna start blaming kids for not being PC or parents for not doing a "good job" teaching them "the right way" when they're only a few years old and they're too immature to understand it... shit.

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Stop blaming conservatives every time something like this happens. That's ignorant. I don't blame the entire left for things extreme far-left nutjobs like Bill DeBlasio say or do. I don't shout out "socialist/commie/etc." right away whenever I see that (D) next to a pol's name on TV.

A load of bullshit. Hate towards either side of the political spectrum is perpetuated by the other when it gets a chance. Don't play with fire, dude.

 

 

No excuses for a little kid? Really son? If we're gonna start blaming kids for not being PC or parents for not doing a "good job" teaching them "the right way" when they're only a few years old and they're too immature to understand it... shit.

In my honest opinion these ideals are what's impeding the progress of society as whole.

 

Don't get me started on this shit.

 

YOU'RE GOING DOWN M O T H E R F U C K E R

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Stop blaming conservatives every time something like this happens. That's ignorant. I don't blame the entire left for things extreme far-left nutjobs like Bill DeBlasio say or do. I don't shout out "socialist/commie/etc." right away whenever I see that (D) next to a pol's name on TV.

 

No excuses for a little kid? Really son? If we're gonna start blaming kids for not being PC or parents for not doing a "good job" teaching them "the right way" when they're only a few years old and they're too immature to understand it... shit.

 

I'm putting the blame on society in general. Is that ignorant of me to do so? 

 

Tell me....

 

AND - the parents : Obviously instilling this yellow peril in this kids mind. Too obvious. The parents are to blame. Are you running hiding from the obvious facts here? Think this kid pulled this out of a tin foil hat? His feelings had to been a learned trait from somewhere dont you think? 

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I'm putting the blame on society in general. Is that ignorant of me to do so?

 

Tell me....

 

AND - the parents : Obviously instilling this yellow peril in this kids mind. Too obvious. The parents are to blame. Are you running hiding from the obvious facts here? Think this kid pulled this out of a tin foil hat? His feelings had to been a learned trait from somewhere dont you think?

What the f**k man? Calling the parents racist and saying they teach them racist shit because the kid happened to say something wrong? He's a KID! He doesn't know any better! He probably didn't hear "let's kill the Chinese" from anyone, just said that as a natural response to the question not knowing how ignorant what he said is or what's right and wrong like every other normal little kid.

 

I seriously can't believe what I'm hearing in this thread... we're gonna blame a little kid and his parents for him saying something wrong like plenty of little kids do. They learn over time, it's part of being a child.

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What the f**k man? Calling the parents racist and saying they teach them racist shit because the kid happened to say something wrong? He's a KID! He doesn't know any better! He probably didn't hear "let's kill the Chinese" from anyone, just said that as a natural response to the question not knowing how ignorant what he said is or what's right and wrong like every other normal little kid.

 

I seriously can't believe what I'm hearing in this thread... we're gonna blame a little kid and his parents for him saying something wrong like plenty of little kids do. They learn over time, it's part of being a child.

 

Read these post then if you cant understand: This is from a guide given to parents concerning their kids: http://www4.uwm.edu/letsci/africology/faculty/upload/children_colorblind.pdf

 

1)In a study that followed approximately 200 black and white children from the ages of six months to six years, Katz and Kofkin (1997) found that infants are able to nonverbally categorize people by raceand gender at six months of age. The infants looked significantly longer at an unfamiliar face of a different race than they did at an unfamiliar face of their same race. The researchers argue that, because this finding is very consistent in six-month-olds, “initial awareness [of race] probably begins even earlier”

 

2)Researchers have found that even very young children develop what psychologists call “in- group bias,” or favoritism towards the groups in which they are members (Patterson & Bigler, 2006). However, as children become more aware of societal norms that favor certain groups over others, they will often show a bias toward the socially privileged group. In their study following a group of black and white children over time, Katz and Kofkin (1997) found that all of the children expressed an in-group bias at the age of 30 months

 

3) Take it seriously. Because of the inaccurate but deep-seated folk belief that “children cannot be prejudiced,” many adults choose to ignore or brush off incidences in which young children express bias. Scholars warn against this, arguing that this only fuels the fire of developing prejudices (Aboud, 2008; Hirschfeld, 2008; Van Ausdale & Feagin,2001). Do not presume that children have to exhibit strong, hatefully racist attitudes in order to harbor racial prejudice (Aboud, 2008).

 

Additional source: http://sg.theasianparent.com/learning-racism-children-can-pick-up-racism-in-a-matter-of-minutes/#ixzz2kg2Gcd00

 

1) Racism has plagued society for centuries and remains a significant social problem even till today. Despite Singapore’s extremely tough stand on racism, racism is still evident in Singapore as shown by many high profile cases in recent years. The most notable case is probably that of Amy Cheong, who caused an uproar over her racist rant on her personal Facebook page. While the debate over whether racism is innate or acquired is still raging, there is considerable evidence that learning racism is not only possible, but worryingly easy. In fact, learning racism is so easy that children can pick up racism in a matter of minutes.

 

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SO yes if you must go there: Children are capable of learning racist ideology. This was a series of socio-scentific studies to confirm yes children can make such expressions of insubordinate pride and ideology. It happens in each and every race hee in this city. it is what it is. Dont kill the messenger, I never created these rules. Its for better or worse a fact of life in the United States. Its how that prson deals with it that makes a persons difeence in him or herself.

 

The right thing parents need to do is help the kids see we are all one flesh and created equal. Thats what not being taught here. It would be healthy for the mind and heart.

 

If you have any further concerns about this particular before we can get back to politics you can feel free to respond.

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Why are you assuming it's the parents? Could be someone else in his family. His grandfather could be an Archie Bunker clone as far as we know.

 

And another thing. If you think a stupid comment made by grade schooler is this important, you really needed to re-evaluate your priorities. When I was his age I though half the effects I saw on TV were real.

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Why are you assuming it's the parents? Could be someone else in his family. His grandfather could be an Archie Bunker clone as far as we know.

 

And another thing. If you think a stupid comment made by grade schooler is this important, you really needed to re-evaluate your priorities. When I was his age I though half the effects I saw on TV were real.

The point is these connotations don't develop out of thin air, and the more it's discussed the more it becomes apparent. With that in mind no one can really fault Realizm from accusing those closest to the kid, it's human nature.

 

And another thing, that comment isn't as innocently stupid as it seems. Looking at it from true context it's easy to see why it's hate speech. You may be inclined to dismiss content of that nature, but others aren't hesitant to say it's a problem.

 

While on the judgement path this revelation of yours to an extent better explains some other comments of yours. It doesn't serve as justification, but as an explanation it does just fine.

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So one kid represents the entire nation's youth?

 

If everyone finds it popular in discussions on whats hot in the news to harp on kids from the ghetto in the crimes that they commit becase of lack of parental guidance based on their trends of antisocial behavior and if that seems to be the popular notion in disccusion concerning our inner city youth, then I would imagine that in this case it would also be right to conclude because of bad parenting albeit involving a much less of a major incident, that this kid said what he said in reference to wiping out the chinese in mass genocide as is this is some of plot to a computer game.

 

I dont follow double standards. Kids learn and watch from their parents and peers. That's all there is to it.

 

I would imagine that was what I said. Next time cite my statements correctly.

 

The quotations I have made in the previous posts proves that racism can be learned at a early age. I didnt write that, scientists wrote that. Dont get angry at me for not taking things at face value.

 

 

Why are you assuming it's the parents? Could be someone else in his family. His grandfather could be an Archie Bunker clone as far as we know.

 

And another thing. If you think a stupid comment made by grade schooler is this important, you really needed to re-evaluate your priorities. When I was his age I though half the effects I saw on TV were real.

 

I would not be suprised then from your reasoning that all this was staged and in actuallity not non scripted.

 

Kids who like to dress as klu klux members of adolf hitlers on halloween says alot about bad parenting. Thats how children learn how to be racists, it just doesnt come out of thin air. Researchers proved it as fact. The use of racial epithats also are learned from a early age by parents, what they see on TV and their peers. Children can be very impressional and can pick up things at early ages. As they become teens they cecome able to reevaluate themselves and rid themselves of those traits in a fdeclaration that they are becoming critical thinkers and do not belive much of what they are being erroneously taught about the human family, in regards to fudemental truths.... Others dont succeed.

 

I've hoped the articles posted by psychologists proves it. Many young parent couples follow that advice from doctors and counselors in raising kids to deal with the problems of racism in this country sucessfully in making the child grow into well rounded out individuals with healthy minds. Feel free to reread my citations.

 

I dont appreciate these comments about myself being politically correct. Far from it. Rather I like to think in ways that are alternative to the mainstream. I do not affiliate myself with any political party btw, I've said this may times. Its really quite the contrary, I am debunking many agruements that would be coming from one wo can be uptra PC. Again I didn not create the rules.

 

Now I am not here to start a flame for the record. This is what I know about the child's psychology, it is part of a training and schooling of a nurses, psychologists and medical doctors, these are things that are discussed in college. I am not making this up so please do not get angry at me, direct your fuctrations at American society for problems such as this as it turns up.

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And another thing. If you think a stupid comment made by grade schooler is this important, you really needed to re-evaluate your priorities. When I was his age I though half the effects I saw on TV were real.

 

Reevaluate my priorities? Maybe one day I will have kids. I will see to it I do not allow my kids to harbor racist ideals as a father. It would be a wrong on my part to not teach my kids the problems in society little by litle as my kids grow up to mature adults. If I dont the child will not be able to deal with the racism that will be hurled at him as her or he or she gets through grade school.

 

There's many ways I can go with this in the hopes that at last you can understand my POV, you may not agree with it but that is not the gaol of my posts. I am simply (again) laying out the facts which I did not create,

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I'll make one more post in the hopes this clears everything up:

 

1) Children as proven by the sources I provided if one questions the credibility of my personal experiences and observations are very impressional and pics up many things, sad enough racism is one of them. Is it the childs fault? Of course not! Rather its a combination of factors that leades up to this, poor parental training and it does not rely solely on economic status, what they see on TV or the internet and their immediate peers. They pick this up and sometimes they cannot shake it off as they grow up. Scientifically proven fact, as much as it is very displeasant to see this, it it what is happening.

 

2) Understood this is a child but talking about chinese mass extermination is not exactly a funny thing to hear. Given this is a child of course he should not be chatized for it, yes it was a mistake. It is in my hopes from that experience that the child learned from his mistake in itself, and that his parents are talking it out with him to help him see that things like this simply is wrong and does not need to be entertained.

 

3) I have seen many comments before concerning black children and how poor parental training leads to their problems they suffer as an adult. That is true, never denied that. So because this child is not black all of a sudden I am being flamed for it? I dont see the consistency in this. Lets say again someone says on national television the same thing concerning blacks. Will that be acceptable? So the same stands here concerning the comments seen here. Many Chinese are offended by this contrary to contrary belief.

 

4) Really from that article it gives me the heds up that I have to train my own kids the fail in horboring racial resentment of any man of woman of any other nationality or race.

 

5) I didn not create the rules that moves this status quo. I am simply trying to deal with is as all of you here participating in this discussion as well. I realize this is not a comfortable discussion to talk about as wioth any discussion. There are no right and wrongs here. Everyone did bring up vital points. I would imagine that even with scientific citations provided my points are also valid.

 

Discuss.

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Reevaluate my priorities? Maybe one day I will have kids. I will see to it I do not allow my kids to harbor racist ideals as a father. It would be a wrong on my part to not teach my kids the problems in society little by litle as my kids grow up to mature adults. If I dont the child will not be able to deal with the racism that will be hurled at him as her or he or she gets through grade school.

 

There's many ways I can go with this in the hopes that at last you can understand my POV, you may not agree with it but that is not the gaol of my posts. I am simply (again) laying out the facts which I did not create,

You can teach your kids anything you want.  In the end, kids are going to do as they please, so I think it's ridiculous to make it sound as if when kids don't do as they are told by their parents or as they're taught, that somehow it's the parents faults.  I'm working with a kid right now that refuses to do as he is told.  The mother cares about him and does everything possible to make sure he's doing as he should be, but at the end of the day he still does what he wants to.

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You can teach your kids anything you want.  In the end, kids are going to do as they please, so I think it's ridiculous to make it sound as if when kids don't do as they are told by their parents or as they're taught, that somehow it's the parents faults.  I'm working with a kid right now that refuses to do as he is told.  The mother cares about him and does everything possible to make sure he's doing as he should be, but at the end of the day he still does what he wants to.

 

First I already said that in the case of parents who may say the wrong things to their children, or as for children who get absorbed by false propaganda and misguided by the perils of societal beliefs based on lies may take this in because they are very impressional. Its later on in life as they reach puberty that they begin to emotionally mature, at around 9 years of age for girls and about 11 years of age for boys. That includes their psyche. As they grow, they begin to develop critical thinking skills and begin to question what they hear, from their family members their peers and what they are taught in school, or see in the news or what they read on the internet and watch on TV. Its called growing up.

 

And again I invite you to read citations. It isnt as ridiculous as you think. Many parents do not realize that, nor teachers that educate our children, they need to realize these facts and try to educate their children accordingly to lead better furfilling social lives:

 

1) http://steve-wheeler.blogspot.com/2012/04/lies-damned-lies-and-internet.html

 

Increasingly, students need to acquire the important skill of critical thinking. Content is growing exponentially on the web, and students are exposed to increasing amounts of erroneous material, misleading, biased or opinionated accounts and false research. During the last week I have been thinking about how teachers can address this issue. One of the new digital literacies students need to acquire is the ability to distinguish the good from the bad content. How do we instill these critical skills in our learners? In his Pelecon 2012 keynote, Alec Couros showed some examples of how history has been airbrushed. He cited Henry Jenkins: "In hunting culture, children play with bows and arrows. In an information society, they play with information". Couros gave several examples, but the most impressive was the following example of information manipulation. This picture of Jack Ruby shooting Lee Harvey Oswald is iconic for a certain generation, but for those who are younger and know little about the political history of the United States of America can easily be fooled.

 

2) http://www.civilrights.org/publications/reports/talking_to_our_children/

 

As parents, we may look to teachers, politicians, or religious leaders to eliminate racism. They certainly can make great contributions toward a just society, but we also have a vitally important contribution to make. We can talk openly with our children about race, ethnicity, religion, and bigotry. We can answer their questions about these complicated topics, and we can begin a dialogue that will continue throughout their lives. The quality of our children's future is at stake. In the 21st century, the ability to communicate and work with people from different racial and ethnic groups will be as essential as computer skills. The United States is already one of the most diverse societies in the world. Our children will inherit an even more diverse society. We need to help them learn to live and work closely with people whose race, religion, or culture may be different from their own.

 

By speaking openly about similarities and differences between people, we can raise children whose lives are not constricted by fear. By joining with them to recognize and talk about discrimination, we will help our children become adults who work to end it. By encouraging our children to reach across racial and ethnic lines, we will enable them to lead richer, fuller lives and to recognize the humanity of all people.

 

"I'm not prejudiced. I treat all people with respect and dignity, and I expect my children to do the same. Why do I have to do more?"

 

"Since kids are naturally prejudice-free, won't talking about it just make things worse?"

 

but I'm not prejudiced....

 

Unfortunately, it is not enough to set a good example. Nor can we shield children from bigotry. A society that continues to discriminate against racial and ethnic groups nurtures prejudice in each new generation.

 

If we avoid these subjects with our children, we actually run the risk of strengthening prejudices we want them to reject. Children are barraged by images and ideas we don't control-on the playground, on television, and in school. However free from prejudice we may be, our children, even very young children, can absorb the biases they encounter outside of our homes.

 

3)  Five-to eight-year-olds begin to place value judgements on similarities and differences. They often rank the things in their world from "best" to "worst." They like to win and hate to lose. They choose best friends. They get left out of games and clubs, and they exclude others-sometimes because of race, ethnicity, and religion.

 

When children begin school, their horizons expand and their understanding of the world deepens. We can no longer shelter them quite as effectively. Even for graduates of preschool or day care, attending elementary school means more independence in a less controlled environment. Children are exposed to a wider range of people and ideas. They also experience more bigotry!

 

Between five and eight, children are old enough to begin to think about social issues and young enough to remain flexible in their beliefs. By the fourth grade, children's racial attitudes start to grow more rigid. Our guidance is especially crucial during this impressionable, turbulent time.

 

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-Those are the facts. Even without these plertora of citations I have provided I am aware of this problem concerning our nation's children because I have experienced it firsthand from an Asian upbringing, having to debunk racial resentment that my parents still has not got over, because as I grew up I've matured and learned to see things for what it is namely that 1) racism exists 2) It's how I deal with it that makes the difference making me a happier person by simply treating all regardless of race of nationality with upmost respect. Being proud of my dual heritage. Believe me I've struggled with it for many years, from being a recipiant of racism myself, hence my POV and knowledge I am sharing here with all. I wished my own parents could have educated me better. I had to learn these things on my own.

 

I would think that would be reasonable, and my hopes is that as this situation and the flames it created dies out that the parents are teaching their child about racism and that the child learns from this experience. I believe he will for his embetterment and empowerment.

 

Thanks for taking your time to read this. There's alot of content here in my post that may help some to see what is really going on in American society here as we progress through the second millenial decade.

 

 

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