Sandy Recovery: Cranberry Street Tunnel Closeing

[Snowblock]

As for the idea of a single-track shuttle between Fulton and Chambers, that is ONLY if Cranberry is shut down both ways and then only because you otherwise run the risk of dealing with loudmouth pols in lower Manhattan who would claim their constituents don't want to have to walk first between the and / platforms at Chambers/Park Place and the same platforms at Fulton, especially if looking to take the or to Fulton and transfer there to the / .  While it is good exercise, you have to take into account that for some people it is a lot of walking and there will be those who don't want to do it.

 

When the passageway opens, then it may very well be unnecessary, but until then, I'm allowing for that if it were me.

Thankfully you don't have the power to allow ANYTHING.

 

You have got to be joking. Loudmouth pols are going to complain about having to actually use an in-system transfer???? What do they want us to do, carry them on our backs? This is the SUBWAY. If they're too lazy to walk and loud enough to try to do something about it, why not ask for private limos to drive them between Chambers and Fulton?

In one direction, yes, but I don't think that will be acceptable to pols in lower Manhattan and Downtown Brooklyn.

 

The way I would do it (split with the running express in Manhattan to the Chambers platform and local in Manhattan and in Brooklyn having the run High Street-Euclid while the runs via Rutgers) to me is a fair compromise that eliminates any possible interference from the pols.

You and your pols. When have the pols EVER influenced the way that GOs get handled? Seriously, give me a cite here. They certainly didn't stop the from getting shut down/split for 14 months.

 

Again, my plan assumes a COMPLETE weekend shutdown of the Cranberry tubes.

So you're going to completely ignore the factual post I made explaining that the tubes are going to be closed ONE AT A TIME? This isn't a fantasy thread. At least, that wasn't the intention. Can you please take your foamer chit some place else?

[ScreechyFlange]

Where would this site be without Wally?

[Snowblock]

Lance:

 

You also have to consider the Casino at Aqueduct into the equation.  I would think Genting (the company that operates it) would NOT accept the being local in Brooklyn during any closure of the Cranberry tube (in Manhattan, it's not as big a deal since the express only skips three stations south of 59th).   That was another factor in my having the split during this while the operates via the Rutgers tube aside from having service at High Street.

But Genting is perfectly fine with them suspending service between Jay and Utica every weekend this month?

Source:

http://gothamist.com/2014/04/02/sandy_subway_4eva.php

 

Using Gothamist for a source is just as bad as using Wally for a source. They make the New York Post look like the New York Times.

 

Where does everyone keep getting this idea that they're gonna close both tubes at the same time??? Is it just because it's more fun to come up "what if" scenarios so you want to ignore reality?

[cl94]

If both the Rutgers and Cranberry tubes are completely closed at the same time, how I would handle it is this:

 

runs in two sections:

207th Street-Chambers Street platform (Express) with a single-track shuttle between Chambers and Fulton

High Street to Lefferts Boulevard or Far Rockaway (local in Brooklyn).

 

Rockaway Park is extended to Broadway Junction and runs express between there and Euclid Avenue.

Late-night Lefferts Boulevard also is extended to Broadway Junction in the same manner.

 

runs normal to West 4th, then via the and then to the Broadway Junction platform, where it terminates and runs overnights on this re-route.

 

runs in two sections:

179th Street to 2nd Avenue OR Chambers Street station (alternating trains) with LIMITED service to Delancey Street (late nights to 2nd Avenue or Delancey Street ONLY)

York Street to Coney Island in Brooklyn

 

is extended on both ends and runs Coney Island to 71st-Continental

 

is extended to 9th Avenue in Brooklyn at all times via Montauge and the 4th Avenue line.

 

Why are you so obsessed with sending the down Broadway? No flipping point. You're just making up fantasy scenarios to try and convince people it's a good idea. It isn't. Talk about causing confusion.

 

They won't close both tubes of both East River crossings at the same time. Doing so would send everyone over to the 2, 3 and 4 lines and overwhelm those lines. The idea I suggested earlier in this thread will likely be the MTA plan for action for Cranberry (only pending a full closure). Any full closure of Rutgers (once again if necessary), will likely follow the Rutgers FASTRACK plan.

 

And by the way, for everyone's safety, I recommend suspending the drinking game for the rest of the day.

 

Note what I bolded.

 

It's too late for me to stop the drinking game. I've already downed a six pack and I'm about to start #7.

 

Thankfully you don't have the power to allow ANYTHING.

 

You have got to be joking. Loudmouth pols are going to complain about having to actually use an in-system transfer???? What do they want us to do, carry them on our backs? This is the SUBWAY. If they're too lazy to walk and loud enough to try to do something about it, why not ask for private limos to drive them between Chambers and Fulton?

 

You just HAD to suggest that. Next thing we know, people will be demanding limos as replacements for shuttle buses.

[AndrewJC]

You also have to consider the Casino at Aqueduct into the equation.  

 

Actually, no, you don't. The two Aqueduct stations combined saw an average of 4,952 fares paid per weekend in 2013 - about 0.085% of the system's weekend ridership. Genting doesn't get special treatment.

 

They won't close both tubes of both East River crossings at the same time. 

 

Nor will they close both tracks of a single tube at the same time. There's simply no reason to do so. Southbound Cranberry will be paired with northbound Rutgers. Southbound Rutgers will be paired with northbound Cranberry.

[Kamen Rider]

In one direction, yes, but I don't think that will be acceptable to pols in lower Manhattan and Downtown Brooklyn.

 

As I have tried to explain to you on NUMEROUS occasions last year (even though it is quite obvious you refuse to listen to anyone else since you continue you post your way off base speculations no matter how many times we tell you that's not how it works), city politicians have NO say in the operations of the MTA. the MTA is a STATE controlled entity. and even then the state's ability to interfere in the day to day operations of the network is extremely limited. 

 

Pols cannot sue, they cannot give orders. They will take what they are given and this is next to nothing they can do about it. 

 

Genting is not a part of the government. they have as much say in the operations of the MTA you or I do. Which is NONE. 

 

You have this single minded obsession with keeping the least common denominator happy any time there is an issue, and quite frankly you need to stop it. 

[Fresh Pond]

Aren't the 2 Aqueduct stations at the bottom of the ridership pool anyway? I mean the only stations lower than them is the Rockaway Park branch and Cortlandt St on the

[Snowblock]

Why hasn't this thread been locked yet, and why hasn't that troll been banned? /armchair moderation

[R32 3838]

The casino has buses that take people to the city so the casino isn't the the main issue, sending the via the is pointless for that reason, it would be simply smarter just to transfer to the and

[lupojohn]

Aren't the 2 Aqueduct stations at the bottom of the ridership pool anyway? I mean the only stations lower than them is the Rockaway Park branch and Cortlandt St on the

Aqueduct-North Conduit Avenue is 392nd. Almost 30 stations are behind it. Aqueduct Racetrack is 413th, but ridership was up 100% from 2012 to 2013.

[Fresh Pond]

Aqueduct-North Conduit Avenue is 392nd. Almost 30 stations are behind it. Aqueduct Racetrack is 413th, but ridership was up 100% from 2012 to 2013.

Ridership went up like that only because the station was closed in 2012