Sandy Recovery: Cranberry Street Tunnel Closeing

[LTA1992]

this is what I was trying to avoid....

You mean you didn't have a ring for this?

[cl94]

this is what I was trying to avoid....

 

 

You mean you didn't have a ring for this?

 

I'm surprised it took this long. If Fulton Street had to close, just issue block tickets and direct people down the Dey Street Passageway, which opens in 3 months. Having a 1000 foot shuttle is pointless, especially if a passageway exists.

[NYSubwayBuff]

I think it would be better if they closed one tube at a time for 24/7 There is not that much off peak service demand, and it is possible to run the via the using a reduced schedule reverse peak

For example: 4 AM to 1PM nb 1:01 PM till 12 Am sb

 

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[Snowblock]

You have a point, but many people who want to get to the and at Fulton or transfer from the / there are not going to want to walk a length of the Fulton platform transfer to get to the / there.  That's why I have the single track shuttle.

If they won't extend the to Broad St during weekends when the gets rerouted via Cranberry (so that riders who want Delancey, which seems to be ALL of them, can get it at Fulton), then why would they run a completely unnecessary shuttle?????

[AndrewJC]

If its not that serious, then what happens if the weekday gets sent via the  when the Cranberry tube closes 24/7?

Then something has to be cut, since the A, F, and M can't all fit on one track at their regular headways.

 

Actually, in this case, what I would do is this:If it is a weekend-only closure as it's (as of now), most likely to be: runs via the between West 4th and Jay Street-Borough Hall and runs local in Manhattan (and express in Brooklyn) runs in two sections:168th Street-Chambers Street platform (as an express) in Manhattan with a single-track shuttle between Chambers and Fulton StreetBetween High Street and Euclid Avenue in Brooklyn (as a local)

Unnecessary, and there's no reason to cut off the Brooklyn local stations from Manhattan. This is a standard GO pattern, and the A and C both ruin via Rutgers in the affected direction.

[RTOMan]

*Looks in and sees foam level rising and thinks....

 

Geez this foam fest isnt locked yet?

[Wallyhorse]

Then something has to be cut, since the A, F, and M can't all fit on one track at their regular headways.

 

Unnecessary, and there's no reason to cut off the Brooklyn local stations from Manhattan. This is a standard GO pattern, and the A and C both ruin via Rutgers in the affected direction.

 

What I wrote assumes the Cranberry Street tunnel is shut down on weekends in both directions at the same time.  If it is shut down in one direction at a time, then yes, I do agree you can get away with the "normal" G.O. setup of the and running through Rutgers in one direction.

 

As for the idea of a single-track shuttle between Fulton and Chambers, that is ONLY if Cranberry is shut down both ways and then only because you otherwise run the risk of dealing with loudmouth pols in lower Manhattan who would claim their constituents don't want to have to walk first between the and / platforms at Chambers/Park Place and the same platforms at Fulton, especially if looking to take the or to Fulton and transfer there to the / .  While it is good exercise, you have to take into account that for some people it is a lot of walking and there will be those who don't want to do it.

 

When the passageway opens, then it may very well be unnecessary, but until then, I'm allowing for that if it were me.

 

And speaking of the , an additional option would be for this to either extend the to Prospect Park OR have the run its old route to 9th Avenue on weekends if both Cranberry tubes are shut down (and Montague is open) so that some passengers in lower Manhattan can take that to Jay Street-Metrotech and use that to transfer to the or and vice versa.

[cl94]

I hope somebody locks this puppy up before things deteriorate even more than they already have.

 

The darn passageway opens in June. Montague won't be done until October at the earliest. The said they weren't going to do any weekday full tunnel closures. Crossovers exist on either side of the tubes and it's easy enough to send the off-peak direction to Rutgers.

End of story.  

[Wallyhorse]

We are talking about WEEKEND, not WEEKDAY closures. 

 

No one expects them to have to close Cranberry the way they did Montague. 

If and when the passageway opens, if the Cranberry tunnel has to close in both directions AND as long as you can access the Fulton Street station from Chambers WITHOUT having to pay an additional fare/use an additional swipe, then it is NOT necessary to do the single track shuttle I noted in my earlier post.

Again, my plan assumes a COMPLETE weekend shutdown of the Cranberry tubes.

[Fresh Pond]

Doesn't this count as a few shots of liquor right there lol

[Culver]

Why the foam? They're closing the tubes on weekends, right? They'll just do the usual A/F switch that they do often anyways, but in both directions. Seems simple enough.

[Wallyhorse]

Why the foam? They're closing the tubes on weekends, right? They'll just do the usual A/F switch that they do often anyways, but in both directions. Seems simple enough.

In one direction, yes, but I don't think that will be acceptable to pols in lower Manhattan and Downtown Brooklyn.

 

The way I would do it (split with the running express in Manhattan to the Chambers platform and local in Manhattan and in Brooklyn having the run High Street-Euclid while the runs via Rutgers) to me is a fair compromise that eliminates any possible interference from the pols.

[Fresh Pond]

In one direction, yes, but I don't think that will be acceptable to pols in lower Manhattan and Downtown Brooklyn.

 

The way I would do it (split with the running express in Manhattan to the Chambers platform and local in Manhattan and in Brooklyn having the run High Street-Euclid while the runs via Rutgers) to me is a fair compromise that eliminates any possible interference from the pols.

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[cl94]

In one direction, yes, but I don't think that will be acceptable to pols in lower Manhattan and Downtown Brooklyn.

 

The way I would do it (split with the running express in Manhattan to the Chambers platform and local in Manhattan and in Brooklyn having the run High Street-Euclid while the runs via Rutgers) to me is a fair compromise that eliminates any possible interference from the pols.

 

 

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There are multiple ways to get from the to lower Manhattan. Transfer to the at Jay, take the to Chambers, at Penn, at Broadway-Lafayette. It isn't that hard.

[Lance]

To bring some semblance of sanity back into this thread (as if it had any to begin with LOL ), if and that's a pretty big if, both Cranberry tubes were closed for any period of time (weekdays, weekends, whatever) and the A was rerouted to Rutgers, the only thing I'd see Transit doing is sending the C to the World Trade Center (or Chambers St since there wouldn't be any through traffic in the way if they wanted to avoid turning both the C and E trains at WTC) to provide a direct ink to/from Central Park West and running the A local in Brooklyn. They won't run the M anywhere besides Delancey-Essex and they sure aren't bringing back the underused J shuttle. As for this potential loss of service at High St, do me a favor and take a look at a geographic map of Downtown Brooklyn. High St is in easy walking distance from York St on the F-line. That's why whenever the A, C and/or F do their do-si-do between East River tubes, the service advisories always say to use the nearby York St/High St station instead of backtracking.

 

I swear, some of you guys like swinging for the fence when all it takes is a ground ball to win the game. The objective of any potential tube closure is to provide the best possible service at minimal expense, not to remake the 1972 Vignelli map and have every line go somewhere else on basically amounts to a whim.

[Wallyhorse]

Lance:

You also have to consider the Casino at Aqueduct into the equation.  I would think Genting (the company that operates it) would NOT accept the being local in Brooklyn during any closure of the Cranberry tube (in Manhattan, it's not as big a deal since the express only skips three stations south of 59th).   That was another factor in my having the split during this while the operates via the Rutgers tube aside from having service at High Street.

[Lance]

If it bothers them so much, they can pony up some money and run whatever the hell they want to. Until then, this will likely be the plan of action if both tubes are closed off. Besides, I was under the impression that most people either drove to the casino or used the buses from Midtown.

[cl94]

Lance:

 

You also have to consider the Casino at Aqueduct into the equation.  I would think Genting (the company that operates it) would NOT accept the being local in Brooklyn during any closure of the Cranberry tube (in Manhattan, it's not as big a deal since the express only skips three stations south of 59th).   That was another factor in my having the split during this while the operates via the Rutgers tube aside from having service at High Street.

 

Can you quit it with the damn racino? Take the to a bus if you don't like going local in Brooklyn. It doesn't add that much time.

 

If it bothers them so much, they can pony up some money and run whatever the hell they want to. Until then, this will likely be the plan of action if both tubes are closed off. Besides, I was under the impression that most people either drove to the casino or used the buses from Midtown.

 

I honestly think he's just trying to make us drunk.

[R32 3838]

OK, according to the MTA:

 

 

Both the & as well as the will have sandy work on both tubes on a series weekend and late night closeres, the MTA confirmed that its not going to be around the clock work like the , and the major work is set to begin in October

 

Source:

http://gothamist.com/2014/04/02/sandy_subway_4eva.php

Say If they close both tubes at the same time on weekends

 

You would see the to CI GO make a comeback

 

Also that special shuttle would have to comeback ( Jay st metrotecth)

 

But I see them doing 1 tube at a time, but if both tubes are closed then 2 or 1 out of the 2 GO's would happen

[Wallyhorse]

If both the Rutgers and Cranberry tubes are completely closed at the same time, how I would handle it is this:

runs in two sections:
207th Street-Chambers Street platform (Express) with a single-track shuttle between Chambers and Fulton

High Street to Lefferts Boulevard or Far Rockaway (local in Brooklyn).

Rockaway Park is extended to Broadway Junction and runs express between there and Euclid Avenue.
Late-night Lefferts Boulevard also is extended to Broadway Junction in the same manner.

runs normal to West 4th, then via the and then to the Broadway Junction platform, where it terminates and runs overnights on this re-route.

runs in two sections:
179th Street to 2nd Avenue OR Chambers Street station (alternating trains) with LIMITED service to Delancey Street (late nights to 2nd Avenue or Delancey Street ONLY)
York Street to Coney Island in Brooklyn

is extended on both ends and runs Coney Island to 71st-Continental

is extended to 9th Avenue in Brooklyn at all times via Montauge and the 4th Avenue line.

[Lance]

They won't close both tubes of both East River crossings at the same time. Doing so would send everyone over to the 2, 3 and 4 lines and overwhelm those lines. The idea I suggested earlier in this thread will likely be the MTA plan for action for Cranberry (only pending a full closure). Any full closure of Rutgers (once again if necessary), will likely follow the Rutgers FASTRACK plan.

 

And by the way, for everyone's safety, I recommend suspending the drinking game for the rest of the day.

[R32 3838]

If both the Rutgers and Cranberry tubes are completely closed at the same time, how I would handle it is this:

 

runs in two sections:

207th Street-Chambers Street platform (Express) with a single-track shuttle between Chambers and Fulton

High Street to Lefferts Boulevard or Far Rockaway (local in Brooklyn).

 

Rockaway Park is extended to Broadway Junction and runs express between there and Euclid Avenue.

Late-night Lefferts Boulevard also is extended to Broadway Junction in the same manner.

 

runs normal to West 4th, then via the and then to the Broadway Junction platform, where it terminates and runs overnights on this re-route.

 

runs in two sections:

179th Street to 2nd Avenue OR Chambers Street station (alternating trains) with LIMITED service to Delancey Street (late nights to 2nd Avenue or Delancey Street ONLY)

York Street to Coney Island in Brooklyn

 

is extended on both ends and runs Coney Island to 71st-Continental

 

is extended to 9th Avenue in Brooklyn at all times via Montauge and the 4th Avenue line.

 

NO, that plan would be a waste of time, this is just a weekend and night thing, i said if THEY did close both tubes I only see 2 options happening not a whole bunch of craziness to confuse more passengers more, I doubt they close both tubes at the same time on a weekend, i was just sharing my input on a what if situation

[R32 3838]

And why would you need the on queens blvd on weekends and nights with all the GO's, you wouldn't need all of those service changes that you said just for a simple GO

[YankeesPwnMets]

OK, according to the MTA:

 

 

Both the & as well as the will have sandy work on both tubes on a series weekend and late night closeres, the MTA confirmed that its not going to be around the clock work like the , and the major work is set to begin in October

 

Source:

http://gothamist.com/2014/04/02/sandy_subway_4eva.php

Say If they close both tubes at the same time on weekends

 

You would see the to CI GO make a comeback

 

Also that special shuttle would have to comeback ( Jay st metrotecth)

 

But I see them doing 1 tube at a time, but if both tubes are closed then 2 or 1 out of the 2 GO's would happen

A from Essex to Prospect would be nice for the Rutgers issue so that riders can take the from Essex to MetroTech and connect to the there, but your average rider would have no clue that they could use the

[R32 3838]

A from Essex to Prospect would be nice for the Rutgers issue so that riders can take the from Essex to MetroTech and connect to the there, but your average rider would have no clue that they could use the

That is true, but it would be smart to do that if both tubes are closed

 

They would have to turn the at delancy if they did that