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If I had a quarter for every single time one of these Brexiters whined and moaned about brown people taking jobs...

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If I had a quarter for every single time one of these Brexiters whined and moaned about brown people taking jobs...

Their concern is more with foreigners of all colors coming in and taking jobs period (white, brown, doesn't matter), and there is an influx of white Europeans invading the UK as well. The problem is they aren't exactly skilled in most cases.  Ultimately, the people have voted for what they think is right for their country, and I applaud them for taking a stand. If Scotland and Northern Ireland want to stay in the EU, good for them, but the UK has a parliament, and shouldn't have to go begging to Brussels for everything that it wants to do.   

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Their concern is more with foreigners of all colors coming in and taking jobs period (white, brown, doesn't matter), and there is an influx of white Europeans invading the UK as well. The problem is they aren't exactly skilled in most cases.  Ultimately, the people have voted for what they think is right for their country, and I applaud them for taking a stand. If Scotland and Northern Ireland want to stay in the EU, good for them, but the UK has a parliament, and shouldn't have to go begging to Brussels for everything that it wants to do.   

 

But that concern is completely false and invalid. Two-thirds of UK businesses don't want to leave the EU and most economists (not people on some online forum) see the exit as a real economic threat to the country. The younger generation, with much more potential and knowledge, and with higher stakes in the future, is being screwed. The Brexiters, the older and uneducated blue collar workers, are the type that loves to blame others for their own failures in life. Not the immigrant's fault that they decided to pursue jobs that require minimal skill and not pursue higher education. Now they beg and whine to their politicians to protect them from their own shortfalls.

 

And if anyone hasn't noticed, the irony in the UK leaving the EU for fear of foreigners is so damn rich. These are the guys who for centuries invaded and perverted (and may I add successfully) half the known world.

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But that concern is completely false and invalid. Two-thirds of UK businesses don't want to leave the EU and most economists (not people on some online forum) see the exit as a real economic threat to the country. The younger generation, with much more potential and knowledge, and with higher stakes in the future, is being screwed. The Brexiters, the older and uneducated blue collar workers, are the type that loves to blame others for their own failures in life. Not the immigrant's fault that they decided to pursue jobs that require minimal skill and not pursue higher education. Now they beg and whine to their politicians to protect them from their own shortfalls.

 

And if anyone hasn't noticed, the irony in the UK leaving the EU for fear of foreigners is so damn rich. These are the guys who for centuries invaded and perverted (and may I add successfully) half the known world.

Oh please. The "economists" have their own interests in mind, and they generally favor these sorts of deals like Brussels has tried to create so that multinational companies can continue to get cheap labor and rape the middle class of good jobs.  This is exactly the type of rhetoric that Trump wants to stop here in the U.S. and why he's gaining traction over crooked Hillary.  Globalism has become so big now that any sort of nationalistic pose supposedly destroys economies.  The pound went down considerably, but it will still hold its own in the long run.  There is a reason the UK kept its currency when it joined the EU... They have a damn strong economy, and still have the fifth largest economy in the world.  It is the immigrant's fault for coming over and trying to take advantage of the generous benefits that countries like the UK have, and it's happening all over Europe (particularly Western Europe, with Eastern Europe and other impoverished countries basically sending over all of their people (unskilled mainly) for jobs that in some cases don't exist), putting an unnecessary burden on the wealthier countries.  They may all yell about how so many of them work and pay into the system, but plenty of them don't and they take far more than they give back (assuming they're even legal in the first place).  

 

It's time for the U.S. to take a similar stance, get rid these disastrous trade deals and make America great again.  You love "free" trade huh?  Wonder how you're doing financially.  The standard of living for most Americans continues to dwindle as wages stagnate, but keep believing that having an open door policy is the answer.  Oh and all of those young folks that want to stay in the EU probably can't even afford their own place, so what do they know.  Most young Americans that claim they're so liberal can vote that way because they get to live at home with mommy and daddy while they continue to be jobless and they keep thinking the Democrats are for them. LOL

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I have usually refrained from posting messages like this on the NYCTForums, but this is pretty personal to me.
 
 

About a year ago in March or something, an acquaintance from my previous semester asked me if I wanted a job. I asked him what type of job it was, and he didn't say what it was. He just kept saying it could do some very good for me and my family. An odd tone, considering I live comfortably and my family is not exactly poor. He tells me to meet his friend, who was the one actually inviting people for a look. So the time comes and I go to Hutchinson Metro Center at the Atrium, where this "job" meeting (I assumed, very wrongly) was being held. I was dressed very nicely, because I had really thought it might be a job interview.
 
There were about 30 to 40 people in attendance. For a moment I thought it was an investment seminar. The group holding the meeting/convention was ACN, a telecommunications company. Okay, so it's not a job convention, it's a company offering jobs, I thought. I sat and listened to what they were about and how one could "earn" money. They offer various services, including "faster" internet, phone, and television, the usual cable company deal. In order to make money, one has to convince two or more people to become customers of ACN, what they called an IBO (Independent Business Owner). The share of those profits would go to the IBO. To keep money coming in, the customers could themselves become IBOs and in turn convince more people to become ACN customers, and if those guys wanted to "earn" money, they could become IBOs, and so on.
 
A pyramid scheme.
 
Well, it wasn't a pyramid scheme (according to them). Because there were different levels of IBOs. I don't remember, but I think it might have been Gold, Platinum, or some bs like that, and depending on how many people you had pulled in, you got "promoted". One could be a lower level person relative to the person above, but they could have IBOs under their control that were higher level (if for example they got more customers that you). I heard testimonies from about 3 or 4 people, including this business owner who had had about three different businesses (furniture and stuff) before. In his own words, he said that he had worked his butt off for decades, receiving little, until he joined ACN, and now he doesn't have to worry. He managed to convince his dentist to get in the deal whilst at his appointment. The testimonies and the slides continue until break time. My acquaintance's friend asked me if I was interested in joining in. I have accompanied some friends to investment seminars before, like Kiyosaki's Rich Dad, Poor Dad, and these seminars always end with them wanting to you to purchase their program for hundreds of dollars.
 
He wanted me to join for $400. 
 
Just fork over $400, like that.
 
For a complete stranger! He spent 10 minutes trying to convince me to join. I was actually frightened by it and when the break finished, I ran out. It was a very embarrassing ordeal. This seems pretty irrelevant to what you just wrote. But I remember that business owner (sleazy looking, btw) for something else he said.
 
Donald J. Trump was ACN's spokeman.
 
Sleazy Business Owner went on and on about how Trump really loved ACN and praised its business model, and when Trump supported your company, it was a very big deal, and that ACN provided services at his hotels and casinos. I didn't think much about this entire ordeal until this year.
 
The year Donald J. Trump is running for President of the United States.
 
I remembered Sleazy Business Owner's message about Trump and ACN. And within these last months hearing about Trump University and his failed ventures and the FOUR businesses of his that have gone bankrupt, it is very clear to me that Trump is just a very SLEAZY salesman. His business model is very heavily slanted towards pyramid schemes.
 
And the way he talks! It is very childish. Just compare his speech transcripts to those of Abraham Lincoln, Roosevelt, Kennedy, Reagan and Obama. Compare him to ANY Presidential candidate before him, and You will notice a very noticeable drop in intelligence and sophistication. He is breaking the mold, alright. For being the most brainless and simpleton presidential candidate ever.
 
Hilary Clinton might be crooked, but Trump is a very rotten salesman. Bernie Sanders would have been the ideal candidate, but unfortunately he is out. And I prefer someone with some dumb email problems than to someone who has a proven track record of convincing gullible people into forking over money for failed ventures.
 

 

When (and if) Donald J. Trump gets elected, you will be in for a very ugly surprise.
 
 
 
Don’t believe me?
 
I looked up how ACN was doing, and it appears that they broke off their relationship.
 
In doing so, Trump has flat out denied knowing anything about the company.
 
Which is, of course, a lie.
 
 
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KldFzixiwvM
 
 

 
 
 
http://www.nationalreview.com/article/432709/donald-trump-american-communications-network-multi-level-marketing-boondoggle
 
Trump’s Multi-Level Marketing Telecom Endorsement Is Another Example of His Terrible Judgement
By Ian Tuttle — March 14, 2016
In an interview with the Wall Street Journal last August on the subject of his relationship with ACN, formerly the “American Communications Network,” Donald Trump was unequivocal: “I do not know the company. I know nothing about the company other than the people who run the company,” he said. “I’m not familiar with what they do or how they go about doing that.”
That was a surprising statement, given that, from 2006 until he announced his presidential bid in 2015, Trump was easily ACN’s most famous unofficial spokesman. For nearly a decade, Trump appeared in promotional videos touting ACN’s “revolutionary products,” he devoted an episode of NBC’s The Celebrity Apprentice to ACN’s “revolutionary” videophone, and he earned millions of dollars giving speeches at ACN events as recently as early 2015. Introducing ACN executives Greg Provenzano and Mike Cupisz on The Celebrity Apprentice in 2011, Trump said: “They run a company called ACN, which I know very well.”
Why, then, after a nine-year relationship, is Donald Trump so eager to dissociate himself from ACN?
Founded in 1993 in Michigan (it moved to North Carolina in 2008), ACN is a telecommunications company that relies on multi-level marketing: An ACN sales agent — or “Independent Business Owner” — receives a commission for selling an ACN product to a new customer and recruits that customer as a new sales agent, thereby securing commissions for that person’s sales, and so on “downline.” As the company advertised in a promotional video, “The key to ACN’s remarkable business opportunity is the power of residual income. Rather than receiving a onetime commission for acquiring a new customer, you receive a percentage of your customer’s monthly bills for as long as they continue to use the services.”
But a fine line separates multi-level marketing operations from pyramid schemes, as Donald Trump well knows. From 2009 to 2011, Trump himself ran a multi-level marketing enterprise — The Trump NetworkTM — using more than 20,000 recruiters to sell dubious nutritional supplements. The Trump Network has long been accused of being a pyramid scheme.
Likewise ACN. And while ACN has enjoyed far more success than the Trump Network ever achieved — by the time Trump endorsed it in 2006, ACN had been featured in prominent business journals and had extended operations overseas — it also has raised the suspicions of regulators in three countries. In Canada and Australia, courts eventually ruled that ACN was not running a pyramid scheme. But in the United States, the situation has been more complicated.
In August 2010, Montana Securities and Insurance Commissioner Monica Lindeen issued a cease-and-desist order against ACN, on the grounds that it appeared to be operating a pyramid scheme. According to the Journal, the order alleged that “312 Montana participants in 2009 paid about $235,000 in various fees to ACN, but received less than $17,000 in compensation. According to the filing, of that $17,000, less than $900 was related to direct sales of telecom services to nonparticipants.” Lindeen eventually determined that the actions that prompted the investigation were the fault of independent ACN representatives, not the company’s business model, and ACN agreed to supply additional training to its representatives.
But while ACN disputed Lindeen’s numbers, there is reason to believe they might have been indicative. In Canada, where ACN is required to submit income figures for its sales agents, the average “active” marketer made $500 in 2010. Keep in mind: Then as now it cost $499 to become an “Independent Business Owner,” and participants are encouraged to spend $39.99 a month on the “Your Business Assistant,” an optional package of tools, but one that ACN president Provenzano says “every single person out there who is serious about winning needs.” In addition, ACN Training Events cost upwards of $149 to $189, not including food, travel, and hotel expenses. Finally, ACN representatives must renew their IBO status annually — an additional $149. It is little wonder that, as ACN attorney Bob Stephans told Los Angeles’s FOX affiliate, “The majority probably do not make a profit.”
Montana is not the only place where ACN has faced legal action. In North Carolina, ACN and its affiliate, Xoom Energy (ACN also is involved in the energy sector), are embroiled in a class-action lawsuit alleging, among other things, a violation of the North Carolina Unfair and Deceptive Trade Practices Act. According to the suit, filed by plaintiff Oladipupo Adesina, ACN and Xoom knowingly made a “false and misleading” sales pitch, promising savings for Adesina if he switched to Xoom. When he did, Xoom raised his rate to more than 30 percent what the local utility company was charging during the same period.
The lawsuit includes the text of almost three dozen online complaints alleging similar acts of fraud against ACN and/or Xoom. And an investigation by New York City’s ABC affiliate found similar stories locally. Former ACN salesman Robert Spitzer told ABC-7 that he was unintentionally “robbing people,” adding, “I pitch to them that they can save money, but it’s the exact opposite.” ABC-7 also went undercover in an ACN recruitment meeting and “asked two salesmen the company’s boasted as its most successful to explain how they do it.” The footage showed the salesmen promising savings, which an ACN representative later said should not have happened.
The FOX investigation above was equally damning.
But — these accusations aside — there may be still another reason why Donald Trump is not keen to emphasize his relationship with ACN: The most public part of it, in 2011, showcased yet another failure by a man who claims to have the Midas Touch.
In 2010, Donald Trump proclaimed that ACN’s new videophone would “literally revolutionize the way we communicate.” He was not entirely wrong: Skype, Apple’s FaceTime, and similar products are now ubiquitous. But it was supposed to be an ACN product in every home, and Donald Trump threw the weight of his influence behind that objective.
Besides promotional videos, Trump devoted an episode of the fourth season of The Celebrity Apprentice to the “revolutionary” videophone, tasking the two teams of contestants with filming 30-second commercials for the product, which they premiered at an event in front of 450 ACN sales reps. Before the episode aired, ACN printed a news release in which Trump called the ACN videophone “amazing” and declared, “I simply can’t imagine anybody using this phone and not loving it.”
Trump’s sentiments were not universally shared. According to the Wall Street Journal, citing regulatory filings, even before the episode was broadcast ACN “had slashed orders for the phone from its supplier, which laid off 70 percent of its staff just before the show aired and later filed to liquidate in federal bankruptcy court,” details that Trump did not disclose to viewers.
He also did not mention his lucrative speaking appearances. It’s not clear how much Trump was earning at the time from appearances at ACN events, but financial disclosures submitted to the Federal Election Commission last year show that, between May 2014 and July 2015, Trump pocketed $1.35 million from ANC for three speeches — $450,000 per appearance.
As for the videophone, Trump explained to the Journal that it was a good product, but that “technology’s rapid pace had killed it by the time the show aired five months after filming.”
The explanation is ironic. In the late 2000s, in another 
, Trump announced proudly: “The two things I’ve mastered over the years are understanding the importance of timing in business, and the ability to recognize great opportunities and also great people.”
Well. Even Homer nods.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

This is the guy you want for President. This is one of those rich guys you think "earned" his way to the top and has the "right" keep the money. This is the one guy who actually depends on handouts.

 

 

 

You really deserve him to have a sleazebag like him.

 

 

And I haven't even gone into his Mafia dealings...

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I have usually refrained from posting messages like this on the NYCTForums, but this is pretty personal to me.

 

 

 

About a year ago in March or something, an acquaintance from my previous semester asked me if I wanted a job. I asked him what type of job it was, and he didn't say what it was. He just kept saying it could do some very good for me and my family. An odd tone, considering I live comfortably and my family is not exactly poor. He tells me to meet his friend, who was the one actually inviting people for a look. So the time comes and I go to Hutchinson Metro Center at the Atrium, where this "job" meeting (I assumed, very wrongly) was being held. I was dressed very nicely, because I had really thought it might be a job interview.

 

There were about 30 to 40 people in attendance. For a moment I thought it was an investment seminar. The group holding the meeting/convention was ACN, a telecommunications company. Okay, so it's not a job convention, it's a company offering jobs, I thought. I sat and listened to what they were about and how one could "earn" money. They offer various services, including "faster" internet, phone, and television, the usual cable company deal. In order to make money, one has to convince two or more people to become customers of ACN, what they called an IBO (Independent Business Owner). The share of those profits would go to the IBO. To keep money coming in, the customers could themselves become IBOs and in turn convince more people to become ACN customers, and if those guys wanted to "earn" money, they could become IBOs, and so on.

 

A pyramid scheme.

 

Well, it wasn't a pyramid scheme (according to them). Because there were different levels of IBOs. I don't remember, but I think it might have been Gold, Platinum, or some bs like that, and depending on how many people you had pulled in, you got "promoted". One could be a lower level person relative to the person above, but they could have IBOs under their control that were higher level (if for example they got more customers that you). I heard testimonies from about 3 or 4 people, including this business owner who had had about three different businesses (furniture and stuff) before. In his own words, he said that he had worked his butt off for decades, receiving little, until he joined ACN, and now he doesn't have to worry. He managed to convince his dentist to get in the deal whilst at his appointment. The testimonies and the slides continue until break time. My acquaintance's friend asked me if I was interested in joining in. I have accompanied some friends to investment seminars before, like Kiyosaki's Rich Dad, Poor Dad, and these seminars always end with them wanting to you to purchase their program for hundreds of dollars.

 

He wanted me to join for $400. 

 

Just fork over $400, like that.

 

For a complete stranger! He spent 10 minutes trying to convince me to join. I was actually frightened by it and when the break finished, I ran out. It was a very embarrassing ordeal. This seems pretty irrelevant to what you just wrote. But I remember that business owner (sleazy looking, btw) for something else he said.

 

Donald J. Trump was ACN's spokeman.

 

Sleazy Business Owner went on and on about how Trump really loved ACN and praised its business model, and when Trump supported your company, it was a very big deal, and that ACN provided services at his hotels and casinos. I didn't think much about this entire ordeal until this year.

 

The year Donald J. Trump is running for President of the United States.

 

I remembered Sleazy Business Owner's message about Trump and ACN. And within these last months hearing about Trump University and his failed ventures and the FOUR businesses of his that have gone bankrupt, it is very clear to me that Trump is just a very SLEAZY salesman. His business model is very heavily slanted towards pyramid schemes.

 

And the way he talks! It is very childish. Just compare his speech transcripts to those of Abraham Lincoln, Roosevelt, Kennedy, Reagan and Obama. Compare him to ANY Presidential candidate before him, and You will notice a very noticeable drop in intelligence and sophistication. He is breaking the mold, alright. For being the most brainless and simpleton presidential candidate ever.

 

Hilary Clinton might be crooked, but Trump is a very rotten salesman. Bernie Sanders would have been the ideal candidate, but unfortunately he is out. And I prefer someone with some dumb email problems than to someone who has a proven track record of convincing gullible people into forking over money for failed ventures.

 

 

When (and if) Donald J. Trump gets elected, you will be in for a very ugly surprise.

 

 

 

Don’t believe me?

 

I looked up how ACN was doing, and it appears that they broke off their relationship.

 

In doing so, Trump has flat out denied knowing anything about the company.

 

Which is, of course, a lie.

 

 

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KldFzixiwvM

 

 

 

 

 

http://www.nationalreview.com/article/432709/donald-trump-american-communications-network-multi-level-marketing-boondoggle

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

This is the guy you want for President.

 

 

You really deserve him.

Are you kidding me? Dumb e-mail problems?  You clearly have no idea how serious the allegations are against Hillary, and it's far more than just dumb e-mails.  She was the Secretary of State sending e-mails that were marked as secret and top secret in some cases, which means that she could've put lives in jeopardy for his foolish act.  I'm glad that you trivialize something like that.  As for Trump and has failed businesses, tons of businesses go bust here in the US, so I'm not going to judge him solely on the fact that some of his ventures have failed or even on the fact that people are coming after him for supposedly deceiving them.  Nobody said that Trump was a saint.  Trump is NOT a politician, so he isn't going to come across as polished, and that's precisely why many people like him.  Change is needed, and who cares if someone like Obama can give nice speeches.  What counts are the results.  So Obama is very elegant and politically correct... Do you think the millions of people that are unemployed or have reduced salaries care about that?  Please.  We had an abysmal jobs report of 38,000 new jobs in May.  You need to wake up to reality and what is going on.

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You say that results count. Trump's results have been abysmal.

 

The reality is that you just glossed over the fact that Trump has an actual record of fooling people.

 

And that is the worst of Clinton. Emails that MAY have put people's lives at stake, but didn't. And guess what? Not even your Republicans found wrongdoing on her part in Benghazi. How many times have they tried to find in vain for something and found nothing?

 

Trump has a real record of being federally sued various times. Trump University, sexual harassment, cheating out workers from funds, the list goes on.

 

You're voting in a cheap salesman into office. He won't be capable of even doing a quarter of the stuff you want him to do.

 

Why? Because you're gullible. Just like his other victims.

 

And I am happy you brought those jobs up. I remember years ago you kept whining about how Obama was gonna wreck the economy and how many people were going to be unemployed and how this was gonna be the worst economy ever. Too bad you can't say that anymore, because now the worst you can say is that only 38,000 new jobs were created.

 

 

I have given you real, strong evidence, and you reply with a measly argument, which you can't even back up with anything other than opinion.

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You say that results count. Trump's results have been abysmal.

 

The reality is that you just glossed over the fact that Trump has an actual record of fooling people.

 

And that is the worst of Clinton. Emails that MAY have put people's lives at stake, but didn't. And guess what? Not even your Republicans found wrongdoing on her part in Benghazi. How many times have they tried to find in vain for something and found nothing?

 

Trump has a real record of being federally sued various times. Trump University, sexual harassment, cheating out workers from funds, the list goes on.

 

You're voting in a cheap salesman into office. He won't be capable of even doing a quarter of the stuff you want him to do.

 

Why? Because you're gullible. Just like his other victims.

 

And I am happy you brought those jobs up. I remember years ago you kept whining about how Obama was gonna wreck the economy and how many people were going to be unemployed and how this was gonna be the worst economy ever. Too bad you can't say that anymore, because now the worst you can say is that only 38,000 new jobs were created.

 

 

I have given you real, strong evidence, and you reply with a measly argument, which you can't even back up with anything other than opinion.

Trump is a businessman who has been around for YEARS and despite some failed business ventures, is still doing quite well overall, so it's a gamble worth taking IMO.  Of course he's going to have problems, and sure he's likely screwed over people along the way.  I don't doubt that for a second, but Hillary is even worse IMO.  She is running a campaign talking about how she is fighting for America, when she's been in bed with the very same banks she's so vehemently against (i.e. Goldman Sachs) for years, so don't kid yourself with her.  She is incredibly BORING, and comes across as doing or saying anything that she thinks will be appeasing to get votes, and for that alone I can't stand her.  Yes, Trump has been vague, but the man speaks his mind, and for the most part has been consistent about his stance on issues.

 

As for Obama, he has had eight years to turn the economy around and guess what?  We're likely heading into a recession under his watch.  Growth has been anemic at best, and you can feel free to look that up since it is well known. Yes, unemployment is down overall, and has continued to decrease under him, but the issue is how many people actually stopped looking for jobs because they couldn't find anything, and how many of them are working part-time jobs versus the full-time jobs they actually had before or want?  That information isn't tracked, so if we looked at his numbers overall, it's very deceiving, and let's not even talk about Obamacare... It's been a disaster. I know numerous people that voted for him that are so angry with what he rammed through.... Anything but affordable, but they wanted him in office so now they got what they wanted. lol

 

Back to Trump... I'm not gullible at all.  Given the last two presidents we've had in office, all of whom haven't done much (that includes Bush by the way who I never voted for), I say why not give someone else a chance?  I mean really, Hillary should be clobbering Trump by a landslide.  Trump has NO experience in politics, and yet he's trailing her by less than 10 points in most polls.  What does that say about Clinton?  Furthermore, she couldn't even beat Obama, and she was the first lady of the country for eight years.  That's pretty pathetic.  And before you yell about me being a "Republican", I'm a registered Independent who has voted for Democrats, Republicans, Third Party candidates and the like.  

 

At the very least, Trump is talking about the issues affecting Americans... Lopsided trade agreements, terrorism, illegal immigrants... Issues that Hillary doesn't want to discuss. She wants to play the old we have to stand "united" BS line that has been said over and over again.  Tired, old and stale... 

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The younger generation, with much more potential and knowledge, and with higher stakes in the future, is being screwed. The Brexiters, the older and uneducated blue collar workers, are the type that loves to blame others for their own failures in life.

 

Are we really going to go ahead and blame older people for their voting results, and not the younger generation, who not only didn't vote, but then had the nerve to go on Twitter and propose that old people should be banned from voting all together? If the youth didn't want Brexit to happen they should have gone out and voted, but instead the voter turnout from younger generations was abysmal.

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Are we really going to go ahead and blame older people for their voting results, and not the younger generation, who not only didn't vote, but then had the nerve to go on Twitter and propose that old people should be banned from voting all together? If the youth didn't want Brexit to happen they should have gone out and voted, but instead the voter turnout from younger generations was abysmal.

Exactly.  Besides the fact that they aren't really affected anyway, since most still live at home comfortably with their parents, who are the ones out there working and trying to keep afloat.  

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And why the hell two people are bringing up Trump/Clinton in a thread about the UK referendum is beyond me; one has comparatively little to do with the other.  It would be nice for once if I could post a relatively neutral current events topic without it being entirely derailed... you know?

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And why the hell two people are bringing up Trump/Clinton in a thread about the UK referendum is beyond me; one has comparatively little to do with the other.  It would be nice for once if I could post a relatively neutral current events topic without it being entirely derailed... you know?

If you don't think that Brexit isn't related to the current political climate here is the US, you are sadly mistaken...  

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If you don't think that Brexit isn't related to the current political climate here is the US, you are sadly mistaken...

Texas is talking about secession amid the Brexit hoopla...

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Texas is talking about secession amid the Brexit hoopla...

So I've heard... I think it's more talk than anything at this point...  If the economy continues to struggle across Western Europe, I think you will see more referendums held throughout the EU.  It pains me to see what is happening in Italy right now.  We are literally facing an immigration crisis, and Germany (particularly due to Angela Merkel) refuses to aid in mitigating the problem.  Most of the far right parties in Italy, Germany, Austria and the Netherlands, and the Scandinavian countries (i.e. Denmark in particular) have seen a rise in votes and in strength, so it will be an interesting next few months, especially if Merkel's government is ousted in 2017, though there appears to be no formidable challenger at the moment, but the AfD (Alternative für Deutschland (Alternative for Germany)) is gaining popularity.  The situation that led to Brexit is a global problem, with the rich countries facing stagnating wages for the middle class, with an influx of illegal immigration that is out of control (the U.S. is included in this).  It's one reason Trump has become so popular, and why Hillary's approach may not work.  

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As an American, I have always believed in the right of all people to self determination.

 

If the British vote to Brexit, that is their choice.

 

If Iran wants to live under an Islamic Repubic, that is their choice.

 

If some country wants to live under a brutal dictator, that is their choice.

 

It is not my place, nor America's, to decide how they should be governed because that is their choice. Same as I wouldn't want China telling me how my country should be run.

 

In the coming years there is going to be a real serious worldwide talk about the "global economy" and how it only seems to be good for large corporations that pit poor countries against developed ones to erode the quality of life in the developed ones by weakening their working class in the name of generating greater and greater profits. Developed countries are waking up to this, and realizing it isn't good. The reaction of the masses may be in favor of more diplomatic isolation, which is not a good thing, rather than protectionism among developed countries. How this situation plays out, and how the masses are ultimately placated, since unrest is rampant all over the developed world, will be one of the great questions of this generation.

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