Transit Enthusiast Posted August 1, 2021 Share #1 Posted August 1, 2021 We are entering August, and this could possibly be the final month of Old Gens in Manhattan. With roughly 55 left in service across the 3 Depots (12 in Manhattanville, roughly 24 in Quill and 27 in Manhattanville) and with newer buses being delivered every week it seems, is this the swan song of possibly one of the more reliable buses in NYC? If so, it's the end of a 19 year era in MaBSTOA (if you include the CNGs in the Bronx). 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iron Valiant Posted August 1, 2021 Share #2 Posted August 1, 2021 32 minutes ago, Transit Enthusiast said: We are entering August, and this could possibly be the final month of Old Gens in Manhattan. With roughly 55 left in service across the 3 Depots (12 in Manhattanville, roughly 24 in Quill and 27 in Manhattanville) and with newer buses being delivered every week it seems, is this the swan song of possibly one of the more reliable buses in NYC? If so, it's the end of a 19 year era in MaBSTOA (if you include the CNGs in the Bronx). You wrote Manhattanville twice instead of Mother Clara Hale. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Transit Enthusiast Posted August 1, 2021 Author Share #3 Posted August 1, 2021 6 hours ago, Transit Enthusiast said: We are entering August, and this could possibly be the final month of Old Gens in Manhattan. With roughly 55 left in service across the 3 Depots (12 in Manhattanville, roughly 24 in Quill and 27 in Mother Clara Hale) and with newer buses being delivered every week it seems, is this the swan song of possibly one of the more reliable buses in NYC? If so, it's the end of a 19 year era in MaBSTOA (if you include the CNGs in the Bronx). 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R32 3838 Posted August 2, 2021 Share #4 Posted August 2, 2021 17 hours ago, Transit Enthusiast said: We are entering August, and this could possibly be the final month of Old Gens in Manhattan. With roughly 55 left in service across the 3 Depots (12 in Manhattanville, roughly 24 in Quill and 27 in Manhattanville) and with newer buses being delivered every week it seems, is this the swan song of possibly one of the more reliable buses in NYC? If so, it's the end of a 19 year era in MaBSTOA (if you include the CNGs in the Bronx). they aren't as reliable as you think. Their MDBF are terrible compared to other buses 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MHV9218 Posted August 2, 2021 Share #5 Posted August 2, 2021 Quill's buses might be there for a little while. Manhattanville can pull off a bus-for-bus replacement, as can MCH, but if they want to retire troublesome NGs at the same time from MV, they might not necessarily move their whole fleet over to Quill. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoSpectacular Posted August 3, 2021 Share #6 Posted August 3, 2021 On 8/2/2021 at 3:50 AM, R32 3838 said: they aren't as reliable as you think. Their MDBF are terrible compared to other buses They're also not very fun or comfortable to drive based on personal experience... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iron Valiant Posted August 3, 2021 Share #7 Posted August 3, 2021 15 minutes ago, SoSpectacular said: They're also not very fun or comfortable to drive based on personal experience... Would it be the same with the 08-10 NG Hybrids? I've heard that drivers have an easier time with those. Based on that and everything else I've seen and experienced on them, they seem like they're one of the most reliable buses in NYCT. Could that be the reason they're used frequently for driver training? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Future ENY OP Posted August 4, 2021 Share #8 Posted August 4, 2021 On 8/2/2021 at 10:01 AM, MHV9218 said: Quill's buses might be there for a little while. Manhattanville can pull off a bus-for-bus replacement, as can MCH, but if they want to retire troublesome NGs at the same time from MV, they might not necessarily move their whole fleet over to Quill. Some may go to Queens Village. I don’t think the Brooklyn Division won’t have a need for those Manhattan NG’s unless it’s a depot to depot swap within the BK division. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4P3607 Posted August 4, 2021 Share #9 Posted August 4, 2021 What's surprised me about this is how most of the Queens (Bus co) units remain in service (for now) while units of equal or older age are being retired at Transit yet they're the same exact buses. Not surprised that it's LGA and JFK that has the majority. BP and FR are still 100% Old Gens and I suggest anyone reading this make time to get some content before they recieve any NGs or replacements which could happen any day at this rate. 6693, 6724 and 6725 were out today for Manhattanville. MHV is the only depot that has lines serving the upper Manhattan parks, so the opportunity to get an Old Gen in service at Ft Tyron or Ft George is very soon about to be history. I'm surprised the remaining MHV units even made it into August, although in comparison the last few green sign 63/400s held on a little while past the others in 2019. All of the lower 3500s remain for now. I do wonder if any specific units have not seen service for a while. As someone who grew up with the OGs at LGA it's going to be different not seeing them anymore quite soon. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iron Valiant Posted August 4, 2021 Share #10 Posted August 4, 2021 16 minutes ago, 4P3607 said: What's surprised me about this is how most of the Queens (Bus co) units remain in service (for now) while units of equal or older age are being retired at Transit yet they're the same exact buses. Not surprised that it's LGA and JFK that has the majority. BP and FR are still 100% Old Gens and I suggest anyone reading this make time to get some content before they recieve any NGs or replacements which could happen any day at this rate. 6693, 6724 and 6725 were out today for Manhattanville. MHV is the only depot that has lines serving the upper Manhattan parks, so the opportunity to get an Old Gen in service at Ft Tyron or Ft George is very soon about to be history. I'm surprised the remaining MHV units even made it into August, although in comparison the last few green sign 63/400s held on a little while past the others in 2019. All of the lower 3500s remain for now. I do wonder if any specific units have not seen service for a while. As someone who grew up with the OGs at LGA it's going to be different not seeing them anymore quite soon. It's no surprise that Bus Company still has most of their 2006-07 Hybrids while NYCT has already retired most of theirs. Bus Company has only received new standard buses in 2006-07, 2009-10, & 2015. They mostly acquire hand-me-downs from NYCT; they're like the younger sibling company. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoSpectacular Posted August 4, 2021 Share #11 Posted August 4, 2021 15 hours ago, Snorunts said: Would it be the same with the 08-10 NG Hybrids? I've heard that drivers have an easier time with those. Based on that and everything else I've seen and experienced on them, they seem like they're one of the most reliable buses in NYCT. Could that be the reason they're used frequently for driver training? The NGs are a definite night and day difference in both handling and pedal response. One of the biggest gripes with the Old Gen model were the brake pedals which require significant more force to get adequate braking power. Operators tend to complain about knee pain afterwards. Having driven a 6600 out of Zerega for an observation drive I can definitely see where they come from... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Future ENY OP Posted August 4, 2021 Share #12 Posted August 4, 2021 10 hours ago, 4P3607 said: What's surprised me about this is how most of the Queens (Bus co) units remain in service (for now) while units of equal or older age are being retired at Transit yet they're the same exact buses. Not surprised that it's LGA and JFK that has the majority. BP and FR are still 100% Old Gens and I suggest anyone reading this make time to get some content before they recieve any NGs or replacements which could happen any day at this rate. 6693, 6724 and 6725 were out today for Manhattanville. MHV is the only depot that has lines serving the upper Manhattan parks, so the opportunity to get an Old Gen in service at Ft Tyron or Ft George is very soon about to be history. I'm surprised the remaining MHV units even made it into August, although in comparison the last few green sign 63/400s held on a little while past the others in 2019. All of the lower 3500s remain for now. I do wonder if any specific units have not seen service for a while. As someone who grew up with the OGs at LGA it's going to be different not seeing them anymore quite soon. Today's OG's at Manhattanville working: 6709, 6724, 6725. Those HEV's are coming in like hotcakes. Before the end of this year most of Manhattan will be in the new Cuomo scheme. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Transit Enthusiast Posted August 10, 2021 Author Share #13 Posted August 10, 2021 On 8/4/2021 at 7:56 AM, Future ENY OP said: Today's OG's at Manhattanville working: 6709, 6724, 6725. Those HEV's are coming in like hotcakes. Before the end of this year most of Manhattan will be in the new Cuomo scheme. They already are, basically. I'm now basically focusing on Quill and Hale, because finding those Old Gens are gonna be like finding needles in a haystack. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MHV9218 Posted August 11, 2021 Share #14 Posted August 11, 2021 6700 is still running out of Quill, which is a treat, since that was the first bus in that order to get the new paint scheme (not the vinyl half-ass version the CS fleet got), so it still has the Arial font numbers and old decals like the retired 65xx-66xx fleet. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Transit Enthusiast Posted August 12, 2021 Author Share #15 Posted August 12, 2021 5 hours ago, MHV9218 said: 6700 is still running out of Quill, which is a treat, since that was the first bus in that order to get the new paint scheme (not the vinyl half-ass version the CS fleet got), so it still has the Arial font numbers and old decals like the retired 65xx-66xx fleet. #7688 had the same thing, as well as #5684. Those are my favorite font numbers. That doesn't mean #6700 hasn't been running without problems lately. Check out my video of this unit: Thing sounded like it had a broken engine, and was gonna retire that night. Somehow, it made it! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Transit Enthusiast Posted August 12, 2021 Author Share #16 Posted August 12, 2021 Today's Manhattanville Old Gens: #6693, #6709 and #6724 were all out today at some point. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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