I love Trains99 Posted June 19, 2016 Share #1 Posted June 19, 2016 How did terminate at 121 St after Queens Blvd route was shut down. I read up on multiple sources that was single tracked operation and that the Manhattan Bound track was only platform used. The Jamaica bound track was unused until November 1987 when cross switches and ramps into Archer Tunnel was completed. Also i read that would switch over to center track after 111 St and then switch over to Manhattan bound track over Lefferts Blvd. What did the Switches look like at Leffetrs Blvd junction. And how was the operation going with the single tracked at 121 St? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
46Dover Posted June 19, 2016 Share #2 Posted June 19, 2016 I actually rode that when I was younger. I think there's a switch before 121 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BreeddekalbL Posted June 20, 2016 Share #3 Posted June 20, 2016 it's actually after 121 and trains turned were stored on the ramps used to connect the archer subway with the el Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eric B Posted June 20, 2016 Share #4 Posted June 20, 2016 Where did crews report? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R10 2952 Posted June 20, 2016 Share #5 Posted June 20, 2016 I always found the cutback to 121st hard to understand. It's bad enough they prematurely demolished the section to 168th, but the least they could have done is kept Queens Blvd as the terminal from 1985 till 1988- would it really have killed them to keep it open another three years? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I love Trains99 Posted June 20, 2016 Author Share #6 Posted June 20, 2016 I always found the cutback to 121st hard to understand. It's bad enough they prematurely demolished the section to 168th, but the least they could have done is kept Queens Blvd as the terminal from 1985 till 1988- would it really have killed them to keep it open another three years? Archer Av tunnel was completed on both levels by 1983. And if the old section towards Queens Blvd lasted until 1988 that meant the line would opened up by 1992 because the MTA would have to destroy the old structure at 129 St and Jamacia Av and place a new structure. What would made more sense was to allow the to terminate at 111 St and sit on Center Track to turn around. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lance Posted June 20, 2016 Share #7 Posted June 20, 2016 I always found the cutback to 121st hard to understand. It's bad enough they prematurely demolished the section to 168th, but the least they could have done is kept Queens Blvd as the terminal from 1985 till 1988- would it really have killed them to keep it open another three years? They needed to cut the line back to 121 Street because of the ramps that had to be constructed. Running service to Queens Blvd would've impeded on that. With the MTA under the belief that the Archer Ave line was opening "soon", the "temporary" cutback wouldn't be an issue for long. We all know how that turned out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
46Dover Posted June 21, 2016 Share #8 Posted June 21, 2016 They needed to cut the line back to 121 Street because of the ramps that had to be constructed. Running service to Queens Blvd would've impeded on that. With the MTA under the belief that the Archer Ave line was opening "soon", the "temporary" cutback wouldn't be an issue for long. We all know how that turned out. Oh yes.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R10 2952 Posted June 23, 2016 Share #9 Posted June 23, 2016 Well when one considers what a fiasco the Archer Extension project turned out to be, they might as well have never bothered. 5 stations were replaced with 3, business along Jamaica Avenue tanked after the el came down, and the is stuck with a bottleneck for a terminal. A lack of competence if I ever saw one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kamen Rider Posted June 23, 2016 Share #10 Posted June 23, 2016 The businesses wanted the El gone, and not only do we have an inagreated transportation hub, you can get to the Queens Blvd line from the Jamaica. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wallyhorse Posted June 23, 2016 Share #11 Posted June 23, 2016 The businesses wanted the El gone, and not only do we have an inagreated transportation hub, you can get to the Queens Blvd line from the Jamaica. That is true to a major extent, but I believe it was one major retailer that really didn't have any intention of staying there that wanted the El gone and then they could set it up so their customers would go to the main store in Manhattan from what I remember reading several years ago, getting everyone else to come onboard (especially since back then the subways had deteriorated a lot and crime was a big issue). It was still a major mistake to do that before the Archer Avenue line finally did open in 1988. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kamen Rider Posted June 23, 2016 Share #12 Posted June 23, 2016 ...Is everything a conspircy theroy with you..? If they wanted to leave, they would have left. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wallyhorse Posted June 23, 2016 Share #13 Posted June 23, 2016 ...Is everything a conspircy theroy with you..? If they wanted to leave, they would have left. No, as said, that's just what I remembered reading at the time. Anyway, we know the merchants wanted the Jamaica El shut down and it turned into a case of be careful what you wish for regardless of whether the other part was true or not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kamen Rider Posted June 24, 2016 Share #14 Posted June 24, 2016 You read it somewhere? So that automaticly makes it true? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wallyhorse Posted June 25, 2016 Share #15 Posted June 25, 2016 You read it somewhere? So that automaticly makes it true? IIRC it was over at SubChat a few years ago and there was as I remember quite a discussion on it. In the thread, it was noted Macy's and Gertz wanted the Jamaica El gone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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