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I'm still waiting for someone to suggest connecting the third track (which becomes a yard lead under Grant Avenue) to the Fulton Express east of Euclid Av and running the (A) as a peak-direction express during rush hours.

 

It probably won't happen, to say the least.

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I'm still waiting for someone to suggest connecting the third track (which becomes a yard lead under Grant Avenue) to the Fulton Express east of Euclid Av and running the (A) as a peak-direction express during rush hours.

 

It probably won't happen, to say the least.

It can’t happen, unless another connection could be made directly to the express tracks like the arrangement at Ditmas Avenue ((F)). The track would have to make this connection between Euclid Avenue and 76 Street possibly by replacing the existing express tracks that dead-end there.

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Bottleneck by Rockaway Blvd, another between Grant and Euclid Avs (A)(C).

  

Especially during the morning/evening rush.

Except the two services already merge at another two points along the route. How, in any way, would there be a bottleneck unless the A gets a boost in trains. Which it won't. What we would see is pretty much what is already witnessed when the A and C share tracks in the Cranberry Tubes. People are making it seem like extending the C would be an actual problem when those so-called problems already happen elsewhere. You wouldn't be making things worse. At all.
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   Except the two services already merge at another two points along the route. How, in any way, would there be a bottleneck unless the A gets a boost in trains. Which it won't. What we would see is pretty much what is already witnessed when the A and C share tracks in the Cranberry Tubes. People are making it seem like extending the C would be an actual problem when those so-called problems already happen elsewhere. You wouldn't be making things worse. At all.

OK, let's take the SB (A)(C) at the Canal St merge; at approx 433PM (A) is on decreasing headways btn 3 and 5 mins while the (C) arrives every 8-10 mins. with the (E) doing a 4-5 min hit on Canal you can see how that can tun into a dropped soda bottle with the top still on; the (E) holds the (C) n/o Canal until signal clearance. As the (C) pulls in an (A) arrives. Which goes first? And don't let a delay on QB happen. Now there's a flood of (E) 's heading down 8th Ave causing more delays creating a ripple effect all along the line. I didn't bother to mention the interactions with  the (B)(D) at 59th. Holds at Jay St to make connections with the (F) is also a factor. 

 

This is an every day situation during the evening peak. I could make the same case during the n/b morning rush but I'm sure you can clearly see my point. Bottlenecks are a common occurrence.

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   Except the two services already merge at another two points along the route. How, in any way, would there be a bottleneck unless the A gets a boost in trains. Which it won't. What we would see is pretty much what is already witnessed when the A and C share tracks in the Cranberry Tubes. People are making it seem like extending the C would be an actual problem when those so-called problems already happen elsewhere. You wouldn't be making things worse. At all.

 

Perhaps bottleneck is the wrong term, but given the possible time difference between express and local runs I would imagine it would be very difficult to have trains freely flowing at both ends (either Cranberry or Grant would get messed up)

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some ppl complain about losing it i think because they where being spoiled by the (A) so many years.

 

That sounds about right. The folks over at Lefferts will have to take one for the team and accept their increased frequency of service in exchange for the replacement of express service with local service. That only half of the (A) trains go to JFK is unacceptable, and definitely a blood-boiler when you need to catch a flight and a Lefferts Train shows up after you've already let a (C) pass by.

 

I'm pretty sure that the (A) to Lefferts is more heavily serviced than the (A) to Far Rockaway.

 

I have trouble believing that, but either way, I believe that an international airport should take precedence over a residential stub.

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That sounds about right. The folks over at Lefferts will have to take one for the team and accept their increased frequency of service in exchange for the replacement of express service with local service. That only half of the (A) trains go to JFK is unacceptable, and definitely a blood-boiler when you need to catch a flight and a Lefferts Train shows up after you've already let a (C) pass by.

 

 

I have trouble believing that, but either way, I believe that an international airport should take precedence over a residential stub.

*In before some know-it-all chimes in with their opinion that the (E) is the best subway route to the airport.*

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From the World Trade Center? No way in hell would I take the (E) all the way to JFK.

According to the (MTA) website, travel time to JFK via the (E) and (A) takes the same amount of time from West 4th Street. Anywhere south of there, take the (A) train. Anywhere north of it, take the (E) train.

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According to the (MTA) website, travel time to JFK via the (E) and (A) takes the same amount of time from West 4th Street. Anywhere south of there, take the (A) train. Anywhere north of it, take the (E) train.

 

So now you can appreciate why I'm unhappy about the split (A) service. :)

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Or, you could just take a LIRR train from Atlantic or Penn and get to Jamaica in 20 minutes.

 

If you just blew a couple hundred on plane tickets, you can afford to buy a LIRR ticket.  <_<

 

Two words: "unlimited card."

 

I'd rather spend that extra money on a full meal in Chinatown. I watch every dime, except when it comes to (MTA) proposals.

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Two words: "unlimited card."

 

I'd rather spend that extra money on a full meal in Chinatown. I watch every dime, except when it comes to (MTA) proposals.

 

And so based on the cheapness of a few handfuls of people, we should be implementing service proposals in the millions of dollars? This just takes the meaning of "penny wise, pound foolish" to a whole new level.

 

If you can't afford to be spending less than an additional ten dollars on plane travel, perhaps you should consider Greyhound.

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If you can't afford to be spending less than an additional ten dollars on plane travel, perhaps you should consider Greyhound.

 

I think it's more an issue of want rather than can. It seems to me that the only losers in a plan to extend the (C) to Lefferts and provide JFK with full-time (A) service are the residents of that offshoot. But as mentioned earlier, they would get increased frequency of service anyway and can always transfer if they don't want to sit on a local train. Also as mentioned earlier, having three terminal destinations for a single service is embarrassing to the system itself.

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Or, you could just take a LIRR train from Atlantic or Penn and get to Jamaica in 20 minutes.

 

If you just blew a couple hundred on plane tickets, you can afford to buy a LIRR ticket.  <_<

And so based on the cheapness of a few handfuls of people, we should be implementing service proposals in the millions of dollars? This just takes the meaning of "penny wise, pound foolish" to a whole new level.

 

If you can't afford to be spending less than an additional ten dollars on plane travel, perhaps you should consider Greyhound.

Ding ding ding. Personally, unless I'm taking a day trip, I'm either taking the LIRR or a cab to the airport. You couldn't pay me enough to deal with the hassle of travelling through the subway with luggage, especially on the (E) train.

 

I'm not against the (C) to Lefferts/expanded (A) service to the Rockaways idea. In fact, I've been on the fence about the whole thing for a while. However, I think the access to JFK Airport and the Aqueduct Casino is a greatly overstated benefit. I'm willing to wager that the majority of people who use the subway to access either facility are the employees of said facilities, not the multitude of people either travelling into and out of JFK or those trying their luck at Aqueduct. Don't focus on the airport as that is a non-issue.

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Ding ding ding. Personally, unless I'm taking a day trip, I'm either taking the LIRR or a cab to the airport. You couldn't pay me enough to deal with the hassle of travelling through the subway with luggage, especially on the (E) train.

 

I'm not against the (C) to Lefferts/expanded (A) service to the Rockaways idea. In fact, I've been on the fence about the whole thing for a while. However, I think the access to JFK Airport and the Aqueduct Casino is a greatly overstated benefit. I'm willing to wager that the majority of people who use the subway to access either facility are the employees of said facilities, not the multitude of people either travelling into and out of JFK or those trying their luck at Aqueduct. Don't focus on the airport as that is a non-issue.

Totally agree. I love taking folks to JFK. Going back to the city is another story.

Ahhh, you're probably an Uber guy anyway. ;)

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*In before some know-it-all chimes in with their opinion that the (E) is the best subway route to the airport.*

In the PM rush, the (A) is the best route to JFK hands down. No matter if you take a Far Rockaway/Rock Park train to Howard Beach for the AirTrain or even the Lefferts train to the Q10, you'll get to JFK in a timely fashion.

 

Of course this is the only time where the headways on the (A) towards JFK are less than 10 minutes, barring any GO's on the Lefferts branch...

 

The E is the best route to JFK in the AM rush tho... Reverse peak trains rule!

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Call me crazy but when I'm coming home from a redeye (which I do often) I prefer to take the (J)(Z) skip-stop from Jamaica instead of the (A) or (E).

 

As for what Lance said, based off of my personal experiences plenty of people take mass transit in and out of JFK but at the same time I've never seen a need for an increase in service compared to what it is now. I fly 15 or so times a year (at all kinds of hours) and take mass transit most of the time but I've never seen a train packed with only airport travelers. 

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Ding ding ding. Personally, unless I'm taking a day trip, I'm either taking the LIRR or a cab to the airport. You couldn't pay me enough to deal with the hassle of travelling through the subway with luggage, especially on the (E) train.

 

Yeah, mass transit to the airport only really works out if

 

1. You're traveling light

2. You're traveling alone

 

If you don't satisfy both conditions it makes more sense to use a cab. Many European or Asian cities offer direct rail service to the airport, but that's because they're in a continent where all the major cities are a one-hour or two-hour flight time away at most, so more of their travelers flying meet those conditions.

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Yeah, mass transit to the airport only really works out if

 

1. You're traveling light

2. You're traveling alone

 

If you don't satisfy both conditions it makes more sense to use a cab.

  • To/From JFK and any location in Manhattan:
    • Onscreen rate is ‘Rate #02 – JFK Airport.’
    • This is a flat fare of $52 plus tolls, the 50-cent MTA State Surcharge, the 30-cent Improvement Surcharge, and $4.50 rush hour surcharge (4 PM to 8 PM weekdays, excluding legal holidays).
    • Passenger is responsible for paying all tolls.
    • Please tip your driver for safety and good service.

A taxicab is completely out of the question unless you're on the company's dime or you're wealthy (or don't mind squandering your money). Mass transit is the only affordable yet reasonable option. How many suitcases do people carry, anyway? This isn't even to mention the insane traffic that will make the taxicab (or any other vehicle) slower than rails (frustratingly so, in my experience).

 

(A) to Far Rockaway, (C) to Lefferts. It just makes damn sense.

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I think the board member wants half the (A) trains to go to Rockaway Park and replace the shuttle.

 

Okay, sure, fine, as long as it only serves the Cross Bay corridor and not Liberty Avenue. If northern Jamaica can live with the (F) and Bay Ridge with the (R), Ozone Park will be just fine with the (C).

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