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(I assume that you mean Prospect Av.) I was on a southbound 4 Av Express the other day and it definitely did not slow down until 25 St. Maybe there was congestion when you were riding it.

This is REALLY cool:

I don't mind that there are timers; they just start too early IMO. I mean, they can still protect the switches at 36 St s/b without starting the timers all the way back at 25 St. Although I don't think those timers were put in as a result of post-crash paranoia; they were already there before the Union Sq and Williamsburg Bridge incidents as far as I know.

Wow, I've seen the tracks on Google Earth and I always thought it would be fast, but I had no idea that it would be THAT fast. Nobody says much of the southbound Lexington Av Express from 125 to 86 St. I know that n/b can reach 49 MPH, but this s/b R142A reaches 47-48, I think: (go to 4:45 for the fast part) [media=]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cZBFhS_bcY4&feature=related[/media] EDIT: I posted the wrong video before. I just fixed it. Thanks, Brightonkid7.

Yes, but I'm specifically referring to the n/b 4 Av express.

Yeah, it would be great if he could tell us the speeds going s/b on the 4 Av Express, and what the timers are for. And I'd love to know how fast it's possible to go on an R68 on the n/b 4 Av Express. I know that 50 MPH is possible on the R160.

That's cool. I'm always pleasantly surprised with the s/b 4 Av Express from Atlantic Av to 36 St. No one says it's very fast, but my R68 train yesterday was really hauling! The timers coming into 36 St are annoying. Are they to keep people from overrunning 36 St at 40+ MPH and derailing on the switch for the West End line?. Or to protect the crossover switch to the local track? Still, the timers don't start until you pass 25 St, and those early timers aren't too slow. It's a good run, IMO. Still, nothing compares to the n/b 50 MPH express .

Howdy, folks. Here's the thread that's all about SPEED--discussing train speeds, telling stories of fast trains we've been on, and posting videos showing the speed at which a train is going. People should feel free to post videos of trains and I or someone else can figure out how fast they are. Hopefully this thread will be a success; I'll start it off with this: First R142 2 Train: 49 MPH Second R142 2 Train: 35 MPH No flaming, please...

Assuming that you mean that no trains can pass or enter those stations: some trains run local in Manhattan 96 St - Grand Central-42 St, local; single-track shuttle runs 96 St - 116 St; single track shuttle runs Grand Central-42 St - 14 St-Union Sq (local) runs via 7 Av Express Pelham Bay Park - 3 Av/138 St runs via tunnel to provide transfer to at Court St

This is interesting. What will make the subway trains run slower? Slow speed orders, or will the motors work less well?

There was plenty of bunching and uneven crowds on the Brooklyn IRT well into the evening rush... Yeah, if certain people (we all know who) were in charge of the MTA, the would be somewhere out near Broadway Junction on the tracks by now...

EDIT: WHOOPS! I thought you said ALL tracks at 23 St impassable. Let's say that was the case: 242 St - 34 St-Penn Station; downtown trains run express from 96 St to 42 St, uptown trains run express from 42 St to 96 St runs in two sections; 241 St - 34 St-Penn Station, Flatbush Av - Chambers St; trains relay north of the station suspended; trains can access Lenox Yard or Livonia Yard runs in two sections; New Lots Av - Brooklyn Bridge, Woodlawn - Grand Central-42 St, some Manhattan bound trains can terminate at 149 St-Grand Concourse if Necessary runs in two sections; Flatbush Av - Chambers St station (signed as a train to avoid confusion), Dyre Av - E 180 St Pelham Bay Park - Grand Central-42 St, some Manhattan bound trains can terminate at 3 Av-138 St if necessary runs in two sections; 207 St - 59 St-Columbus Circle, Far Rockaway/Lefferts Blvd - Canal St 145 St/Bedford Pk Blvd - 34 St-Herald Sq suspended runs in two sections; 205 St - 34 St/Herald Sq (via CPW local), Coney Island - Whitehall St station Jamaica Center - Lexington Av/53 St runs in two sections; Jamaica-179 St - 47-50 Sts/Rockefeller Ctr, Coney Island - Delancey St Metropolitan Av - West 4 St runs in two sections; Astoria - 34 St-Herald Sq, Coney Island - Atlantic Av Coney Island - Prospect Park runs in two sections; 71 Av - 34 St-Herald Sq, Bay Ridge-95 St - Whitehall St

[media=] [/media]And I don't even play Mega Man! Also:

It makes absolutely no sense that the line, which is arguably busier and more demanding than the line, would make the R46s run better. Why do you say that the R46s are overused on the line when the runs less frequently than the ? Yes, I know that the R46 has a history of problems and the R32s are very solidly built trains, but your "facts" contradict the MDBF numbers over the past year. By the way, I can't remember the last time a was sent to Lefferts or Far Rockaway; I'm not going to believe you that it happens often unless someone else can provide more information.

Some people, including Wallyhorse, seem to overestimate the importance of midtown service...Anyway, NEXT: No trains can use BMT east river crossings (Montague St tunnel, Manhattan Bridge, Williamsburg Bridge, 14 St tunnel, 60 St tunnel).

Yeah, right. Do you want to see the facts?http://i45.tinypic.com/k48roj.jpg Yes, the R32s are currently doing slightly better than the R46s. It shows how well built the R32s were, considering that they're doing this well for their age. But there's nothing to suggest that the R46s are doing particularly badly. Your statement is supported by no evidence, which is what makes me think that you just like the R32s better.

The thing is, the multitude of riders demand the more comfortable R46s IMO.

Local north of 59 St, also local in Brooklyn; downtown trains run via 6 Av express suspended suspended runs local in the Bronx downtown trains run via 8 Av local EDIT: trains will run until all equipment can be laid up or sent to Pitkin or Coney Island Yard.

I mean an extra track that makes all of the same stops. It would double the peak-direction capacity of the line, theoretically.

OH MY GOD...THERE ARE MORE BROOKLYN RIDERS THAN RIDERS!!! Please don't try to deny this...You will screw up more people's commutes by cutting the . Have you given ANY thought to the fact that the Transit Museum tracks stop at an ABANDONED PLATFORM with NO FUNCTIONING EXITS TO THE STREET? By the way, the train running local only adds FOUR MINUTES. As a temporary service change, do you really expect politicians to get mad? It's not foamerish. It just makes no sense. The term "foamer" seems to be losing it's meaning, and is now used to describe any railfan who comes up with ridiculous ideas. If you want to learn what "foamerish" means, feel free to do so:

Well, the R32s are doing better because they're just having SMS...Remember last year, when the R32s had a MDBF of 56,000 or something? What in the world are you judging that based on? How will the line make the "unreliable" R46s run ANY BETTER??? It looks like somebody here just enjoys riding old rickety trains on the ...

You have a point, and while I do sympathize with all of the railfans who are begging for variety, I'd rather have propulsion that "fits in" with the NYC system. While I'm sure that I'll get used to the sounds of MITRAC, I have come to associate ONIX with the NYC subway. Yes, I understand that the "old timers" think that anything that isn't DC propulsion doesn't fit in with NYC at all...

How about a third local track that would just provide double the service in peak directions (it would make the same stops)?

Are you aware that it was announced that Bombardier MITRAC would be the propulsion? (Not a rhetorical question; I'd just like to know the answer.) Because I kind of wish they would use ONIX and I was a bit disappointed to hear that it would be MITRAC.

I would get rid of the if possible, but if not possible, then I can't argue with you here. How about just cutting the back to Essex, making room on 8 Av for other services? Oh my god...JUST RUN THE LOCAL AND SUSPEND THE , FOR GOD'S SAKE. There's no need to overcomplicate things for the sake of complicating things. Why in the world would anybody want to take the to the ABANDONED PLATFORM at Hoyt-Schermerhorn only so they can transfer to the ? Now, every single rider in Brooklyn is screwed. It's not just about sending trains to every station; it's also about having trains that get people where they want to go. The is hardly better than no train at all, for those going to Manhattan. How about just running the via 8 Av/53 St, which there is now capacity for (by getting rid of the and on 8 Av)? You're right; this wasn't one of those "foamerish" posts. It was just plain impractical, IMO. There's nothing "foamerish" about using the transit museum tracks; it just makes no sense and overcomplicates things for no reason. If people are calling you a foamer, they're misusing the term.