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by retired it means that the 32s are being placed into long-term storage i believe. most of the 32s you mentioned are most likely going to be on standby just like the 42s are right now. the only pairs to my knowledge that have definitely been stripped are 3878-79 (OOS long term) and a few other pairs at 207. i don't think anything is actually physically getting trucked out to scrap right now given that process takes months.

this what i think is gonna happen next in addition to my previous post/thoughts. keep in mind this is solely my opinion- havent been here in quite a while. any potential improvements that byford could have made to already flawed redesigns (especially for Queens) is now disregarded at this point. when the bus networks for both the Bronx & queens get redesigned i really doubt that theres gonna be any individual at MTA that has the intellectual capabilities to prevent this amount of backlash from the general public & most importantly fixing the flaws of said redesigns. byford had a caring personality- some articles wrote he often asked passengers how their commute was on the train, and he really tried to push Fast Forward to add more capacity to the system & provide better rides/service to the public. and when the queens network redesign officially comes into play, he couldve fixed it, adjusted it, and tried to make it better for anyone affected by it. our corrupt officials in both the head of MTA and albany simply dont have a myriad personality comparable to byfords to satisfy the general public. his resignation has already caused inspiration among the other top-ranking MTA personnel to leave the agency just like he did as well, given the recent resignation of Tomlin. not to mention the fact that byford was willing to give the corrupt agency he tried to fix a second chance, by having enough resilience to even reconsider when he almost resigned the first time a few months back. this could have made both the officials upstate in albany plus the MTA as a whole, to reconsider their thoughts & aggressive actions towards byford, but just as the way we always expect them to behave, they didn't back down and thus we came to this. if the only thing cuomo wants is to control the MTA then he might as well do it at this point. he basically has unlimited votes/support and is let off the hook by other pressing issues he doesnt even take responsibility for. his power struggle was sadly an obvious indicator to everyone that we all knew he wasn't gonna be staying forever. the only thing we can hope for is that the MTA at the very least learns from his experience at transit, so that they can do all the improvements byford would have done had he not resigned. but for now at least, our leadership in MTA is very poor & unwilling to adjust towards improvements, and things have a high likelihood of going downhill after this point. thats basically the rest of what i have to say. feel free to provide me with more info in case i left or forgot something in the dustbin.

even in the worst case scenario, the 179s will only be able to retire some R32s (probably 50-80 cars) and all of the remaining R42s. at least the majority of the R32s are definitely staying for at least another 2-3 years until the first production sets of R211s come in. theres simply not enough cars to retire ALL of them considering that we dont even have the first 211 in property. ideally, i can see the TA getting rid of a couple R32 sets for parts to keep the other cars running, given that about ten cars are currently stripped & OOS. the fate of the 42s is currently unknown at this moment since no one has confirmed their retirement (for good this time). and yes, while the MTA were successful in retiring the RTS last year in May (for those that followed the bus section of the forums), at least they had a surplus of new buses (XD40 & LFS) to do it, and there wasn't even a severe shortage of buses in that situation. this situation however is different cause the R179s were only able to offset the retirement of the R44s, meaning that there wasn't a gain in the amount of cars compared to pre-2010 levels.

and likewise (already reported this in the nyc subway car listing thread)... 4794-95, 4838-39, 4802-03, 4788-89: ENY to Pitkin. 4788-89 was allegedly reported as retired before but ran a skip stop trip in the AM rush. Currently theres one set in 207 for storage and another set in fresh pond for the same reason alongside the one i mentioned above. that leaves about two sets of R42s left based out of ENY, because it was reported that at least one of them is sitting in the layup at Jamaica Center.

4794-95, 4838-39, 4802-03, *4788-89: ENY to Pitkin. spotted it heading there from the platform at Fulton. 4812-13, 48xx-xx, along with two other R42 pairs (couldn't tell which #s): ENY to Fresh Pond. (also spotted that set as well) in addition, a third R42 set was also spotted on the line deadheading to CI according to a post on FB. *for those curious even though it was allegedly reported 4788-89 was OOS it did a morning rush hour trip on the skip stop today.

spotted an R42 set (4813 as the lead car) deadheading to Fresh Pond Yard most likely for storage this morning. the set is currently spilt into two four-car sets. both sets are sitting in fresh pond atm. so that leaves about four sets of R42s active on the (J) (Z) .

honestly the MTA is never gonna recover from this. byford was their only hope/chance to improve but we just had to see the corrupt Albany officials alongside emperor cuomo outright throw all the progress he was gonna make down the drain. i really have no other words besides the ones explained above...

the 8-car 179 fleet should ideally be split between the and the so that the latter can be full length. besides, it being full length is needed due to increases in ridership. expanding ENY Yard is costly and i don't personally think it will happen anytime soon due to the MTA already having the costly burden of the 211 contract, ESA, SAS Phase 2, etc. the 143s should stay where they are for service with a few spares for the if needed. the 160s should either stay where they are or some can also be sent to the alongside the 179s for additional service.

gotcha. knew i missed something. i know byford said that the 179s will go back into service this week, but is it really all of them? it could just be some of them returning this week, which i'll expect, but i don't think that all of them are gonna return all at once. also, even tho the prototype set for the 211 is arriving this summer, we won't be getting them en masse until 2021 which when the prototype set is scheduled to finish testing. so at the bare minimum, the 32s wont be going anywhere till 2021-2022 even if some retire this year. for the 42s, we just have to wait to see what will happen to them when the 179s return.

according to this report both the 32s and 42s won't be officially retired until August 2023. the 46s are set to go in December 2024, with some being retired alongside the 32s/42s in 2023. the 179s might not end up replacing the 42s (again) cause even Byford himself isn't really satisfied with them and Bombardier due to the incident. and also, the 179s aren't all coming back at once. i think they've stated that they will re-enter service one by one till all cars are back given that there's probably a bunch of sets that still didn't get inspected yet.

honestly this bullshit with the R179s just proves that the 42s and all of the 32s have to be kept around at least until the 211s set foot on property. take for example what happened back in 2008-10 when the MTA scrapped all the R40Ms and lots of Phase I 32s plus most of the 42s just to throw all the old equipment out the window but then it came back to bite when the 44s retired. MTA simply has to keep them on property in case events like these f**k up the road. theres simply no way theyre gonna trash the 32s/42s at this point when they had to pull an ENTIRE fleet OOS. and while they could retire them (again) when the 179 issues are fixed theres still a chance they (the 179s) can/will screw up again knowing how defective they can be...

yesterday I was out on the and counted about four sets total in service. one set is in ENY sitting OOS because some foamers stole the rollsigns from some of the cars. also, the back car of the consist is tagged with graffiti. there's somewhat of a chance that the R42s can come out this weekend due to the lack of R179s... also, are there any refuse R32s operating in service?

just played catch-up since i havent posted in like forever: but damn, this is definitely a major blow to MTA. it proves that bombardier simply cant be trusted anymore with their contracts. i can see 42s MAYBE running on the unless they want them all on the and also they could send the 32s to ENY for the as well.

honestly Cuomo and the MTA should be lucky Byford is reconsidering and giving them a second chance. he's been hassled and bossed around far too much by our "glorious" governor that if we had anyone else besides him in the position, they definitely would've resigned without a single question asked. thankfully Byford is smart enough to not fall into the atmosphere of intense pressure... Also this a second chance for the governor and MTA to get their acts together and let Byford do his job...assuming they actually do learn this time...

Im honestly surprised this thread is still alive! I have only met like a few people on here as mentioned earlier but I think I saw @Union Tpke when fanning the nostalgia trip with the R9s and gate cars along both the and recently. and also met @TheNewYorkElevated before when fanning the vintage buses and the former. I still have yet to meet @LaGuardia Link N Tra though I know one day we'll finally meet in person (maybe at the parade of trains a month from now tsk tsk... )

My thoughts on the project: I know its for the greater good but it really is sad to see so many of the historic features on the platform being removed. I will also heavily miss the R62As with the ads after it eventually reverts to using R142As... The spot where you can see the is breathtaking and a good place for shots same with the curve the shuttle makes to enter Times Square...

Surprised that the 1st gens are still running given there's only two of them.... normally the MTA is scrap-happy with buses as seen with most of the 1st and 2nd gen hybrids and before the RTS/D60s...

To try and clarify a bit more There are to 145 programs but I think they're all spliced just like the to 168 and to 96.....I know this because I was able to hear some sample recordings of the announcement from social media.

My shots of the fireworks and & trains from Smith-9 Sts on 7/4/19, hope ya'll enjoy...

For August 3-5: TRACK MAINTENANCE Aug 3 - 5, 12:01 AM Sat to 5 AM Mon Service between 96 St, Manhattan and 241 St, the Bronx is replaced by trains and free shuttle buses trains run between Flatbush Av, Brooklyn and 96 St, Manhattan. trains make all stops in the Bronx between 149 St-Grand Concourse and 241 St. Express shuttle buses run nonstop between 96 St and 149 St-Grand Concourse. Local shuttle buses make all stops between 96 St and 149 St-Grand Concourse. • Transfer in the Bronx between trains and shuttle buses at 149 St-Grand Concourse. • Transfer in Manhattan between trains and shuttle buses at 96 St or between and trains at Fulton St.

Observations of the R42s from what I've seen as of late: The R42s aren't limited to rush hours only like some people have observed. ENY normally brings out 1-2 sets of R42s on the weekends for service. They're still being used on a regular basis for now.

I dont post often on here anymore but this is my opinion on the matter: This reorganization plan is absolutely horrid and disgusting. Byford was hired to SAVE the system, but Cuomo and other corrupt officials have only made this entire thing completely worse. This plan will have absolutely NO positive impact on not just the agency but New York as a whole. We barely have anyone in MTA that knows whats happening given that their all ill prepared, equipped, and not as mindful. Byford is one of the few people that knows the corruption behind the scenes, the man who can fix it, but if he gets stripped of power, all hope of fixing the system will be lost. Everything is already bad enough as it is, from the massively scaled down project to the removal of the M14 SBS bus lanes. Not to mention the fact that this also may threaten the MUSEUM. The museum preserves all the retired antique equipment to keep history alive- yet all that may be put to neglect with this plan. I'll see what I can do to speak up for this, but for now, I'd also encourage everyone else to see this thread and speak up!

Honestly, even if this is true Cuomo would face severe opposition from the MTA and general public. Not to mention the amount of dedicated work and effort that goes in to preserving stuff...

Absolutely great news for the museum! We officially have a D60HF in the museum fleet (5534, or 117 after it got renumbered). I know it's already been reported over in the scrapped equipment thread, but this is huge news and 5534 will be the first articulated bus in the collection. However, there's also ANOTHER bus that is pending preservation! According to the TTMG roster, 6326 (a 1999 Orion V) also might be preserved! We do have the 1993 Orion V (93001) and the two ex-Beeline roadeo buses (174 and 180), but we haven't had a 1999 Orion V added to the museum collection before. Regardless of whether it's too similar to the 1993s or not, the possible addition of this bus is certainly an accomplishment! Currently both 5534 and 6326 are stored at ECH presumably awaiting restoration. We also have 4904 and 8971 up there (both preserved) in addition.

Do the R46s even still run on the at this point? They've essentially stopped running on the latter from what i've seen... (apologies if i sound dumb, haven't really been keeping up to date with this thread)