Brillant93

Im pretty sure our politicians had everything to do with this. They want to the MTA to be incompetent so they can use it for political leverage.

They’re eliminating part of the B15 to make way for a SBS queens bus that’ll run from Jamaica to Brownsville, there’s others such as Flushing to Ridgewood, Astoria to Downtown Brooklyn and others. You have to look at the color codes on the draft plan. It’s no use reading the map traditionally.

The issue that I see a lot of people aren’t addressing is that no one likes change. You can see it throughout this forum. Yeah the plan is far from perfect but at the same time no one is trying to see if the new plan is providing something for people traveling in queens. Everyone wants to keep things the way they are, a form of NIMBYism which plagues so many people. the redesign seems like it treats Queens in two half’s, East and West. The west side has tons of subway access thus why there seems to be more local routes going through it than the East where many routes are worked to travel to subway stations or to places such as BK. I think the hard hit place was the rockaways. Taking the Q53 out was terrible because both that and the Q52 are the main connections to the island.

Canal street is plagued with traffic. It’s directly connected to the Manhattan bridge and the tunnel so having a bus on that street is asking for it to just be a sitting duck.

Very, very, very, unlikely. This B1 artic thing came out of left field. What should have happened was that there have been trippers on the B1 during the weekdays from JG or FB depot.

Maybe since the Bronx redesign is happening some artic routes is going to go back to being standards? Just my theory.

This thread went from the B1 becoming artic to school trippers.

From what I gathered was that people were more so upset with the wait times instead of the routes themselves. The only place in queens that I saw that needed a lot of work was the Howard beach and far rockaway side of things such as the Q53 being axed.

I understand, I thought revamping service like routes would help other boroughs as well. I'm curious how they would handle brooklyn, maybe in the same manner as the bronx?

I see that too. Even yesterday I saw like 4 46 local bunched and some rarely going back the other direction.

Shouldn’t this make the local much more run more closely with the sbs? I hear a lot of complaints that the local 46 was just hit badly when the 46 became sbs. I think in a way it just balances things out more so people don’t have to resort to taking the sbs when they really need the local.

I liked their idea of having a new form of bus routes like new limited, local, and select buses. I think it would help a lot throughout the city.

The B68 or the B8 most likely won't benefit UP.

I think someone who works at FB says there's discussions on FB being all artic because they have two routes that are short and would use standards. If anything I could see the B49 going to UP and at some point within the next 10 years FB will be all artic just like Tuskegee Airmen depot with the exception of two standard routes. FB deal with heavy routes within the borough already and they often are very crowded during rush hour too.

People waiting an extra minute isnt gonna kill folks. It’s not like they’re going to have people out there waiting like sitting ducks, mind you there’s a lot more bus routes within BK that have crappy wait times and they’re standard buses. They have to accommodate people for KBCC and those who travel to bay ridge. Having tons on top of tons of standard buses is most likely going to put a strain on UP since the B6 is a heavy used route. The only logical solution it seems was to turn the B1 into artics while still having the B6 at UP. Turning the B6 into artics would have been disastrous Because the line hasn’t been really studied yet and there really isn’t any sort of supply for it to have artics yet. I would assume in the Brooklyn bus redesign they will do something with the B6 in future. Now if FB gets the B1 it would most likely help push out some standards to other depots. But something in me says they’re gonna have to give up a route to UP (just my speculation) I would presume the B49 would move to UP in exchange for the B1. If JG gets it I would presume one of its routes would go to UP to make up for the lose if the route.

Probably for the Kingsbridge traffic. What I don’t understand and see is where is these artics are going to come from? The rest of the XD60S from the Bronx? The MTA batch? Owhen MJQ gets their XE60S to transfer 15 of the other XD60s to that route?

All door boarding isn’t really about having people pay their fare but keeping buses from dwelling at stops. When everyone is paying through one door it only makes the bus slow because the more time it takes for people to pay upfront one by one. If transit agencies are going to get people to pay their fares their going to have to enforce it. You can’t really expect bus drivers to have people pay when everyone in NYC is all about getting to where they gotta go. A bus operator holds a bus up for a non paying passenger it’s gonna put them at risk of being harmed. People here are crazy enough to take their frustrations out on others so the only logical thing is to have policemen do it but then peopel would say it’s profiling if they do. if the MTA does want to get people to pay they should introduce a point or reward system where people will earn free rides or monthly passes if they pay. Like Uber or Lyft where people spend money on rides they get discounts and so on.

I was on one today! So nice to see them on one of my home routes. Can’t wait till they have them on the B82sbs.

Ive been meaning to speak on that fare box F5 thing. I’ve been witnessing BO pressing it excessively when people don’t pay their fare. One time there was like three people who didn’t and the BO pressed it like 7 times. It happens a lot so when the MTA does it report on fare loss I think this BO are at partial fault because they’re not pressing the button to reflect who didn’t actually pay.

They’re not. It looks like there’s gonna be overlapping routes with those routes as well. It’s not too far off from the limited routes they have now.

Isn't that gonna put a strain on them? Wouldn't it be easier to use regular buses until the next capital plan is approved?

So Green means traditional local service that its main focus isn't to connect to a subway but to other neighborhoods. Red means local service that will run mostly along green or blue routes with greater spaces between stops for rapid service to a subway or hub Purple means a newer form of an LTD service where it runs local on its latter end but runs limited once it gets to a point to a subway Blue means a standard or newer form of an SBS route where stops are limited through its entire run and it runs through prioritized corridors Judging from the map it looks like the areas such as Jamaica Queens and other parts that are eastern will have more of the green and purple routes where they will help get people to other parts of queens and those who need to get to the subway. The western and northern part of Queens look like it will have more so the red, green and blue routes. Since it seems that those parts have better access to subway connections, local service is much more effective there, but there is also high corridors there which means the red and blue routes will be along there. The blue routes on this side of the map will be mostly routes from areas such as Flushing, Astoria, and the airport to Brooklyn or to a transit hub. From my analysis it looks like they're treating Queens in two different parts. One half such as the eastern will be local and limited routes which will get people around those areas to other parts and or to the subway which some what reflect the function of the old private bus routes. The other half which is the western will serve as to get people to Brooklyn, the airport, and various train stations. Since the former half only has a handful of train lines and or stops it makes sense to have the purple and green routes. The latter half will have a mixture of all since its very accessible to trains and other ways to get around other parts of the city. Looking at the color codes it makes the map much clearer to follow.

So it looks like the QT6 is going to be like a limited/sbs version of the Q58.

Oh okay.

Do you know when the B46 sbs will be fully artic? I’ve seen two over the holiday since it’s one of my home bus routes.