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This wouldn't be a big deal if congestion pricing was off the table since option I is already paid for meaning they can retire the whole R46s fleet with no issue. Plus the lack of spares at CI and concourse yard (they have spares but it's a very low amount). But they are pushing for congestion pricing to start early next year which is a big mistake since they aren't ready for it.

they can't run them with the R44s, They aren't the same.

60 is tight but they can get away with it since the R211s are brand new and wouldn't need a high spare factor. I just estimated that 80 would be needed to fill the void of the R32s. This is why this agency is really retarded. They shouldn't retire anything until they have more than enough cars to cover for the lack of spares. I'm not surprised at all since all the A-A cars were already sidelined for just about a month. They still don't learn their lesson during the retirements of past fleets. If they just sideline cars in storage as back ups like they did with the R32s in 2021 then that wouldn't be an issue. CI desperately need more cars and they are already sideling cars instead of sending them to coney to increase their spares. Edit just saw that a set of 6000s were sent to coney.

8th ave CBTC is already delayed, They want it done by 2025 but it'll be done by 2026. The and can't be 100% tech by then because the Base order would be complete by then going into option I. This all takes time, The main goal is to make the and 100% tech or 100% R211's by 2025-26. All of the 10 car R179s are rumored to be pushed out to Jamaica to expand their CBTC fleet and the 8 car ones would probably end up at ENY. The and can still get re-routed on 8th ave even with CBTC with R68s as long as the wayside signals aren't as far apart (for that time being) until the / becomes 100% tech.

R46's had that prior to GOH but during the GOH it was removed It would kinda suck during rush hour since this would cause to back up service since the would have to switch to the local track or have to wait for the to leave before proceeding thus backing up trains. CBTC doesn't make it any better, in fact it's worse.

All because a bunch of f**king retards can't stop vandalizing trains. The city needs to stop playing games and throw the book at these niggas before they cause a f**king derailment hurting hundreds of people. BTW i'm hearing 22 sets of trains were vandalized.

those 8 car units on the shuttle are out of ENY. They just use the nassau cut and broadway to deadhead them. this is why you see shuttle cars go back to the . Those cars still get inspected at ENY.

nope it's their shitty policies on why these kids do this in the first place. I knew this was going to happen, people in Brooklyn and queens were complaining non stop about the shitty headways. look like fools because they knew the issues with the crew shortages before hand.

Can't really do that with (on paper) a 6 min headway. Whitehall st only have one middle track and the is about every 8-10 mins. Canal st would be better but then you'll back up service due to crews making sure the train in cleared out. The last minute option is to simply make the local 24/7 (Or every other local) until the GO is over. It might not be the best option but the is a shorter line vs the . It's too late to even extend the to forest hills due to the obvious issues.

that's why i ignored him.

i thought they didn't, i remember when the tram was getting replaced, They had the red old gen buses go to the city. If that's so they could have worked out a deal to have provide additional shuttle buses alongside their own.

The issue with the vs the is that it's a local and has too many slow spots since it's a BMT line and also it has to follow the from whitehall st and the from 42nd st (prince st on weekends) whereas the is express (local at night) doesn't have any slow spots besides that area between 175th and 168th st. Plus it's an IND line which doesn't have that many sharp curves compared to the BMT. Even if they extended the it would have costed them money. The biggest issue is the area between Court sq and Queens plaza. The main issue is just that could have planned this better instead of what we got. They knew that the crew had to pick jobs. Either way or the other people are getting screwed and it's not fair for both the crew and the passengers to deal with something that could have easily been done better. I also blame the clowns in Roosevelt Island, They could have taken a shuttle bus to Queens Plaza where the , and trains are available. It only takes about no less than 20 mins to get to queens plaza. Because of them bitching, This GO has to last longer because they have to do one track at a time between Queens-bridge and Lexington 63rd. That 20 min wait for the Shuttle train could be have been used to get to queens plaza. I would have preferred a whole shutdown vs what we have.

The issue is that had planned this for about a year now. We just want better alternatives. It doesn't have to be the train since there are flaws That should have been fixed a long time ago ( re-routes via crosstown a lot) and it doesn't even have to involve the subway. We have the LIRR and also buses in which the hasn't done much for. Having a special Q60 that serves the local stations along queens blvd (forest hills to grand) and running express to queens plaza and then to the city would have been a good alternative As well as a special bus serving Woodhaven blvd to Queens plaza serving the stations on Broadway (in Queens). LIRR cross honoring or atleast a $2.90 fare between Jamaica and Penn Station/GCM would also help. Calling people entitled for wanting better alternatives is the most ignorant shit i seen on here or on social media. We (the ones on here) are aware of the issues that is on the crew and how this is effecting the crew but that's on the and it's departments for not communicating. This could have been solved by giving people better choices outside the system if they can't handle the issue due to crew availability and etc. This is at a time where wants more money via congestion pricing and they just raised the fares (the fare hike doesn't bother me at all) You think the regular people who ride the subway are entitled, The ones who are going to be forced out of their cars are going to be much much worse. can't be trying to extort more money out of people and think they can pull shit like this. And to say take a different train, There isn't any. Hence the complaints and the being brought up. On one weekend the didn't show up for over an hour and then they decided to send an local after an hour wait to cover for the . Even with available crew, One Screw up would cause issues with the since it's a very long local line. This is why people are complaining. People are going through shit daily and people don't give a shit about anything. They just want to get to work. Not all of us got pandemic unemployment and $1200 stimulus checks. People do not want to lose their jobs so they are way more aggressive than ever before which sucks for the crew because they have to deal with that shit vs the suits at 2 Broadway. Also Politics do play a huge roll. The full shutdown got canned because of politics. I do agree with shutdowns like this because it gets the work done faster, I just don't like how it's been executed when they could have tried to flock people to the LIRR or gave have special bus service to cover for the lack of service. In all i see them just making the local at all times until this is over.

The bridge is pretty old so it's understandable on why, This is why i wish they can build new river tubes to get the trains off of the bridges, esp the Manhattan bridge. By doing this you can increase service and don't have to worry about a limit or slow speeds and etc. Manhattan bridge has a flaw since trains run on the side instead of the middle hence the 20 plus year construction of it, By building a tube they can also fix that dekalb junction as well. Willamsburg bridge is fine but the the age of the bridge is why they have the limit also the last project in 1999 when they redid the bridge is also a factor.

The Williamsburg bridge does have a TPH limit and that's on the DOT and not the . it's at 98% capacity.

The extra service is just midday so less trains will be getting laid up. But more R46s might be going to coney but the need a healthy spare factor of R46s first before coney. The R160s going to the makes me think they will swap out sets for the 63rd st shuttle.

Yeah, some R160's will be on the since the isn't going to use all of their fleet. I thought more R179s would have been sent to 207th to push more R160s to the / . This would allow more R46's to be pushed to the to increase spare factor and / or send some R46s to coney to increase their spare factor.

R179s didn't replace all the cars, all it did was create a spare factor shortage since the R32s that were supposed to stay retired hence the R46s going to the instead of CI to increase their spare factor due to the going to 96th and 2nd.

the ohio contract is only for a select amount of cars. They will have to have a new contact in place for more scrapping. The R46's i don't think has asbestos so it might be much easier for them to get scrapped within the NY metro area. The remaining R32's it's unknown, the Ohio contract only called for half of the fleet (if i'm correct. I heard this from a reliable source) I would say 2027 I wouldn't expect to see them start scrapping R46s until mid 2024 with retirements starting in late this year into early 2024. They have to increase CI spare factor first before scrapping anything.

80 since the R211s won't need a higher spare factor vs the R32s which would have needed 110 cars with 60-70 cars being used for service. But to be safe it would be 110 R211s but with 80 cars they can start retiring R46s (which is not a good idea if congestion pricing starts next year)

They also had to borrow 2-3 sets of R46s from Jamaica. One of the biggest reasons why they did the and swap was because it was set for set with no additional trains needed since both are 8 car lines. Plus this benefited both lines as the / had a larger spare factor of R42s and R160s and later on R143s while the had R160s which required a lower spare factor on top of the R32 spares.

I'm 50/50 on this subject But some of this de-interlining stuff that some of these transit fans come up with makes no sense at all. Rapid transit systems and commuter rail systems merge all the time and they manage to keep good service. The issue is speed and how some of these switches are. That is what causes the choke points. The 8th ave line and broadway line could be de-interlined without screwing up too much stuff up. Like The would be the 8th ave/CPW express (local in brooklyn) and could run to bedford pk blvd 7 days a week all day while the could go to 168th during the week. The could replace the in Manhattan between 168th and WTC 7 days a week as the local with headways that wouldn't hurt the . This would eliminate that merge at canal st which causes delays in and service. The and would serve 2nd ave while the and would serve Queens which would eliminate merging at 34th and 49th st. The would run 7 days a week all times to Astoria with extra service during the rush to brooklyn (if they have the funding) meaning all 4 Broadway lines would have full service 7 days a week. The would get extended to bay ridge at night to replace the with the not running at nights (the runs to Whitehall at night and the would need that terminal so its better to replace the at night)

The is just terrible, even if it ran every 6 mins on weekends, it's still terrible. The GO on 4th ave doesn't make it any better. last sunday night the next train was 25 mins away. This is every weekend which sucks,.

Since the is going to 57th, This will free up a good chunk of 8 car units which would probably go to the / which would bump a chunk of R179s to the to boot those R46s off the if they planning on doing this from the end of august to early 2024. It'll probably be Coney equipment of an R160 from Jamaica.

I have been adapting to the GO's on queens blvd for over 20 plus years. I get that the CBTC has it's own issues but the majority of the time (on weekends) when the is delayed, It's mainly because of the GO in Brooklyn. During the week It's not as bad because the is running with the . As long as those extra trains turn around in Manhattan, it shouldn't be bad. They barely had enough room before the was sent via 63rd. Having the and in one tunnel would cause problems. The uses a lot of trains hence why they are reducing the slightly and this would allow them to run more trains.