R32 3348 Posted January 15, 2010 Share #26 Posted January 15, 2010 I do not think the MetroCards will be phased out but the MetroCard would probably not get the unlimited rides feature. Student Metrocards don't have unlimited rides, we have 3 rides per day on a normal Student Metrocard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2Line1291 Posted January 15, 2010 Share #27 Posted January 15, 2010 I never got how does skip-stop operate? Can someone please explain this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LRG Posted January 15, 2010 Author Share #28 Posted January 15, 2010 I never got how does skip-stop operate? Can someone please explain this? A train idles in a station for 30 seconds. It has to decelerate and accelerate upon entering and leaving the station, adding more time to the trip. With skip stop, the trains do not lose time for stopping at the stations, sitting at the station, and then starting up again. and trains operate roughly every five minutes ( train-five minutes- train-five minutes...etc.), and by doing skip-stop, the trip time from Jamaica Center to Marcy Avenue is shaved off between five and ten minutes. Hope that helps. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2Line1291 Posted January 15, 2010 Share #29 Posted January 15, 2010 Oh!!!! I get it now.......thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LRG Posted January 15, 2010 Author Share #30 Posted January 15, 2010 Oh!!!! I get it now.......thanks Anytime! :cool: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
m7zanr160s Posted January 15, 2010 Share #31 Posted January 15, 2010 I never got how does skip-stop operate? Can someone please explain this? As best I can, (J)/(Z) trains alternate select stops between Sutphin Boulevard and Myrtle Avenue, to make for an express train where there aren't any express tracks (for the most part), during rush hours only. If I have it right, the is one stop faster. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LRG Posted January 15, 2010 Author Share #32 Posted January 15, 2010 As best I can, (J)/(Z) trains alternate select stops between Sutphin Boulevard and Myrtle Avenue, to make for an express train where there aren't any express tracks (for the most part), during rush hours only. If I have it right, the is one stop faster. : Myrtle Avenue Kosciuszko Street Halsey Street Broadway Junction Alabama Avenue Cleveland Street Crescent Street Cypress Hills 85th Street Woodhaven Boulavard 111th Street Sutphin Boulevard : Myrtle Avenue Gates Avenue Chauncey Street Broadway Junction Alabama Avenue Van Siclen Avenue Crescent Street 75th Street Woodhaven Boulavard 104th Street 121st Street Sutphin Boulevard Within the skip-stop zone, both and trains have 12 stops, but sometimes the stops at Alabama Avenue so TA employees can have access to ENY. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Messino Posted January 15, 2010 Share #33 Posted January 15, 2010 It would make more sense if the Z train would only do the following stops since they have major transfer points to/from buses and the rest are Manhattan stops: Sutphin 111st Woodhaven Crescent Eastern Parkway Broadway/Myrtle Marcy Delancy/Essex Bowery Canal Chambers Fulton Broad St. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LRG Posted January 15, 2010 Author Share #34 Posted January 15, 2010 It would make more sense if the Z train would only do the following stops since they have major transfer points to/from buses and the rest are Manhattan stops: Sutphin 111st Woodhaven Crescent Eastern Parkway Broadway/Myrtle Marcy Delancy/Essex Bowery Canal Chambers Fulton Broad St. How can that be done between Sutphin and Broadway Junction without an express track of some sort? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Messino Posted January 15, 2010 Share #35 Posted January 15, 2010 How can that be done between Sutphin and Broadway Junction without an express track of some sort? I dont know, It would be nice though if there was a way to save as much time by using both express tracks after eastern parkway.. Then you have a fast express train to manhattan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LRG Posted January 15, 2010 Author Share #36 Posted January 15, 2010 I dont know, It would be nice though if there was a way to save as much time by using both express tracks after eastern parkway.. Then you have a fast express train to manhattan. I agree with you there. If that trackway by Alabama (if you look above near the station entrance) was utilized and continued along Jamaica Avenue, and track was laid along the el segment of Jamaica Avenue, then maybe there would be express service between Broadway Junction and Sutphin, with a stop at Woodhaven Boulevard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grand Concourse Posted January 15, 2010 Share #37 Posted January 15, 2010 Totally agreed, Woodhaven would have to be reconfigured into a two island platform station and then you could have a real express service on Jamaica Av. That would really make the J/Z lines a much more popular line and could reduce the need for riders to double back to get the E into Manhattan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAA89 Posted January 15, 2010 Share #38 Posted January 15, 2010 : Myrtle Avenue Kosciuszko Street Halsey Street Broadway Junction Alabama Avenue Cleveland Street Crescent Street Cypress Hills 85th Street Woodhaven Boulavard 111th Street Sutphin Boulevard : Myrtle Avenue Gates Avenue Chauncey Street Broadway Junction Alabama Avenue Van Siclen Avenue Crescent Street 75th Street Woodhaven Boulavard 104th Street 121st Street Sutphin Boulevard Within the skip-stop zone, both and trains have 12 stops, but sometimes the stops at Alabama Avenue so TA employees can have access to ENY. I think you missed Norwood Avenue, which is a stop rush hours and at other times. While I see the logic of skip-stop service, I wonder if the time-saving to a commute would not simply be achieved by having more frequent trains make all stops. In other words, if you miss a or a train at a non-major station, you now have a 10 minute wait for the next one, and one of the other trains will pass by without stopping. I would much rather have a shorter wait on the platform than a shorter ride in the train. In any case, trains on all lines experience congestion as they near Manhattan during AM rush hours, (especially after the joins the other Nassau St lines in this example) so the time saving cannot be that beneficial. If you are going to save five minutes on your commute, you might as well do so by having trains stop at every station and each station having a train stop there every 4-5 minutes instead of 10. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T to Dyre Avenue Posted January 15, 2010 Share #39 Posted January 15, 2010 I've always wondered how fast an express run between Broadway Junction and Marcy Avenue would be. Suppose the J ran express between those two stations and the Z started its runs at Broadway Junction and ran local into Manhattan. Would a J running from Jamaica Center running express from Broadway Junction be faster than the current skip-stop service? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grand Concourse Posted January 16, 2010 Share #40 Posted January 16, 2010 It might save 1-2 min at most, but it would mean fewer people being able to ride a train from that segment. Since there are fewer Z trains, you can get away with that running express, but not the J. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
m7zanr160s Posted January 16, 2010 Share #41 Posted January 16, 2010 : Myrtle Avenue Kosciuszko Street Halsey Street Broadway Junction Alabama Avenue Cleveland Street Crescent Street Cypress Hills 85th Street Woodhaven Boulavard 111th Street Sutphin Boulevard : Myrtle Avenue Gates Avenue Chauncey Street Broadway Junction Alabama Avenue Van Siclen Avenue Crescent Street 75th Street Woodhaven Boulavard 104th Street 121st Street Sutphin Boulevard Within the skip-stop zone, both and trains have 12 stops, but sometimes the stops at Alabama Avenue so TA employees can have access to ENY. Yeah, I was going by the strip map on mta.info, which doesn't even list Alabama. Kind of how the WTC-bound stops at Briarwood-Van Wyck and 75th Ave before 7:30pm on weekdays. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LRG Posted January 16, 2010 Author Share #42 Posted January 16, 2010 Yeah, I was going by the strip map on mta.info, which doesn't even list Alabama. Kind of how the WTC-bound stops at Briarwood-Van Wyck and 75th Ave before 7:30pm on weekdays. I meant Norwood Avenue. Sorry for the confusion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CenSin Posted January 16, 2010 Share #43 Posted January 16, 2010 Someone has to do some data mining, because the only thing that matters to people is that the average time it takes for them to get to their destination is low. If I can get from A to B while factoring in the time it takes for the train to arrive and for the train to get to B and it's reasonable, then I'm happy. Just keep in mind that every minute you're standing on the platform, you are moving at exactly 0 mph; lump that together with your trains average speed, and then do an average of those averages after 30 rides and you get the average time it takes for that trip. If I miss my at Coney Island, I'll gladly take the local train which is about 3 to 4 minutes slower to get to Manhattan, but better than waiting another 10 minutes for the next to leave. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
m7zanr160s Posted January 16, 2010 Share #44 Posted January 16, 2010 Someone has to do some data mining, because the only thing that matters to people is that the average time it takes for them to get to their destination is low. If I can get from A to B while factoring in the time it takes for the train to arrive and for the train to get to B and it's reasonable, then I'm happy. Just keep in mind that every minute you're standing on the platform, you are moving at exactly 0 mph; lump that together with your trains average speed, and then do an average of those averages after 30 rides and you get the average time it takes for that trip. If I miss my at Coney Island, I'll gladly take the local train which is about 3 to 4 minutes slower to get to Manhattan, but better than waiting another 10 minutes for the next to leave. Well said. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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