Trainspotter Posted May 23, 2008 Share #1 Posted May 23, 2008 Beating the fare-beaters on new buses Fare-beaters will face a greater chance of getting caught - and having to pay skyrocketing fines - as NYC Transit creates its own force to catch them. Agency "special inspectors" will be deployed initially on a new rapid service bus route being launched along a Bronx-northern Manhattan line, NYC Transit President Howard Roberts said at an MTA committee meeting Thursday. Roberts wouldn't say what the fine would be, but a source said it could rise to $100 from the current $60. "There's been no adjustment for inflation, and [the increase] is badly needed to have the same deterrent effect," Roberts said. Riders along the route, which includes Fordham Road and Pelham Parkway, will pay at machines at bus stops and receive receipts. The change, which is meant to reduce boarding times and speed trips, requires a new enforcement tactic, Roberts said. The agency already has a small number of special inspectors, mostly NYPD veterans. More inspectors are being hired and their role is being expanded, officials said. So far, they have largely been limited to surveillance operations in transit railyards and subway tunnels aimed at catching vandals painting graffiti on parked trains. Inspectors will not carry weapons or have arrest powers. Prohibited behavior under the mass transit system's "rules of conduct" ranges from drinking alcohol and littering to carrying explosives. Some also can result in criminal charges. From: - May 23, 2008 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Northsider Posted May 23, 2008 Share #2 Posted May 23, 2008 Is this a big problem on the MTA? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nycbusfan Posted May 23, 2008 Share #3 Posted May 23, 2008 Is this a big problem on the MTA? People are always getting on the back door to aviod the fare. The thing I hate most about this is that the people who get on through the back door get a seat while the people who get on at the front and pay the fare have to stand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MTARegional Bus Posted May 23, 2008 Share #4 Posted May 23, 2008 Well sometimes when the bus is are almost full alot of people in Front don't want to move in the back so alot them well go to the back door of the bus for more space, in the mean time your standing next to the bus door hoping the bus doesn't get into an accident,so if the MTA wants to beat the fare beaters tell the passengers to leave in the back of the bus instead of font or even better but metrocard fareBox with a sensors in the back . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Northsider Posted May 23, 2008 Share #5 Posted May 23, 2008 Hmm, I don't think I have ever seen someone try to skip the fare by getting on in the back on the CTA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MTARegional Bus Posted May 23, 2008 Share #6 Posted May 23, 2008 Hmm, I don't think I have ever seen someone try to skip the fare by getting on in the back on the CTA. If you leave in the biggest city like NYC you understand,specially in Bronx were alot of people can't afford public transportation or there just being cheap and don't want to pay.and please don't say its just $2.00.it could be that the CTA drivers tells people to pay or get out when they come in the back,were as MTA drivers (no offense to the MTA drivers who are members here) don't really care who gets in the back,they just want to be on time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
East New York Posted May 24, 2008 Share #7 Posted May 24, 2008 Hmm, I don't think I have ever seen someone try to skip the fare by getting on in the back on the CTA. It's definitely a thing of the past, but I have a cousin who works for CTA, and when I was younger, she said they had lots of problems like that in certain neighborhoods, and it didn't shop until the police stared to escort the buses through parts of the city. This was like '88-'90 If you leave in the biggest city like NYC you understand,specially in Bronx were alot of people can't afford public transportation or there just being cheap and don't want to pay.and please don't say its just $2.00.it could be that the CTA drivers tells people to pay or get out when they come in the back,were as MTA drivers (no offense to the MTA drivers who are members here) don't really care who gets in the back,they just want to be on time. It's bad in the Bronx, but I can't remember the last time I saw this happen in Brooklyn or Manhattan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Northsider Posted May 24, 2008 Share #8 Posted May 24, 2008 It's definitely a thing of the past, but I have a cousin who works for CTA, and when I was younger, she said they had lots of problems like that in certain neighborhoods, and it didn't shop until the police stared to escort the buses through parts of the city. This was like '88-'90 Yes, 80s and 90s Chicago was a much different city...as were every other American city. Thankfully it's gotten a lot better, but the CTA remains in shambles. If you leave in the biggest city like NYC you understand,specially in Bronx were alot of people can't afford public transportation or there just being cheap and don't want to pay. Chicago, LA, Boston, etc all have lower income residents...that is not a problem exclusive to NYC. Though I rarely ride through some of the poorer neighborhoods, so it may be that it happens more often there... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MTARegional Bus Posted May 24, 2008 Share #9 Posted May 24, 2008 Chicago, LA, Boston, etc all have lower income residents...that is not a problem exclusive to NYC. Though I rarely ride through some of the poorer neighborhoods, so it may be that it happens more often there... Yea Ride the BX19 from 3rd ave and 149th street to prospect in the afternoons and BX21 and BX17 afternoons and morning rush. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pablo M 201 Posted May 24, 2008 Share #10 Posted May 24, 2008 Yeah, the MTA really wants to stop within the Bronx and want to start the program on the Bx12 Select Bus. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Northsider Posted May 25, 2008 Share #11 Posted May 25, 2008 Ride the BX19 from 3rd ave and 149th street to prospect in the afternoons and BX21 and BX17 afternoons and morning rush. Is that the Harlem neighbourhood? I bet it gets pretty crowded and hectic Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
East New York Posted May 25, 2008 Share #12 Posted May 25, 2008 Is that the Harlem neighbourhood? I bet it gets pretty crowded and hectic Sometimes, but for the most part Harlem isn't too bad. EDIT: Thats the Hub in the BX. I need to stop typing so fast The Hub is cool because there are so many people during the day, but that's not always the case at night. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MTARegional Bus Posted May 25, 2008 Share #13 Posted May 25, 2008 Is that the Harlem neighbourhood? I bet it gets pretty crowded and hectic Its in the Hub in the Bronx's,around 3 in the afternoon the alot of people go in the back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nycbusfan Posted May 25, 2008 Share #14 Posted May 25, 2008 It's bad in the Bronx, but I can't remember the last time I saw this happen in Brooklyn or Manhattan. I see it happen everyday on the B82. Most of the people who do it are high school students. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
East New York Posted May 25, 2008 Share #15 Posted May 25, 2008 I see it happen everyday on the B82. Most of the people who do it are high school students. It's still like that on the B82??? Well I guess the B7 is probably still like that sometimes too. I forget about the school kids sometime. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MTARegional Bus Posted May 25, 2008 Share #16 Posted May 25, 2008 I see it happen everyday on the B82. Most of the people who do it are high school students. Well here is high school student, jr high school student and middle age women mostly single moms and some 30 year old men. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PATCOman Posted May 25, 2008 Share #17 Posted May 25, 2008 - What the MTA needs are doors that are driver operated (SEPTA, Bee-Line, and New Jersey Transit are like that) - BTW, it is impossible to do that in Pittsburgh because the only place where one can board through the back is at a terminal stop. Pittsburgh's system is pay as you leave outbound, and as your board inbound. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sebbieprops Posted May 25, 2008 Share #18 Posted May 25, 2008 Yea Ride the BX19 from 3rd ave and 149th street to prospect in the afternoons and BX21 and BX17 afternoons and morning rush. The Bx41 has to be the worst route in the system, in terms of farebeats. I'd say the Bx12 ranks next, and then the Bx19 and Bx17 (my two home routes). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KTrainExp Posted May 26, 2008 Share #19 Posted May 26, 2008 If you leave in the biggest city like NYC you understand,specially in Bronx were alot of people can't afford public transportation or there just being cheap and don't want to pay.and please don't say its just $2.00.it could be that the CTA drivers tells people to pay or get out when they come in the back,were as MTA drivers (no offense to the MTA drivers who are members here) don't really care who gets in the back,they just want to be on time. Riding to and from Chinatown to West Harlem, I've seen many Asian people dodging the fares. Especially in Flushing. There are some parents that go from the back doors to get on the bus. There are also some kids that are 10 years old who croch to pretend they are shorter to make the scratch on the pole. The revolving turnstile thingys-People go 2 to 3 people at a time to prevent paying. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BklynBob Posted June 1, 2008 Share #20 Posted June 1, 2008 This will never work in nyc.I guess grafitti will be on the rise again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BklynBob Posted June 15, 2008 Share #21 Posted June 15, 2008 Beating the fare-beaters on new buses From: - May 23, 2008 If they have no police/peace officer powers,how can they issue a summons? I believe a person would not be mandated to show I.D. Another waste of precious monetary resources! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
East New York Posted June 15, 2008 Share #22 Posted June 15, 2008 If they have no police/peace officer powers,how can they issue a summons? I believe a person would not be mandated to show I.D. Another waste of precious monetary resources! They will probably just kick them off the bus like they do in the BK. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BklynBob Posted June 15, 2008 Share #23 Posted June 15, 2008 They will have no enforcement powers,they are just ta employees.No different than a bus or train operator.Or a car cleaner! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DOB2RTO Posted June 16, 2008 Share #24 Posted June 16, 2008 If they have no police/peace officer powers,how can they issue a summons? I believe a person would not be mandated to show I.D. Another waste of precious monetary resources! I wholeheartedly agree........ They will probably just kick them off the bus like they do in the BK. Then get punched in the face like they do in the Bronx........ They will have no enforcement powers,they are just ta employees.No different than a bus or train operator.Or a car cleaner! Exactly. MTA just like with their never Neverland B/O paddles (running times), have this idea from the same imaginary land, where pixie fairies fly, that the presence of these "enforcement jokes", will deter people from trying to beat the fare. "Beating the meat-beaters on new buses" should be the headlines on this. These jokes will have better luck getting this done.......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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