Create your own route/variant thread

[DaTransitMan4608]

Saw this type of thread for the MTA Bus Ops forum so I wanted to make one for here.

 

You can make any type of route/variant you want. Just lets keep it sane and argue-free please.

 

I made a couple of routes:

The 394 return trip from the PABT.

395 return trip from GWB.

 

You dont have to make these. Just put down something like this:

(396) Old Bridge-Newark Aiport for example.

[553 Bridgeton]

314 New York via Camden WRTC

314 Philadelphia Greyhound Bus Terminal via Camden WRTC

 

312 Atlantic City

312 Six Flags

312L Six Flags via Lakewood Bus Terminal

312L Atlantic City via Lakewood Bus Terminal

 

418 I-295 Express, Philadelphia

418 I-295 Express, Trenton

 

*408P Pitman Express, Exit 53 P&R

*412P Pitman Express, Exit 53 P&R

*408X Millville Express-Wade Blvd via Mill Rd Exit 32A P&R via Vineland Transportation Ctr

 

*Those people that ride those 408 AM & PM Expresses are pushing for a P&R & more express service via route 55. The plan calls for the 313 to run as a full time express between Glassboro & Rowan University & Philadelphia and the 408 & 412 also. A P&R would be built not far from exit 53 in Pitman. The 313 408/408P 412/412P will serve. The 408 & 412 will get new variants called the 408P & 412P. Some business guy who works in Center City got on my 313 a couple weeks ago and showed me a serious outline of a plan he had well typed out in a folder. I dont feel like writting everything out but this is some of it.

[DaTransitMan4608]

314 New York via Camden WRTC

314 Philadelphia Greyhound Bus Terminal via Camden WRTC

 

312 Atlantic City

312 Six Flags

312L Six Flags via Lakewood Bus Terminal

312L Atlantic City via Lakewood Bus Terminal

 

418 I-295 Express, Philadelphia

418 I-295 Express, Trenton

 

*408P Pitman Express, Exit 53 P&R

*412P Pitman Express, Exit 53 P&R

*408X Millville Express-Wade Blvd via Mill Rd Exit 32A P&R via Vineland Transportation Ctr

 

*Those people that ride those 408 AM & PM Expresses are pushing for a P&R & more express service via route 55. The plan calls for the 313 to run as a full time express between Glassboro & Rowan University & Philadelphia and the 408 & 412 also. A P&R would be built not far from exit 53 in Pitman. The 313 408/408P 412/412P will serve. The 408 & 412 will get new variants called the 408P & 412P. Some business guy who works in Center City got on my 313 a couple weeks ago and showed me a serious outline of a plan he had well typed out in a folder. I dont feel like writting everything out but this is some of it.

 

 

I like those routes, especially the first one. NY-Camden-Philly is something (NJT) needs to consider. Six Flags-AC huh? Sounds good, sounds good. It takes the heat off the 559 in a way because its VERY difficult to get from AC-Six Flags due to the limited connection options at Lakewood.

[553 Bridgeton]

NJT says they dont think an Atlantic City Six Flags route would get enough ridership. I seen on a daily at the AC Bus Term people taking the 559 to Lakewood for the 139 to Freehold so they can hop on a 307. NJT would make some serious money from it. They should atleast fix the 307 to so it starts at Lakewood and make limited stops.

 

And the 314 would be a great route. Too many have to go out of the way to take a 404/405 to Cherry Hill Mall so they can get on Bolt Bus or take the train or bus to phila for Greyhound or MegaShyt or Chinatown Bus just to get to NYC. All NJT has to do is keep the fare about that of Greyhound between NYC & Phila. And the other option for NYC is the RiverLine to Trenton for NEC. The RiverLine is a trip in itself and then you have to hopefully get a train from ny that would arrive at Trenton before the last RL train. There are a ton of people on the south portion of the RL that would love a 314 as alot of ppl on the RL work in NYC. NEC is just a pain in the ass and just slow.

[DaTransitMan4608]

Yeah adjusting the 307 would be a good idea. But I know why its at Freehold instead of Lakewood, the 308 expresses directly to Six Flags after stopping at Newark. What NJT is doing is telling their pax who live along the Rte 9 corridor to get off the 139 at Freehold Center/Mall and get on the 307. Without even remembering that people from South Jersey/Philadelphia wanna take the bus to Great Adventure. What NJT needs to do is make the 312 happen.

 

That 314 is a good idea, theres just one small problem, you might go nuts driving to/from New York and Philadelphia cuz of the NJ Turnpike merge near I-195 and you'll get frustrated easily having to put up that in rush hour. Otherwise the 314 is an awesome idea.

[SirJokaPlaya]

If there was a route that I would like to create or bring back, it would be this:

 

Bring back the classic 181, and have it go via Washington Street and Observer Hwy (similar to how the 84 runs - Trips via Bergenline and Park Aves).

 

The AC to 6 Flags trip makes sense, 553, if there are people waiting to take 2 buses to get a 307. That sounds rather nuts.

 

Have a new line called the 311 - Rockaway Townsquare Mall to New York PABT

 

312 - PABT to Palisades Center

[mfs NJT459]

as far as AC to 6 Flags, i saw a sign at AC Bus Term that says "Take a certain 551 (7am) to Camden WRTC, then connect to the 318."

[553 Bridgeton]

as far as AC to 6 Flags, i saw a sign at AC Bus Term that says "Take a certain 551 (7am) to Camden WRTC, then connect to the 318."

 

More ppl take the 559 to the 139 to Freehold for the 307. There needs to be an AC Six Flags route. Even if its just 2 or 3 buses. Its not like it will be running all year. 42 backs up in the AM so chances are you could miss that 318.

[qjtransitmaster]

314 New York via Camden WRTC

314 Philadelphia Greyhound Bus Terminal via Camden WRTC

 

312 Atlantic City

312 Six Flags

312L Six Flags via Lakewood Bus Terminal

312L Atlantic City via Lakewood Bus Terminal

 

418 I-295 Express, Philadelphia

418 I-295 Express, Trenton

 

*408P Pitman Express, Exit 53 P&R

*412P Pitman Express, Exit 53 P&R

*408X Millville Express-Wade Blvd via Mill Rd Exit 32A P&R via Vineland Transportation Ctr

 

*Those people that ride those 408 AM & PM Expresses are pushing for a P&R & more express service via route 55. The plan calls for the 313 to run as a full time express between Glassboro & Rowan University & Philadelphia and the 408 & 412 also. A P&R would be built not far from exit 53 in Pitman. The 313 408/408P 412/412P will serve. The 408 & 412 will get new variants called the 408P & 412P. Some business guy who works in Center City got on my 313 a couple weeks ago and showed me a serious outline of a plan he had well typed out in a folder. I dont feel like writting everything out but this is some of it.

 

I knew someone was gonna bring it up. OK Now that I completed my plans time to let loose!!!!! You will see parts soon enough. But I will unleash the new regionals.

 

505/504 replaced by 4 regional rtes the regional rtes will follow the travel path the 505 makes in AC similar to 400 rtes in philly.

 

First up 556 AC to wilmington via rte 322 and chester: this rte originates in venice park and after margeret city goes via mill rd to mays landing then via rte 322 the whole way to chester SEPTA station then the casino then onward to wilmington or just chester. King of prussia is extreme and I don't want to tie up NJT with SEPTA's flaws.(this rte has ltd trips to wilmington) (those trips interline with other AC wilmington lines.

 

2nd 557 AC wilmington via rte 40 absorbs parts of 504 uses ACE to rte 54 then rte 40 all the way to wilmington. However should DART 4 select runs extend to swedesboro via carney's point and rte 48 and meet the 557 then 557 may end up in a park and ride at christina mall however this may change based on configuration of DART.

 

3rd 558 AC wilmington(christina mall P&R) via woodstown and rte 322 and farley service plz. supplements the 501 and 501 is merged with 559(eliminating interlining with 553) 552 extends to brigantine via AC express brigantine connector thus creating express type service within AC. 558 AC-wilmington via rte 322 and woodstown goes to sicklerville but stops at farley service plaza to prepare for a new rte there (revealed as extension of another line later on) then goes on rte 322 via glassboro-cross keys rd then unlike 556 runs down rte 45 creating new service there then on rte 40 to rte 48 and carney's point to wimlington. For direct service to downtown wilmington timed transfers will be available to DART at carney's point via DART rte 4(selected trips). There is also transfers available to 557.

 

 

The rest will be posted in the future. I am almost done with northern NJ and the areas around I-287.

[qjtransitmaster]

If there was a route that I would like to create or bring back, it would be this:

 

Bring back the classic 181, and have it go via Washington Street and Observer Hwy (similar to how the 84 runs - Trips via Bergenline and Park Aves).

 

The AC to 6 Flags trip makes sense, 553, if there are people waiting to take 2 buses to get a 307. That sounds rather nuts.

 

Have a new line called the 311 - Rockaway Townsquare Mall to New York PABT

 

312 - PABT to Palisades Center

181 is a duplicate. No one will use it all the way to hoboken. 311 is good but similar to something I said to NJT weinstein in 2010. It was the comment that made them give me his business card. Also a police officer begged me to submit my ideas that year sadly they were woefully incomplete. 312 err rockland coaches has the 20 all you would do is piss off coachusa. Seriously ppl take 2 buses to get to six flags???? Never knew it was that bad.

[qjtransitmaster]

NJT says they dont think an Atlantic City Six Flags route would get enough ridership. I seen on a daily at the AC Bus Term people taking the 559 to Lakewood for the 139 to Freehold so they can hop on a 307. NJT would make some serious money from it. They should atleast fix the 307 to so it starts at Lakewood and make limited stops.

 

And the 314 would be a great route. Too many have to go out of the way to take a 404/405 to Cherry Hill Mall so they can get on Bolt Bus or take the train or bus to phila for Greyhound or MegaShyt or Chinatown Bus just to get to NYC. All NJT has to do is keep the fare about that of Greyhound between NYC & Phila. And the other option for NYC is the RiverLine to Trenton for NEC. The RiverLine is a trip in itself and then you have to hopefully get a train from ny that would arrive at Trenton before the last RL train. There are a ton of people on the south portion of the RL that would love a 314 as alot of ppl on the RL work in NYC. NEC is just a pain in the ass and just slow.

I am impressed you have alot of ballz with this one I didn't know how inconvenient those philly-NYC rtes really were cause they were well quite fast but wouldn't that 314 kill the 413 in a sense. I guess my 307 idea to ocean cty really was a good idea afterall. In my ocean proposal I tried to eliminate oceanride and replace all of their rtes with NJT lines the extension of 307 to long beach via toms river replacing OC10 and parts of OC9. I'd never imagined that it would become a help. However there is another senario is extend 601 to toms river via I-195 and six flags again replacing OC10.

 

I know NEC is utterly useless to NY bound ppl big time unless you are coming from union and middlesex counties.

Yeah adjusting the 307 would be a good idea. But I know why its at Freehold instead of Lakewood, the 308 expresses directly to Six Flags after stopping at Newark. What NJT is doing is telling their pax who live along the Rte 9 corridor to get off the 139 at Freehold Center/Mall and get on the 307. Without even remembering that people from South Jersey/Philadelphia wanna take the bus to Great Adventure. What NJT needs to do is make the 312 happen.

 

That 314 is a good idea, theres just one small problem, you might go nuts driving to/from New York and Philadelphia cuz of the NJ Turnpike merge near I-195 and you'll get frustrated easily having to put up that in rush hour. Otherwise the 314 is an awesome idea.

[Q101 E Midtown]

I have some ideas

 

100 Society Hill-PABT

104 Merritt Street-PABT

 

These are basically interstate versions of the 4 and Journal Square-Society Hill routes, but where I think the 104 stands out is that it provides Hamilton Park access to the PABT without taking a circuitous route via Newport Mall and going through Hoboken.

 

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[553 Bridgeton]

A 314 wouldnt kill the 413. The 314 would operate exactly like the 319 with one stop. And Camden Walter Rand would be that stop.

 

And I agree NEC is useless. But we cant blame njt for that since they are running on Amtraks network which really hurt njt because they dont have an all day express in both directions. Outside of the rush hour NEC is useless and serves no purpose. Those local trains are slow as hell and its annoying watching those amtrak train fly pass. But i cant complain since I dont pay.

 

The 601 to Six Flags & Toms River? Are you nuts? Trenton use to have a Six Flags route but was killed off due to low ridership.

 

And yes I also think its crazy people are willing to take 3 buses just to get that funny feeling on Kingda KA but you have to do what you gotta do.

[qjtransitmaster]

A 314 wouldnt kill the 413. The 314 would operate exactly like the 319 with one stop. And Camden Walter Rand would be that stop.

 

And I agree NEC is useless. But we cant blame njt for that since they are running on Amtraks network which really hurt njt because they dont have an all day express in both directions. Outside of the rush hour NEC is useless and serves no purpose. Those local trains are slow as hell and its annoying watching those amtrak train fly pass. But i cant complain since I dont pay.

 

The 601 to Six Flags & Toms River? Are you nuts? Trenton use to have a Six Flags route but was killed off due to low ridership.

 

And yes I also think its crazy people are willing to take 3 buses just to get that funny feeling on Kingda KA but you have to do what you gotta do.

The reason for 601 to toms river is so AC ppl will not have to take 3 buses to sixflags meaning ppl can use 319 to tomsriver where they will be met with a 601 going to sis flags eliminating the need for your AC six flags rte. The trenton rte was 2 trips and was a super express the 601 won't just go to six flags it will go to toms river meeting the 319 and soon other buses for other points in ocean county this was designed to replace oceanride OC10 was weak so it is replaced by a weak rte like 601 then ridership will be monitored. It is not just for trenton ppl it's for Ocean ppl and AC south jersey as well thanks to the 319. During summer those ppl going to six flags will use 319 to toms river for 601 rather than use 559 to 139 to 307 which is utter madness. Plus goesn't the jackson outlets generate traffic on rte 537??? The 601 has unique characteristics different from 310. Once you see my full plan you will understand how deeply embedded the connections are and one rte modification is more than it seems. With 601 extension travel time to six flags from AC will PLUMMET. Soon a tedious 3 bus trip will be reduced to a 2 bus trip without having to put up with the 559!!!!!!!! The 601 will use rte 571 to reach toms river en rte then GSP to absorb a portion of OC9 en rte to long beach(summers only). Limited service off season BUT WAY BETTER THAN OCEANRIDE!!!!!!!!

 

All I am doing is turning an insane commute into a more sane trip. If it was me I would just drive backtracking from freehold via a slow bus is madness!!!!!!!

 

Look at the oceanride bus map and you will know what I mean click to check http://www.co.ocean.nj.us/Transportation//pdfs//transportation//TransitMap.pdf all oceanride lines are so infrequent they are literally unusable http://www.co.ocean.nj.us/Transportation/TransportationRouteLinkPage.aspx

 

trust me these schedules are shockingly BAD you have been warned

[qjtransitmaster]

I have some ideas

 

100 Society Hill-PABT

104 Merritt Street-PABT

 

These are basically interstate versions of the 4 and Journal Square-Society Hill routes, but where I think the 104 stands out is that it provides Hamilton Park access to the PABT without taking a circuitous route via Newport Mall and going through Hoboken.

 

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good but the 4 was a duplicate rte but what you are trying to do is relieve crowding on 126??? reroute the 104 to the holland tunnel and you have a winner made from a loser rte

[DaTransitMan4608]

3rd 558 AC wilmington(christina mall P&R) via woodstown and rte 322 and farley service plz. supplements the 501 and 501 is merged with 559(eliminating interlining with 553) 552 extends to brigantine via AC express brigantine connector thus creating express type service within AC. 558 AC-wilmington via rte 322 and woodstown goes to sicklerville but stops at farley service plaza to prepare for a new rte there (revealed as extension of another line later on) then goes on rte 322 via glassboro-cross keys rd then unlike 556 runs down rte 45 creating new service there then on rte 40 to rte 48 and carney's point to wimlington. For direct service to downtown wilmington timed transfers will be available to DART at carney's point via DART rte 4(selected trips). There is also transfers available to 557.

 

I hate to kill your spirit, but dude, NJ Transit will never ever ever ever send their buses from Atlantic City to Chester, PA to Wilmington, DE. If people want to go to Delaware they can take the 551 to Philadelphia, then catch an Amtrak or train to Delaware.

[mfs NJT459]

how about having the 314 also begin or originate at Newark Penn Station to Philly? It would be just like how some 308 six flags buses would start at either PABT or Newark Penn Station... and only a few would make say "308 New York via Newark" or "308 Six Flags via Newark"

 

NB

314 New York

via Newark

 

314 Newark Penn Station (like the 319 Jersey City via Newark)

 

SB

314 Philadelphia

via Newark

 

314 Philadelphia

via Newark / via WRTC

[mfs NJT459]

I hate to kill your spirit, but dude, NJ Transit will never ever ever ever send their buses from Atlantic City to Chester, PA to Wilmington, DE. If people want to go to Delaware they can take the 551 to Philadelphia, then catch an Amtrak or train to Delaware.

 

or just take the (NJT) :ac: train to 30th Street and continue from there....

[553 Bridgeton]

The Jackson Outlets does generate traffic, but what is that suppose to imply? The traffic on 537 is mostly those going Six Flags bound. The Atlantic City Outlets generate tourist from all over the country. I just want to see where your going with this. Because that alone doesnt justify a 601 going to Toms River via Six Flags. Its cheaper to add a 312 from AC to Six Flags then to extend the 601 across the damn state.

[qjtransitmaster]

I hate to kill your spirit, but dude, NJ Transit will never ever ever ever send their buses from Atlantic City to Chester, PA to Wilmington, DE. If people want to go to Delaware they can take the 551 to Philadelphia, then catch an Amtrak or train to Delaware.

 

these rtes aren't intended for that they are intended for crosstown service in gloucester and salem counties the rtes cater more towards AC bound ppl than DE bound folk. It's like saying 554 isn't needed due to AC line. Same as saying we don't need 559 cause we have 319. My lines are for local travellers and will manipulate ridership on other gloucester rtes as well. It will correct NJT's lack of cross service decreasing transit travel time making things practical for more ppl. These lines will generate ridership guaranteed. This isn't all about AC although gloucester and salem gain express direct service to AC and DE and even connections to greyhound and SEPTA and DART. It's about connectivity so oven your field of view then you will really see what I mean. It is never about just one use for a rte.

[qjtransitmaster]

I hate to kill your spirit, but dude, NJ Transit will never ever ever ever send their buses from Atlantic City to Chester, PA to Wilmington, DE. If people want to go to Delaware they can take the 551 to Philadelphia, then catch an Amtrak or train to Delaware.

again limited thinking eliminates improvement which kills possibility.

 

or just take the (NJT) :ac: train to 30th Street and continue from there....

again this isn't for non-stop ppl this is for 2 to 3 groups crosstown travellers, ppl in gloucester and salem bound for AC OR Wilmington or other parts of DE. And other parts of AC like margeret city.

 

The Jackson Outlets does generate traffic, but what is that suppose to imply? The traffic on 537 is mostly those going Six Flags bound. The Atlantic City Outlets generate tourist from all over the country. I just want to see where your going with this. Because that alone doesnt justify a 601 going to Toms River via Six Flags. Its cheaper to add a 312 from AC to Six Flags then to extend the 601 across the damn state.

ur right that ALONE isn't enough but there are several factors justifying its extension one of which is better connect ppl to sixflags from ocean and atlantic counties.

 

Extending 601 means no new rte has to be created for six flags to AC. Meaning ppl will be able to simply use 319 to 601 done. Plus 601 will gain a ridership boost. Which should be a cheaper alternative to creating an entirely new rte from scratch. Travel time to six flags via transit will become competitive with driving so instead of using 3 stupidly long routes ppl will use 2 short ones 319 which is express then 601 which goes via rte 571 directly to six flags then mercer cty for some folks that need that. Thus increasing travel possible uses the 601 extension has more uses than the new 312 which is unnessesary. Plus the 601 will indirectly increase 319 ridership south of toms river too. which in turn will inrease ridership on other lines that will link with it. Another 600 series line will merge with 307 via I-195.

[553 Bridgeton]

You cant compare the 554 to the ACL. People take the bus to the train and vise versa, and many people use they monthly for both.. If the ACL was never there the 554 would be a sardine can.

 

Njt Mercer would never go for that. This is not about giving the 319 more ridership.

[qjtransitmaster]

You cant compare the 554 to the ACL. People take the bus to the train and vise versa, and many people use they monthly for both.. If the ACL was never there the 554 would be a sardine can.

 

Njt Mercer would never go for that. This is not about giving the 319 more ridership.

 

NJT mercer gets turned into just NJT these NJT this and that are not nessesary. Ya never know it may be more effective than the 310 ever was. It also better links monmouth with mercer but I have more planned 601 is just one of them.

 

 

Again my 556,557,558 lines are intended for east west travel that currently doesn't exist in gloucester once that is complete true demand will be revealed.

[DaTransitMan4608]

Njt Mercer would never go for that. This is not about giving the 319 more ridership.

 

He's right, Most people dont need to go to Toms River from Trenton that way. They can just ride the 409 or take the RiverLine to WRTC for a 551 to Atlantic City.

 

 

And another thing, this thread was meant for members to create their own route. I dont want this topic to die because of this "plan". So lets go back to how this thread started, by giving users the oppurtunity to make their own NJT route. No more plan talk please qjt.

[qjtransitmaster]

He's right, Most people dont need to go to Toms River from Trenton that way. They can just ride the 409 or take the RiverLine to WRTC for a 551 to Atlantic City.

 

 

And another thing, this thread was meant for members to create their own route. I dont want this topic to die because of this "plan". So lets go back to how this thread started, by giving users the oppurtunity to make their own NJT route. No more plan talk please qjt.

I was talking about creation that was all I had along with a few northern rtes but the rest is reroutings. The 601 again is only an option and is only about connectivity and takes ppl to six flags from SJ faster now don't compare this with 551 those have completely different purposes!!!!!!!! This isn't just about trenton that is just one of the uses. I will take all day to explain each and every use for it. This also will be a way to test if the 312 really is needed. Should the six flags crowds prove too much for the 2 bus combo to handle then 312 will get created since the conservative approach won't work. My ideas are very deeply embedded into a network and create several different opportunities. So again 409 to wrtc err NO. That is for sj bound ppl not ocean bound. Plus that plus six flags ppl from AC and parts south will benefit from this rte.