official Subway - What If?

[CenSin]

Local in Brooklyn to Canal St via Montague Tubes and Downtown Brooklyn

 

runs in two sections:

Ditmars Boulevard-34th Street

Canal Street (Tunnel Level)-Coney Island

 

If the SAS is running, operates between 96th Street-2nd Avenue and 34th Street ONLY, otherwise is suspended.

 

runs in two sections:

71st-Continental to 34th Street

Canal Street (Tunnel Level)-95th Street/Bay Ridge (some trains begin and end at Whitehall Street).

Can anyone explain to me how trains are turning at Canal Street from Brooklyn going back to Brooklyn?

[DailyDose]

Can anyone explain to me how trains are turning at Canal Street from Brooklyn going back to Brooklyn?

 

 

There are switches south of the Canal St platform allowing for this type of turning. It's pretty ineffective but in such a situation this could be a vital link to other Manhattan lines.

[CenSin]

 

There are switches south of the Canal St platform allowing for this type of turning. It's pretty ineffective but in such a situation this could be a vital link to other Manhattan lines.

But imagine how much work it would be to turn the train: pull in to northbound platform, reverse into a middle track, reverse to southbound platform, reverse towards Brooklyn. It would also assume the tracks aren’t being used for storage at the time.

 

I actually like this:

is re-routed after Essex Street via the to Broad Street, then via Montauge and then via the to Coney Island, replacing the latter in Brooklyn.

Here goes:

It can take the place of the up to Canal Street while the Broadway Line is closed from 34 Street–Herald Square to South Ferry–Whitehall Street. Nostalgia for those old enough to remember the normally running down the Brighton Line.

[PieSuperPAC]

A major tsunami has taken out the 60th St, 63rd St, 14th St, Clark St and Montague tunnels. The damage will take at least a month to fix. What do you do?

E 241 St-Wall St via 7 Av Local

148 St Lenox Terminal-Times Sq

Woodlawn-New Lots Av via Eastern Parkway Local

Dyre Av-Flatbush (at all times) via Eastern Parkway Local

Clark St and Hoyt St are closed

Bedford Av-Canarsie

14 St Shuttle 8 Av-3 Av

1 Av is closed

 59 St/Lex-Whitehall St

Court St is closed

96 St/2 Av-Coney Island

96 St/2 Av-95 St via Bridge via 4 Av Local

Astoria Shuttle Ditmars Blvd-Queensboro Plaza

 Continental Av-Coney Island via 6 Av Express via 53rd St via Queens Blvd Local

 57 St/6 Av-Metropolitan Av

 via 53rd St with some trains via Crosstown

21 St-Queensbridge and Roosevelt Island are closed

Continental Av-Church Av via Queens Blvd Local

Edited October 24, 2016 by PieSuperPAC

[D to Burke Avenue]

A major tsunami has taken out the 60th St, 63rd St, 14th St, Clark St and Montague tunnels. The damage will take at least a month to fix. What do you do?

60th Street Tubes & Montague Tubes Closed

 

runs in 2 sections:

 

96St-2Av to Stillwell via Broadway Express

Ditmars Blvd to Queensboro Plaza SHUTTLE

 

57St-6Av to Stillwell via Bridge & 6 Avenue Express

 

LexAv-59St to 95St-4Av via Bridge and Broadway Local

 

LexAv-59 St to South Ferry-Whitehall via Broadway Local

 

suspended

 

runs from Metropolitan Av to Essex Street ALL TIMES

 

63rd Street Tube Closed

 

trains run via 53 Street & Queens Blvd Local All Times

trains run Express in Queens all times except late nights

trains become full length cars and run from 71-Continental to Church Ave

 

21 St-Queensbridge is closed

 

Clark St Tunnels Closed

 

trains run from Wakefield-241 to Wall St via 7th Ave Express

trains run from Harlem-148 to Wall St via 7th Ave Express

trains are extended to New Lots Avenue via Eastern Parkway local

trains run from Eastchester-Dyre Av to Flatbush Ave all times via Eastern Parkway local

 

Clark and Hoyt Sts closed

 

14 Street Tube closed

 

Bedford Av to Canarsie

 

M14 replaces the Manhattan section of the from 8 Av to 1 Av.

Edited October 24, 2016 by D to Burke Avenue

[Javier]

A train derails and damages all of the tracks at 36th St in Brooklyn. No trains can pass through 36th St and it will take at least 5 months to fix. What do you do?

[Fresh Pond]

A train derails and damages all of the tracks at 36th St in Brooklyn. No trains can pass through 36th St and it will take at least 5 months to fix. What do you do?

205 St to Atlantic Av, 9 Av to Coney Island

Astoria to Jay St via Whitehall, 8 Av to Coney Island

71 Av to Whitehall St

[DailyDose]

A train derails and damages all of the tracks at 36th St in Brooklyn. No trains can pass through 36th St and it will take at least 5 months to fix. What do you do?

 

71st - Atlantic Ave

Coney Island - 9th Ave, Atlantic Ave - 207th St

Coney Island - 59th St, Whitehall St - Astoria

95th St - 45th St, (single track, downtown side)

 

Shuttle buses from 59th St to Atlantic Ave, all stops

Edited October 24, 2016 by DailyDose

[CenSin]

A train derails and damages all of the tracks at 36th St in Brooklyn. No trains can pass through 36th St and it will take at least 5 months to fix. What do you do?

That train operator must be dead. The physics to make that possible would kill everyone on the train! And it would involve multiple failures such as signals not properly preventing the train from moving too fast into the station.

Edited October 25, 2016 by CenSin

[Fresh Pond]

That train operator must be dead. The physics to make that possible would kill everyone on the train! And it would involve multiple failures such as signals not properly preventing the train from moving too fast into the station.

I'm more shocked other can be fixed in 5 months lol

[Javier]

Well it was a track fire + blackout + broken rail + rail condition + terrosim + earthquake + tsunmai.

[CenSin]

Well it was a track fire + blackout + broken rail + rail condition + terrosim + earthquake + tsunmai.

And total negligence since the MTA let trains run through there during a disaster. And if there is a blackout, I’d assume the electricity would be out, which means the trains don’t move. Tsunamis can be forecast, and so can earthquakes.

 

Maybe the terrorists were in control of the train, signals, and they sent someone to provide backup power generators to the tracks at 36 Street? That’s a lot of work to put a station out for 5 months and kill a train and/or station full of people.

[P3F]

7th Avenue is unusable for three days due to an important criminal investigation. Describe how rush hour service would be affected.

[PieSuperPAC]

7th Avenue is unusable for three days due to an important criminal investigation. Describe how rush hour service would be affected.

runs via CPW Local

runs 205 St-Euclid Av via Concourse line using some trains from Concourse Yard

runs via 6 Av Local switching to 8 Av Local at W 4th St

Suspended

runs 96 St-Coney Island exclusively using trains from Coney Island Yard

runs normally

runs Metropolitan Av-Chambers Street to free up space on 6 Av for the

Edited October 25, 2016 by PieSuperPAC

[CenSin]

7th Avenue is unusable for three days due to an important criminal investigation. Describe how rush hour service would be affected.

Run extra and trains.

 

service runs from Norwood–205 Street to 2 Avenue via 8 Avenue local. Its normal route is pretty much covered by the , , , and up to 57 Street–7 Avenue. Transfer to the at Times Square–42 Street or at West 4 Street–Washington Square for the remainder of the route.

 

service runs from 42 Street–Bryant Park to Coney Island–Stillwell Avenue. The rest of its route is covered by the . For 7 Avenue, transfer to any of the Broadway routes at 34 Street–Herald Square.

 

service diverted via 6 Avenue from 5 Avenue/53 Street to West 4 Street–Washington Square. Take the for 57 Street–7 Avenue, 49 Street, and Times Square–42 Street. Times Square–42 Street is also covered by the . Stations in between 42 Street–Port Authority Bus Terminal and West 4 Street–Washington Square are covered by the , , and ; transfer to them at West 4 Street–Washington Square.

 

service is diverted to Chambers Street. For stations along the normal route, transfer at Canal Street to and of the Broadway routes which serve nearby stations from Prince Street to 5 Avenue. The takes over from Queens Plaza to Forest Hills–71 Avenue. For express stations along Queens Boulevard, transfer to the at Delancey Street–Essex Street.

 

 

Affected routes: 4.

Edited October 25, 2016 by CenSin

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And total negligence since the MTA let trains run through there during a disaster. And if there is a blackout, I’d assume the electricity would be out, which means the trains don’t move. Tsunamis can be forecast, and so can earthquakes.

 

Maybe the terrorists were in control of the train, signals, and they sent someone to provide backup power generators to the tracks at 36 Street? That’s a lot of work to put a station out for 5 months and kill a train and/or station full of people.

Lmao...That's a railfans worst nightmare...Terrorists in control of a train

[A Former New Yorker]

A train derails and damages all of the tracks at 36th St in Brooklyn. No trains can pass through 36th St and it will take at least 5 months to fix. What do you do?

Trains Run Via The Line From W 4 St To Coney Island

 

Trains Run Via The Line From Canal St To Coney Island

 

Trains Will Operate From Forest Hills-71 Av To Whitehall St Trains Run Every 6 Min On Weekdays And Every 11 Min Middays/Weekends

[A Former New Yorker]

7th Avenue is unusable for three days due to an important criminal investigation. Describe how rush hour service would be affected.

Train Service Is Suspended

 

Trains Run In Two Sections

 

Between Norwood-205 St and World Trade Center Via The Line Trains Run Every 7 Min. 2. Between 34 St - Herald Sq and Coney Island Trains Run Every 10 Min Additional Train Service Will Be Added For As Well As Shuttle Buses To Connect Riders From Every Train Stop From Bay 50th St To 9 Av (Except 62 St) To The Nearest Train Stop

 

Trains Run Via The Line From 21st St - Queensbridge To W 4 St Jamaica 179th St Trips Are Suspended

 

and Trains Have Modified Schedules For Rush Hour As Of Now

[A Former New Yorker]

Track fire at West 4 Street–Washington Square due to some crazy homeless woman throwing burning gasoline-soaked garbage into the tunnels right where the switches are. Visibility is a problem in the tunnels and station on both levels and so West 4 Street–Washington Square is out of commission. A newly radicalized terrorist happened to have seen it and decided to copy the woman’s example. He dragged a waste bin from the streets above, set the contents on fire and tossed the contents onto the tracks at 8 Street–NYU, a nearby station. Fire and smoke took over the southern end of the southbound platform and tracks. Out of an abundance of caution, the entire station had been put out of service with no trains going through it. Personnel is being dispatched to take care of the problems and assess the damages.

Jesus This Is Hard But Here Goes

 

Trains Run In Two Sections 1.Inwwood - 207th St To 34th St - Penn Station Trains Run Every 7 Min 2. Chambers St To Lefferts Blvd/Mott Av Trains Run Every 6 Min Every 12 Min From Rockaway Blvd To Lefferts Blvd/Mott Av Trains Are Local In Both Directions

 

Train Service Is Suspended

 

Train Service Is Suspended

 

Trains Run In Two Sections 1. Between Norwood-205 St and 34th St-Herald Sq Trains Run Every 10 Min

2. Between Atlantic Av - Barclays Ctr And Coney Island Trains Run Every 10 Min

 

Train Service Is Suspended

 

Trains Run In Two Sections 1. Between Jamaica-179th St and 34th St - Herald Sq Trains Are Local In Queens. Trains Run Every 7 Min

2.Between Delaney St and Coney Island Trains Run Every 7 Min

 

Train Shuttle Buses Run From 34th St- Penn Station To Chambers St Express Buses Only Stop At 14th St, W 4 St, Canal St and Chambers St Buses Display Subway Shuttle On The Destination Sign

 

Train Shuttle Buses Run From 34th St To Grand St.

 

Train Shuttle Buses Run From 34th St To Delancey St

 

As For 8th St - NYU

 

Trains Run In Two Sections 1.Astoria - Ditmars Blvd To 34th St-Hearld Square

 

Trains Only Run From Atlantic Av-Barclays St To Coney Island

 

Trains Only Run From Court St To Bay Ridge - 95 St

[Javier]

Severe budget cuts force the elimination of the , , , , Franklin AV , , the north of Essex St, and the . What do you do to replace service?

[PieSuperPAC]

Severe budget cuts force the elimination of the , , , , Franklin AV , , the north of Essex St, and the . What do you do to replace service?

runs local on entire route

Rockaway converted to running express 14 St/8 Av-Rockaway Park

runs via CPW Local, and 6 Av Local

Now runs Forest Hills-Coney Island via Queens Blvd Local and Crosstown Local

runs via 6 Av Local from 21 St-Queensbridge to Church Av

runs via Broadway Local, Montague Tunnel and 4 Av Local

runs Forest Hills-Coney Island via Queens Blvd Local and Broadway Local

2 Av runs 96 St-57 St/7 Av

runs 179 St-Jamaica Center via Queens Blvd Express, 63rd St, and 6 Av Express

 runs Metropolitan Av-95 St via 4 Av Local  

Franklin bustituted

[bstar1]

Full-time Local

Normal service Brooklyn(4 Av Exp between 36 St and Atlantic Av) and Exp in Manhattan, Full-time Local service in The Bronx No Peak Direction Express.

Normal Service In Manhattan Express Service In Queens(overnights Loc).

Express in Queens between 21 St Queensbridge and Forest Hills-71 Av. Then local between 75 Av to 179 St.

Full-time Local service No Express and Skip Stop.

Full-time Local service in Brooklyn and Manhattan.

Normal Local Service in Brooklyn Express in Manhattan.

Restore for Weekday Brighton Exp in Brooklyn and Manhattan to 57 St-7 Av.

Replace via 4 Av Local to 95 St.

Restore replace between Court Sq and Church Av then Queens Blvd Local to Forest Hills.

Edited October 26, 2016 by bstar1

[DailyDose]

Severe budget cuts force the elimination of the , , , , Franklin AV , , the north of Essex St, and the . What do you do to replace service?

 

B48 bus service increase

 

normal service

Service implemented, runs along route from Smith 9 St to Forest Hills via Local

replaces in Brooklyn, local.

local in Brooklyn weekdays

[Wallyhorse]

A major tsunami has taken out the 60th St, 63rd St, 14th St, Clark St and Montague tunnels. The damage will take at least a month to fix. What do you do?

Interesting you keep the Steinway (42nd Street) tunnels plus Joralemon, Cranberry, Rutgers and 53rd open in this scenario.  This scenario assumes the SAS has OPENED by the time this happens:

 

runs 241st Street to 14th Street (normal route)

runs 148th Street-South Ferry (local south of Times Square)

Shuttle runs on 7th Avenue express tracks between Chambers Street and Wall Street

 

runs all times to New Lots Avenue

runs all times to Flatbush Avenue

 

runs at all times and replaces the as the Coney Island local in Brooklyn

 

runs with trains from Coney Island running EITHER:

Via the Crosstown to 179th Street

Via 53rd Street to 179th Street

Normal route to 57th Street-6th Avenue, then via the to 96th Street-2nd Avenue

(One-third of trains operate each route)

Shuttle buses operate between Queens Plaza and 63rd Street-Lexington Avenue, stopping at Court Square but skipping Roosevelt Island (which is closed).

is extended to 71st Street-Continental Avenue to replace lost local service on Queens Boulevard

 

runs Bedford Avenue-Rockaway Parkway (some trains begin/end at Lorimer Street)

If there are sufficient trains in Manhattan, then a shuttle can run between 1st and 8th Avenues (single-tracked east of Union Square)

 

service is split with alternating trains running between Metropolitan Avenue and EITHER 71st-Continental OR 96th Street-2nd Avenue (one-half of trains runs each route)

 

is split as follows:

One-third of trains running normal route between 95th Street-Bay Ridge and 71st-Continental, but via the Bridge in Manhattan.

One-third of trains running between 95th Street-Bay Ridge and Court Street ONLY

One-third of trains running between Whitehall Street and 71st-Continental

 

runs normal route in Manhattan.

 

There are switches south of the Canal St platform allowing for this type of turning. It's pretty ineffective but in such a situation this could be a vital link to other Manhattan lines.

Yeah, it's not the best way to do it, but it does provide service along the stretch between Whitehall and Canal that some people are looking for, especially those looking for the World Trade Center.

[Wallyhorse]

Severe budget cuts force the elimination of the , , , , Franklin AV , , the north of Essex St, and the . What do you do to replace service?

This version does not abandon any lines.

 

is local throughout and is split running full-time between Far Rockaway and Rockaway Park on most likely a 4/3 split during the day (four to Far Rockaway for every three to Rockaway Park) and running every 15 minutes (split evenly between Far Rockaway and Rockaway Park) late nights.

 

runs as it does now EXCEPT for NO peak-direction service in the Bronx.

 

is extended to Lefferts Boulevard at ALL TIMES.  Trains run local at all times EXCEPT rush hours, when such trains run on the express track and skip 23rd and Spring Street in Manhattan and then run express in Brooklyn.  

Rush hours, a LIMITED number of trains terminate at Chambers Street and are local in Manhattan (such have the <E> designation).

 

service is reduced by one-third to Manhattan, one third of trains run via the crosstown between Roosevelt Avenue (stopping at Queens Plaza) and Bergen Street.

 

runs 24/7 between Jamaica Center and 95th Street-Bay Ridge

 

runs as a 2 TPH supplement on the 8th Avenue line between Chambers Street and 168th Street in Manhattan except late nights (when the Chambers Street-WTC platform is CLOSED).

 

Franklin Avenue is replaced by buses.