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A power outage cuts power to the 53rd St tubes, the 63rd St Line, and the 6th Avenue Line, affecting (B)(D)(E)(F)(M) services. What happens now?

 

 

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(E) WTC - Lex Ave/53rd (assuming its not affected)

 

(B) Brighton Beach - 42nd St

(D) To 205th St via 8th Ave

(F) Coney Island - 57th St, Queensbridge - Jamaica 179th

In Manhattan, use (Q), Q102 is free for Roosevelt Islanders

(G) Extended to 71st-Continental via Express

(M) To Broad St, use (F) or Crosstown trains

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A power outage cuts power to the 53rd St tubes, the 63rd St Line, and the 6th Avenue Line, affecting (B)(D)(E)(F)(M) services. What happens now?

 

 

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(B) Astoria-Ditmars Blvd to Brighton Beach via Broadway Express

(D) via 8 Av Local, Rutgers St & Culver, some trains terminate at 2 Av

(E) Jamaica Center-Parsons/Archer to Coney Island via Broadway Local, Whitehall St, 4 Av Express & West End, some trains run via Queens Blvd Local

(F) via Crosstown

(G) Church Av to Forest Hills-71 Av via Queens Blvd Local (to reduce switching delays & provide extra service)

(M) Middle Village-Metropolitan Av to Chambers St via Nassau St

(N) Some trains run to 96 St-2 Av

(R) Bay Ridge-95 St to Whitehall St, use  (E) for Manhattan/Queens service

(W) Suspended, replaced by (B)(E)

 

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A northbound train derails on the switch just before Prince Street. No service is allowed through as the situation is being resolved.

 

Lines affected: (N), (Q), (R), (W)

If the southbound local track is not available…

Kings Highway-bound (F) trains via Crosstown (to lessen the load on 6 Avenue local)

(N) from Astoria to Herald Square

(Q) via 6 Avenue express

(R) via 63 Street and 6 Avenue local

(W) from South Ferry to Coney Island

 

If the southbound local track is available…

Northbound (F) trains originating from Kings Highway run via Crosstown (to lessen the load on 6 Avenue local)

(N) from Astoria to Herald Square as Broadway express

Southbound (Q) as Broadway local and northbound (Q) via 6 Avenue express

Southbound (R) as normal and northbound (R) via 6 Avenue local and 63 Street

(W) from South Ferry to Coney Island

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(N) Coney Island to Atlantic Av-Barclays.

 

(R) 2 Sections: Bay Ridge-95 St to Whitehall St and Forest Hills-71 Av to 5 Av-59 St.

 

(W) Astoria Ditmars Blvd to Queensborough Plaza.

 

(Q) 2 Sections: 96 St to 34 St-Herald Sq, and Coney Island to Atlantic Av-Barclays.

 

(D) Local 36 St to Atlantic Av-Barclays then travel along (B) after Dekalb Av.

 

(B) 2 Sections: Brighton Beach to Kings Highway and 145 St to 2 Av. Travel either 6 Av or 8 Av Local to W 4 St then (F) line to 2 Av.

 

Some (F) trains operate along (G) Line.

 

(M) Metropolitan Av to Chambers St.

 

Riders could utilize other Subway routes for nearby stations along Broadway Line.

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Weekdays

(F) - some train run via (G) line in both direction

(N) - Coney Island - Canal St (Upper level)

(Q) - via 6th Ave/63rd st Exp

(R) - via 6th Ave/53rd st Lcl

(W) - 34th st - Astoria

(S) - Single Shuttle 14th st - 34th st

 

Late Night

(N) - Coney Island - Canal St (Up)

(Q) - via 6th Ave/63rd St Lcl

(R) - 95th St - Whitehall St

(W) - 34th St - Astoria

(S) - Single Shuttle 14th st - 34th st

 

Weekend

(N) - Coney Island - Canal St (Up)

(Q) - 6th Ave/63rd St Exp

(R) - 6th Ave/53rd St Lcl

(W) - 34th St - Astoria

(S) - Single Shuttle 14th St - 34th St

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A northbound train derails on the switch just before Prince Street. No service is allowed through as the situation is being resolved.

 

Lines affected: (N), (Q), (R), (W)

 

 

IF SOUTHBOUND UN-AVAILIBLE: 

 

(W) Suspended

(Q) via 6th Avenue in both directions 

(N) Two Sections: between Ditmars Blvd and 34th Herald & Between 36th street and Coney Island (Rush Hours some extended to Whitehall)

(R) Canal Street or Whitehall St and Bay Ridge-95th St. 

(M) Extended to Forest Hills all times (except rush)

(B) reduced service during peak hours to accommodate extra (Q)’s down 6th ave

 

IF SOUTHBOUND AVAILABLE:

 

(W) Suspended

(Q) Southbound via Broadway Local & Northbound via 6th Ave Express

(R) Southbound via Broadway Local & Northbound via 6th Ave/53rd St Local 

(N) Two Sections: Ditmars Blvd and 34th Herald Sq (stops 49th Northbound only) & 36th and Coney Island

(B), (D) & (M) Reduced Service during peak hours to accommodate re-routed (Q) & (R)

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A northbound train derails on the switch just before Prince Street. No service is allowed through as the situation is being resolved.

 

Lines affected: (N), (Q), (R), (W)

(B) suspended

(D)(F)(M) reduced service

(N) in two sections: Astoria-Ditmars to 34th Street, and Stillwell Avenue to Atlantic-Barclays

(Q)<Q> via 6th Avenue

(R) Whitehall St to Bay Ridge-95

(W) suspended

Some (J) trains to Bay Ridge

Some (G) trains to Forest Hills-71

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A northbound train derails on the switch just before Prince Street. No service is allowed through as the situation is being resolved.

 

Lines affected: (N), (Q), (R), (W)

(N) service runs is two sections. 1. Between Astoria Ditmars Blvd and Queensboro Plaza. 2. Between South Ferry and Coney Island

 

(Q) service rerouted via the 6 Avenue Local in Manhattan, still running between 96 St and Coney Island

 

(R) service runs in two sections. 1. Between 57 St and 71 Av. 2. Between South Ferry and 95 St.

 

(B)(W) service is suspended.

 

(D) runs local in Bronx, both directions

 

(F) unchanged

 

(M) service rerouted via the Nassau St Line in Manhattan, running between Metropolitan Av and Coney Island via Myrtle Av Line, Nassau St Line, 4 Av Express, and West End Local

 

 

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A northbound train derails on the switch just before Prince Street. No service is allowed through as the situation is being resolved.

 

Lines affected: (N), (Q), (R), (W)

 

Assuming the entire area is FUBAR:

 

(N) runs in two sections:

Ditmars Boulevard-34th Street

Canal Street (Tunnel Level)-Coney Island (some trains begin and end at Whitehall Street)

 

(Q) runs in two sections:

96th Street and 2nd Avenue-34th Street

Canal Street (Tunnel Level)-Coney Island (some trains begin and end at Whitehall Street)

Some (Q) trains run through service via the (F) between 63rd Street-Lexington Avenue and West 4th Street and then via the (B) to DeKalb Avenue before resuming regular route.

 

(R) runs via the (F) between 36th Street in Queens and 47th-50th Street in Manhattan and then via the (B) between West 4th and DeKalb Avenue before returning to its normal route

 

(W) is suspended.

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A massive fire on the Sixth Avenue Line (B)(D)(F)(M) platforms at 34th Street renders all four tracks impassable.

 

(B) Runs in two sections

Bedford Park Blvd to 2 Av via 8 Av Local

West 4 St to Brighton Beach

(C) via 8 Av Express south of 59 St

(D) via 8 Av Local, Rutgers St & Culver, some trains run via 8 Av Express & Cranberry St

(F) via Broadway Express, 4 Av Express & West End, select trains run via Crosstown & Culver

(M) via 8 Av Local/53 St, some trains run to Chambers St via Nassau St

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A massive fire on the Sixth Avenue Line (B)(D)(F)(M) platforms at 34th Street renders all four tracks impassable.

(B) service is suspended.

(D) service is rerouted via the 8th Avenue Local in Manhattan, and runs local both directions in Bronx. Trains run via the Culver Line.

(F) service is rerouted away from Manhattan via the Crosstown Line. Trains still run between 179th St and Coney Island.

(M) service is rerouted via the Nassau St Line in Manhattan, as well as running to Coney Island in Brooklyn via the 4 Av Express and West End Local.

 

 

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A massive fire on the Sixth Avenue Line (B)(D)(F)(M) platforms at 34th Street renders all four tracks impassable.

 

 

(B) Suspended 

(W) Suspended

(F) via West End, 4th Ave Express, Broadway Express, 63rd St

(D) via Culver Local. Runs via (A) line Exp between W4 and 59th.

(M) via (E) line between 5ave/53rd and W4th street

(N) via Broadway Local (Peak Hours some trains run via Montague) 

(Q) Extra Service: In Brooklyn to supplement suspended (B) Trains. Some of the extra 96st bound trains run to Astoria to supplement suspended (W) trains.

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A massive fire on the Sixth Avenue Line (B)(D)(F)(M) platforms at 34th Street renders all four tracks impassable.

Assuming the Broadway Line tracks are NOT also affected by this:

 

(B) is suspended

 

(C) runs via the Concourse line north of 145th Street to Bedford Park Boulevard or 205th Street (except late nights) to replace the (B) and supplement the split (D)

 

(D) is split in the following manner:

Some trains from Coney Island run north of Atlantic-Barclays via Broadway and the SAS to 96th Street-2nd Avenue (express in Manhattan)

Some trains from Coney Island run north of Atlantic-Barclays via regular route to West 4th Street, where they terminate

Some trains from 205 run via regular route to 42nd Street-6th Avenue, where they terminate

Some trains from 205 run via 8th Avenue to West 4th and then to 2nd Avenue (F) station, where they terminate

 

(F) is split in the following manner:

Some trains run between 42nd Street-6th Avenue and 179th in Queens

Some trains run between Coney Island and West 4th Street (where they terminate) via regular route

Some trains run via the Crosstown between Bergen Street and Roosevelt Avenue (express in Queens and stopping at Queens Plaza)

Some trains run via 8th Avenue and the 53rd Street tunnel between West 4th Street and Roosevelt Avenue

 

(M) is re-routed via 8th Avenue and the CPW line from West 4th to 168th Street to replace the (B) between Columbus Circle and 145th Street and the (C) between 145th and 168th Streets.

 

(N) runs via the tunnel on Broadway to accommodate the additional (D) service via Broadway and ALL (N) trains run to Astoria.

 

(W) is suspended due to adjustments from other lines.

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What if the power outage at Downtown Brooklyn effected on (2)(3)(4)(5)(A)(B)(C)(D)(F)(G)(N)(Q)(R)

 

 

This one is tough..... especially since there isn’t a lot of details. 

 

By the routes given, I’ll assume the three stations that are out of play are Atlantic/Barclays, Jays St Metro Tech and Hoyt- Schermerhorn. 

 

A Division: 

 

(2) Two Sections, Between Wakefield-241st and Chambers or South Ferry & Franklin Ave - Flatbush

(3 Two Sections, Between Harlem 148th and 14st or Chambers & Franklyn Ave - New Lots

(4) Woodlawn-Bowling Green (Local Uptown from Brooklyn Bridge to Grand Central)

(5) Eastchester Dyre- Grand Central 

 

B Division: 

 

(A Two Sections, Inwood 207st-WTC Local & Clinton-Washington - Rockaways/Lefferts

(B Suspended

(C) 24 HR) 168st, 8th Ave Local, via Christie St and via J line to Jamaica Center. This way some Brooklyn residents get one seat service to West Side Manhattan. 

(D) Norwood 205-2 ave

(E  Jamaica Center- WTC or 2 ave

(F  4th Ave - Coney Island

(G) Forest Hills-Bedford Sty

(J) Limited Service due to C Presence/ Z Suspended 

(M) 24 HR) Jamaica 179-Metropolitan LOCAL VIA 63RD ST.

(N) Two Sections, Astoria Ditmars- Whitehall St & 36st and Coney Island (Southbound via Sea Beach Northbound via West End) 

(Q) Two Sections, 96st-34th Herald & Prospect Park- Coney Island

(R) 36st or 59th st and Bay Ridge 95th 

(W) Suspended

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What if the power outage at Downtown Brooklyn effected on 2/3/4/5/A/B/C/D/F/G/N/Q/R 

This would all depend on how far the outage is.  I assume for this purpose at least just past the Barclays Center but Manhattan is NOT affected:

 

Special "Bridge Bus" shuttles operate between Canal Street and the starting points for the Brooklyn lines

 

(2) runs in two sections:

241st-Wakefield to South Ferry (1) station, running local south of 96th Street in Manhattan

Franklin Avenue-Flatbush Avenue (some trains begin and end at Eastern Parkway)

 

(3) runs 148th Street-Chambers Street ONLY!

 

A single-track shuttle operates between Chambers and Wall Street on the Broadway Express line.

 

(4) operates in two sections:

Woodlawn-Bowling Green (normal route)

Franklin Avenue-New Lots Avenue (replacing the (3) at all times)

 

(5) runs between Dyre Avenue and Brooklyn Bridge ONLY (local in Manhattan)!

 

(A) operates in two sections:

207-Chambers Street (Cranberry Tunnel Platform) with a single-track shuttle between Chambers and Fulton Street

Utica Avenue-Lefferts Avenue OR Far Rockaway

 

(B) is suspended

 

(C) runs normal route to West 4th, then runs via the (M) to Essex Street and then (J) to Broadway Junction on the Broadway-Brooklyn line, where it terminates. 

 

(D) runs in two sections:

205th Street to Broadway-Lafayette

36th Street-Coney Island via regular route

 

(F) runs in two sections:

179th Street to Delancey Street or East Broadway

Smith-9th Streets to Coney Island via regular route

 

(G) operates between Court Square and Bedford-Nostrand Avenues ONLY!

(Shuttle buses run between Bedford-Nostrand and Smith-9th Streets)

 

(N) operates between 36th Street and Prospect Park in Brooklyn, looping through the Coney Island Station and replacing the (Q) on the Brighton Line.

 

(Q) operates between 96th Street-2nd Avenue and Whitehall Street ONLY (some trains terminate and begin at Canal Street on the tunnel level).

 

(R) operates between 71st-Continental and Whitehall Street ONLY (some trains terminate and begin at Canal Street on the tunnel level).

 

(W) operates as the sole train to Astoria, running its normal route (some trains terminate and begin at Canal Street on the tunnel level)..

 

 

 

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This would all depend on how far the outage is.  I assume for this purpose at least just past the Barclays Center but Manhattan is NOT affected:

 

Special "Bridge Bus" shuttles operate between Canal Street and the starting points for the Brooklyn lines

 

(2) runs in two sections:

241st-Wakefield to South Ferry (1) station, running local south of 96th Street in Manhattan

Franklin Avenue-Flatbush Avenue (some trains begin and end at Eastern Parkway)

 

(3) runs 148th Street-Chambers Street ONLY!

 

A single-track shuttle operates between Chambers and Wall Street on the Broadway Express line.

 

(4) operates in two sections:

Woodlawn-Bowling Green (normal route)

Franklin Avenue-New Lots Avenue (replacing the (3) at all times)

 

(5) runs between Dyre Avenue and Brooklyn Bridge ONLY (local in Manhattan)!

 

(A) operates in two sections:

207-Chambers Street (Cranberry Tunnel Platform) with a single-track shuttle between Chambers and Fulton Street

Utica Avenue-Lefferts Avenue OR Far Rockaway

 

(B) is suspended

 

(C) runs normal route to West 4th, then runs via the (M) to Essex Street and then (J) to Broadway Junction on the Broadway-Brooklyn line, where it terminates. 

 

(D) runs in two sections:

205th Street to Broadway-Lafayette

36th Street-Coney Island via regular route

 

(F) runs in two sections:

179th Street to Delancey Street or East Broadway

Smith-9th Streets to Coney Island via regular route

 

(G) operates between Court Square and Bedford-Nostrand Avenues ONLY!

(Shuttle buses run between Bedford-Nostrand and Smith-9th Streets)

 

(N) operates between 36th Street and Prospect Park in Brooklyn, looping through the Coney Island Station and replacing the (Q) on the Brighton Line.

 

(Q) operates between 96th Street-2nd Avenue and Whitehall Street ONLY (some trains terminate and begin at Canal Street on the tunnel level).

 

(R) operates between 71st-Continental and Whitehall Street ONLY (some trains terminate and begin at Canal Street on the tunnel level).

 

(W) operates as the sole train to Astoria, running its normal route (some trains terminate and begin at Canal Street on the tunnel level)..

 

 

 

Adding to this:

 

(M) is re-routed to Chambers Street and runs between there and Metropolitan Avenue.

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(2) service is split in two sections. 1. Between 241 St and Times Sq 2. Between Franklin Av and Flatbush Av

 

(3) service is split in 2 sections. 1. Between 148 St and Times Sq 2. Between Franklin Av and New Lots Av

 

(4) Woodlawn-Bowling Green

 

(5) Dyre Av- E 180 St

 

(A) service is split in two sections. 1. Between 207 St and Chambers St 2. Between Broadway Junction and all other destinations, running local in both directions.

 

(B)(C) service is suspended

 

(D) service is split in two sections. 1. Between 205 St and Grand St 2. Between 36 St and Coney Island

 

(F) service is split in two sections. 1. Between 179 St and 2 Av 2. Between Bergen St and Coney Island.

 

(G) 71 Av-Bedford Nostrand Avs via QB LCL and Crosstown Line

 

(N) service is split in 2 sections. 1. Between Astoria Ditmars Blvd and South Ferry 2. Between 59 St and Coney Island, running local in both directions.

 

(Q) service is split in 2 sections. 1. Between 96 St and South Ferry 2. Between Franklin Av and Coney Island.

 

(R) service is split in 2 sections. 1. Between 71 Av and South Ferry. 2. Between 59 St and 95 St.

 

(W) service is suspended.

 

 

 

 

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What if the power outage at Downtown Brooklyn effected on 2/3/4/5/A/B/C/D/F/G/N/Q/R

 

(2) Runs in two sections:

241 St to Wall St

Eastern Pkwy to Flatbush Av

(3) Runs in two sections:

148 St to Wall St

Eastern Pkwy to New Lots Av

(4) Woodlawn to Bowling Green

(5) Dyre Av to Bowling Green, some s/b trains terminate at E 180 St or Brooklyn Bridge

(A) Runs in two sections:

207 St to Chambers St

Utica Av to Queens via local

(B) Bedford Park Blvd to W 4 St

(C) 168 St to 2 Av

(D) Runs in two sections:

205 St to W 4 St

36 St to Coney Island

(F) Runs in two sections:

179 St to East Broadway

4 Av-9 St to Coney Island

(G) Court Sq to Bedford-Nostrand Aves

(N) 36 St to Coney Island

(Q) Runs in two sections

96 St to 34 St via Express

Prospect Park to Coney Island

(R) Runs in two sections

71 Av to Whitehall St, some s/b trains terminate at Canal St

59 St to 95 St

(W) Some s/b trains terminate at Canal St

 

Shuttle train runs between Broadway-Lafayette St and Grand St

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Bringing the following over from the "Here's why your commute sucked this morning" thread that was started Monday:

 

:blink: you are literally the only person I am aware of claiming 20 minute headways during rush hour. 

 

Are we pushing the "delays are a fabrication to enact sub-rosa service cuts" narrative? Is that what you're getting at here? 

 

 

We can play a different game, open to all:

6th avenue line has power cut on all four tracks at W4. It's 8:30 am Monday. Assume the following headways:

A: 8 TPH

B: 6 TPH

C: 6 TPH

D: 8 TPH

E: 15 TPH

F: 15 TPH

M: 6 TPH

 

Track says it will be at least 90 minutes until the power is back on. Go for it. Dispatch your trains. 

 

 

Here we go:

(A) runs local between 145th and 168th Street

(B) run to 34th Street-6th Avenue and back to Bedford Park Boulevard

(C) is diverted to The Bronx and runs to 205th Street to replace the (D) there

(D) runs via the (N) and then (Q) between Atlantic-Barclays and 96th Street-2nd Avenue, where it terminates

(F) is split up as follows:

Some (F) trains run from 179th Street-34th Street via normal route and terminate there
Some (F) trains run from Coney Island to 2nd Avenue or Delancey Street.
Some (F) trains run from Coney Island to 179th Street via the Crosstown Line
(I assume the connections to 8th Avenue at West 4th from 6th Avenue would be out)

(G) is extended to 71st-Continental

(M) runs via Nassau to Chambers Street

(M) trains from 71st-Continental run to 34th Street-6th Avenue ONLY!

Any extra (N) trains that would normally go to 96th Street-2nd Avenue are diverted to the Jamaica Line and run to 71st-Continental. 

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