m106crosstown Posted June 30, 2008 Share #1 Posted June 30, 2008 I keep on hearing about the subways being awful during the 1970s-1980s. How true is that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jacsnyy Posted June 30, 2008 Share #2 Posted June 30, 2008 They were pretty bad http://nycsubway.org/articles/history-nycta1970s.html http://nycsubway.org/articles/history-nycta1980s.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
metsfan Posted June 30, 2008 Share #3 Posted June 30, 2008 "The planned retirement dates for some BMT-IND equipment is even more interesting: R-27: 1995 R-30: 1997 R-32: 2000 R-38: 2002 R-40: 2003 R-42: 2004 R-44: 2007 R-46: 2011" Ya, good luck retiring all of those cars by 2011. The R40's are 5 years "late", and the R32's are probably not going to be retired till sometime after 2012. I think by 2011 we'll still see 2-3 of the older models listed in service, and some will be kept for work train/stand in service depending on condition. - Andy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
N-Trizzy2609 Posted June 30, 2008 Share #4 Posted June 30, 2008 "The planned retirement dates for some BMT-IND equipment is even more interesting: R-27: 1995 R-30: 1997 R-32: 2000 R-38: 2002 R-40: 2003 R-42: 2004 R-44: 2007 R-46: 2011" Ya, good luck retiring all of those cars by 2011. The R40's are 5 years "late", and the R32's are probably not going to be retired till sometime after 2012. I think by 2011 we'll still see 2-3 of the older models listed in service, and some will be kept for work train/stand in service depending on condition. - Andy Well they were close but the R44 and R46s aren't nowhere near retirement even thought the 44s are going for second whack at overhaul. The 32s might live pass 2010 but all R42s R40s and R38s will be retired by then Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
metsfan Posted June 30, 2008 Share #5 Posted June 30, 2008 I keep on hearing about the subways being awful during the 1970s-1980s. How true is that? The hell years of the subway took serious tolls on the lifespan of the cars in use then. Caked on layers of spraypaint, grime, all kinds of unmentionable liquids corroded & weakened various parts & physical vandalism was rampant. Also, the stations went from -ok- to scary. Basically the run-down state of parts of the subway today is the result of the hell years. It will take billions of dollars and many years to get back to how it was before, but it will eventually get there. The reason the is always seemingly short on cash is because repaints & tile replacements and general station renovations are very high cost and low/no return as it might be with a new car order which is easily paid for by fares. The elevated structures in place right now for the most part will have to be replaced either part by part, or in whole eventually. I place the blame of the hell years solely on the shoulders of robert moses and his failed "car is king" concrete wonderland ideas. The only good thing that came out of his meddling is the mets. Sadly the dodgers had to leave for even that to happen. :mad::mad::mad: on him! - Andy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R32 3348 Posted June 30, 2008 Share #6 Posted June 30, 2008 During the 1980s, trains derailed every 16 days. It was pretty bad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
7LineFan Posted July 1, 2008 Share #7 Posted July 1, 2008 The hell years of the subway took serious tolls on the lifespan of the cars in use then. Caked on layers of spraypaint, grime, all kinds of unmentionable liquids corroded & weakened various parts & physical vandalism was rampant. Also, the stations went from -ok- to scary. Basically the run-down state of parts of the subway today is the result of the hell years. It will take billions of dollars and many years to get back to how it was before, but it will eventually get there. The reason the is always seemingly short on cash is because repaints & tile replacements and general station renovations are very high cost and low/no return as it might be with a new car order which is easily paid for by fares. The elevated structures in place right now for the most part will have to be replaced either part by part, or in whole eventually. I place the blame of the hell years solely on the shoulders of robert moses and his failed "car is king" concrete wonderland ideas. The only good thing that came out of his meddling is the mets. Sadly the dodgers had to leave for even that to happen. :mad::mad::mad: on him! - Andy I would have preferred if the Giants and Dodgers had stayed here instead of moving to California... Moses and deferred maintenance. That's what happened, IMHO. Brooklyn-Battery Bridge? Ribbon parks? Feh! R44s getting GOHed again? No. Just no. Once is enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
'89 Liberty MCI Posted July 1, 2008 Share #8 Posted July 1, 2008 Yes, not to mention the fact that the R44s make those awkward sounds of rushing air when they're getting ready to depart the station (as some would say pxssy farts) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
7LineFan Posted July 1, 2008 Share #9 Posted July 1, 2008 Well if that's the case, time to retire them. (should have left this in my earlier post but it's too late now.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SubwayGuy Posted July 1, 2008 Share #10 Posted July 1, 2008 During the 1980s, trains derailed every 16 days. It was pretty bad. Not to mention some of the cars, including VERY old R10s, which should've been retired, and R16s, which were just lemons in general, had very low MDBF's. One car had an MDBF with three digits. Think about that. If you were ever bored, you could find out where the car was running that day and ride it all day...something "interesting" was bound to happen sooner or later... In all seriousness though it was much different. THere was much more crime in the city and especially the subway, not just "the deferred maintenance and the graffiti." My mother was on a train once and some punk decided to slice a guy's ear off on the other side of the car...no reason why, just did it. People today take their safety for granted relatively speaking... Not to mention you had many more short trains in the 70s particularly off peak, and when you had service changes back then sometimes the crews wouldn't even find out about it 'till they were given a wrong lineup somewhere with an explanation Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
7LineFan Posted July 1, 2008 Share #11 Posted July 1, 2008 Not to mention some of the cars, including VERY old R10s, which should've been retired, and R16s, which were just lemons in general, had very low MDBF's. One car had an MDBF with three digits. Think about that. If you were ever bored, you could find out where the car was running that day and ride it all day...something "interesting" was bound to happen sooner or later... All because of the snafus with the R46 trucks and the problems with the R44/46s in general... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pablo M 201 Posted July 1, 2008 Share #12 Posted July 1, 2008 Yes, not to mention the fact that the R44s make those awkward sounds of rushing air when they're getting ready to depart the station (as some would say pxssy farts) Which actually make for some of the best sound effects in the system. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
metsfan Posted July 2, 2008 Share #13 Posted July 2, 2008 Which actually make for some of the best sound effects in the system. Water in the air system? - Andy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kexpress Posted August 17, 2008 Share #14 Posted August 17, 2008 Well they were close but the R44 and R46s aren't nowhere near retirement even thought the 44s are going for second whack at overhaul. The 32s might live pass 2010 but all R42s R40s and R38s will be retired by then The R40M and R42 will still be in service until 2013 when they are replaced by New R179. The R32 might retire ethier 2009 or 2010 and maybe even R38. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R32 3348 Posted August 19, 2008 Share #15 Posted August 19, 2008 R38s are the next to go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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