alekr Posted August 30, 2012 Share #1 Posted August 30, 2012 I feel bad for those 4th avenue local riders having to wait for the slow R coming to the station. How can the MTA improve the 4th avenue line since the M is not running to Bay Parkway. Why can't they extend the J to give riders other options. The J could run during AM/PM rush hours. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheSubwayStation Posted August 30, 2012 Share #2 Posted August 30, 2012 We've already discussed this (a lot). Before people start debating the hell out of it again, could you please use the search engine to find the old threads about this? Also, it's worth mentioning that the 4 Avenue Local isn't the only line with 6 minute headways at rush hour (which aren't so terrible). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
j express Posted August 30, 2012 Share #3 Posted August 30, 2012 LOCK! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GojiMet86 Posted August 30, 2012 Share #4 Posted August 30, 2012 Bring back the ! Have the run to Bay Ridge! At the same time! FOAMFOAMFOAMFOAM Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RollOver Posted August 30, 2012 Share #5 Posted August 30, 2012 The was eliminated in Lower Manhattan and South Brooklyn due to very lower ridership. Many riders go to Midtown Manhattan. Those boarding the at the local stops transfer to the at Atlantic-Barclays or at DeKalb. The R is infrequent due to the 60th-59th Street Tube being two tracks (sharing two Astoria services N/Q and Queens Blvd service R) as well as the Broadway local tracks above 34th Street - Herald Square. All trains there must run at 10 minute headways to avoid delays and service increases. If the W were to come back, it will still be the same as before. As understood, the R does NOT need a supplement but a service increase. Many Fourth Avenue as well as West End and Sea Beach residents want Midtown Manhattan service. The and won't help them... The new gives both Queens Blvd and Myrtle Avenue/Broadway-Brooklyn riders direct acess to Midtown Manhattan (with the being no need anymore) without having to transfer for the at Wyckoff Avenue, at Essex-Delancy Streets, at Canal Street, and/or at Fulton Street. That said. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheSubwayStation Posted August 30, 2012 Share #6 Posted August 30, 2012 All trains there must run at 10 minute headways to avoid delays and service increases.Nope. The runs every 6 minutes during rush hours. As I said, the 's headways aren't that bad. The problem with the is that it's a slow route and many riders depend on it alone (and can't use other lines). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RollOver Posted August 30, 2012 Share #7 Posted August 30, 2012 Nope. The runs every 6 minutes during rush hours. As I said, the 's headways aren't that bad. The problem with the is that it's a slow route and many riders depend on it alone (and can't use other lines). Then that's how delays result on the Broadway Line above both Canal Street and 34th Street - Herald Square... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
N4 Via Merrick Rd Posted August 30, 2012 Share #8 Posted August 30, 2012 Aww not 4th Avenue whats next the 42 Street Shuttle . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RollOver Posted August 30, 2012 Share #9 Posted August 30, 2012 Aww not 4th Avenue whats next the 42 Street Shuttle . These type of threads are annoying now, all I see is complaints without realizing the causes of why lines are like that.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
N4 Via Merrick Rd Posted August 30, 2012 Share #10 Posted August 30, 2012 LETS CEASE THIS.Staff Lock it up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
N4 Via Merrick Rd Posted August 30, 2012 Share #11 Posted August 30, 2012 Meanwhile Yes some lines need improvment but we don't need to talk about it. Let the find improvments even if it takes them a million years to do it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheSubwayStation Posted August 30, 2012 Share #12 Posted August 30, 2012 We might as well have a thread saying, "The whole system sucks because you might have to wait 10 scheduled minutes for a train!!!" rather than all of these individual threads acting like problems are specific to particular lines. It's part of what I like about the subway; it's a system that generally takes advantage of it's imperfect infrastructure in the best way possible. That's what makes these threads annoying; unlike with buses for example, it's really hard to think of a better way to run the trains. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
N4 Via Merrick Rd Posted August 30, 2012 Share #13 Posted August 30, 2012 Thumps up that these "how can we improve" threads are a headache and literally a mindblower. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pjbr40 Posted August 30, 2012 Share #14 Posted August 30, 2012 the only option i have in mind to help the rush hours is have the from 95 street to Whitehall Street. This service should be run every 3 trains that head to 71Avenue Continental Avenue. Ie: 71 Ave bound, 71 Ave bound, Whitehall Street bound, 71 Avenue bound, 71 Avenue bound, Whitehall Street bound.. That should give enough time to do turnaround at Whitehall Street. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheSubwayStation Posted August 30, 2012 Share #15 Posted August 30, 2012 Can somebody please explain why we even need to help the during rush hours? People act like everything's wrong with the just because it's so slow. And BTW, turning trains at Whitehall is going to create uneven headways. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Threxx Posted August 30, 2012 Share #16 Posted August 30, 2012 Can somebody please explain why we even need to help the during rush hours? People act like everything's wrong with the just because it's so slow. And BTW, turning trains at Whitehall is going to create uneven headways. Because we need a faster line to supplement it. The fact that it's slow creates delays... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheSubwayStation Posted August 30, 2012 Share #17 Posted August 30, 2012 Because we need a faster line to supplement it. The fact that it's slow creates delays... Faster line, like what? Slow and delay-prone aren't the same. The is slow as heck, but it's more or less on-schedule. I know that you disagree, but a T/O on NYCTF has confirmed it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Threxx Posted August 30, 2012 Share #18 Posted August 30, 2012 Faster line, like what? Slow and delay-prone aren't the same. The is slow as heck, but it's more or less on-schedule. I know that you disagree, but a T/O on NYCTF has confirmed it. I will always disagree about that. I'm not going to name the line, as you and I know what it is, but something has to be done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheSubwayStation Posted August 30, 2012 Share #19 Posted August 30, 2012 I will always disagree about that. I'm not going to name the line, as you and I know what it is, but something has to be done. Nope.avi Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RollOver Posted August 30, 2012 Share #20 Posted August 30, 2012 Because we need a faster line to supplement it. The fact that it's slow creates delays... Yeah but they don't have enough cars to do it. Plus, ridership doesn't merit a supplement of Lower Manhattan-South Brooklyn service on Fourth Avenue, West End, and Sea Beach lines. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Threxx Posted August 30, 2012 Share #21 Posted August 30, 2012 Nope.avi Let's leave it at this lol Yeah but they don't have enough cars to do it. Plus, ridership doesn't merit a supplement of Lower Manhattan-South Brooklyn service on Fourth Avenue, West End, and Sea Beach lines. I'm not discussing this whole cars business with the you-know-what. Let's leave it alone, I'm sorry I brought it up... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheSubwayStation Posted August 30, 2012 Share #22 Posted August 30, 2012 I'm not discussing this whole cars business with the you-know-what. Let's leave it alone, I'm sorry I brought it up... What the hell is this supposed to mean? And no, I don't feel like discussing the extension again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Threxx Posted August 30, 2012 Share #23 Posted August 30, 2012 What the hell is this supposed to mean? And no, I don't feel like discussing the extension again. SHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH... We don't want the foamers to wake up... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T to Dyre Avenue Posted August 30, 2012 Share #24 Posted August 30, 2012 Then that's how delays result on the Broadway Line above both Canal Street and 34th Street - Herald Square... If the didn't switch to the local tracks above Canal Street and ran express all the way to 57th, there would be fewer delays on the Broadway Line. Problem is, the alone can't handle rush hour Astoria line ridershio, so the has to switch. And the switches between Times Square and 34th can't handle both the and , the has to switch somewhere else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
checkmatechamp13 Posted August 30, 2012 Share #25 Posted August 30, 2012 We might as well have a thread saying, "The whole system sucks because you might have to wait 10 scheduled minutes for a train!!!" rather than all of these individual threads acting like problems are specific to particular lines. It's part of what I like about the subway; it's a system that generally takes advantage of it's imperfect infrastructure in the best way possible. That's what makes these threads annoying; unlike with buses for example, it's really hard to think of a better way to run the trains. Exactly. You have a ton of bus routes that run every 10 minutes (or more), and you don't see a ton of threads complaining about "The Q88 should be improved". If ridership doesn't warrant better headways, then what can you do? Yeah, you should try to make sure the trains remain on schedule, but aside from that, what else can be done? Maybe a little frequency improvement if it's a long enough line with enough standalone segments, but that's it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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