If The Brooklyn Els Haven't Been Torn Down...

[TheNewYorkElevated]

The sequel to my previous topic, "If The Manhattan Els Haven't Been Torn Down..." (link if you are new here and interested: http://www.nyctransitforums.com/forums/topic/46118-if-the-manhattan-els-havent-been-torn-down/) Same things are in place (stations, tracking, seeing real events in NYC history, service depiction) although this time...

 

Use a variety of subways cars for each line (ex: R32s, R160s), whatever you want (very older historic cars are also included)

Number of cars allowed the cross the Brooklyn Bridge and into Park Row (with physical tracking and station) 

Explain the competition the Sands Street Terminal would bring against Barclays Center, Fulton Center Times Square, and other major transportation hubs in NYC (this also includes access to other systems, bus services, etc.)

 

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How it would benefit Brooklyn in today's standards.

 

Now, go out and post your ideas!

[ttcsubwayfan]

You couldn't have made these into one big topic called "If The New York Els Hadn't Been Torn Down"?

[Quill Depot]

Uhm, they were mostly overlapped by subway, but the Myrtle Av El would be useful. R32's from Metro Ave to Downtown.

[Eric B]

I always imagine if the Fulton St. subway hadn't been pushed, then the IND would hve eventually been extended as a three track line, subway to around Clermont Ave. and then a new viaduct, to pick up the rebuilt portion of the Fulton el.

Service would be similar, except that the IND would have cross platform transfer to the at Atlantic Ave. and then a new section would also have to be built between Pennsylvania and the current remainter of the line on Liberty.

 

Being that Fulton IND only had express service rush hours until 1989, it would have made little difference. Just that the reverse peak service would all be local. It would have made JFK express difficult, and probably not practical to operate.

I imagine Franklin could have been rebuilt as an express stop (perhaps two level). Otherwise, the express would be nonstop from Hoyt-Schermerhorn-Atlantic, perhaps one near Euclid, still, and then the current route into Queens.

That would have been good for something like the JFK express. Maybe timed at once per hour or something, so it could operate both ways on the express, one direction at a time. (though that wouldn't work with rush hour service). 

[Quill Depot]

Why not just put this in the What-If thread

[realizm]

If the Fulton Street El havent been torn down we would see an Ashland Place connection to Dekalb Avenue over a BMT era rebuilt elevated line that can handle all steel 67' cars. This would have drastically changed everything where it relates to rapid transit on Brooklyn. The IND Fulton Street line would have never been built. However the BMT went broke and could not reach that goal in time.

 

One can tell by the setup of Dekalb Avenue that it was to connect to a third line. Think of why trains turn the way they do as they approach Dekalb Avenue to Manhattan.

[bobtehpanda]

If the Fulton Street El havent been torn down we would see an Ashland Place connection to Dekalb Avenue over a BMT era rebuilt elevated line that can handle all steel 67' cars. This would have drastically changed everything where it relates to rapid transit on Brooklyn. The IND Fulton Street line would have never been built. However the BMT went broke and could not reach that goal in time.

 

One can tell by the setup of Dekalb Avenue that it was to connect to a third line. Think of why trains turn the way they do as they approach Dekalb Avenue to Manhattan.

 

The Ashland connection was never made because the BMT, and the City after it, realized after connecting the Brighton Line that there were simply too many trains going through DeKalb, not for lack of money. The only Brooklyn El which could've possibly been linked into the tunnels crossing the East River would've been the Myrtle Av El.

[Wallyhorse]

The Ashland connection was never made because the BMT, and the City after it, realized after connecting the Brighton Line that there were simply too many trains going through DeKalb, not for lack of money. The only Brooklyn El which could've possibly been linked into the tunnels crossing the East River would've been the Myrtle Av El.

Which is something I'd be looking at now if I got to rebuild the Myrtle El, with such trains as I would do it joining the Montauge Street Line after Navy Street and stopping at least at Court Street if not also Jay Street-Metrotech before then continuing up the Broadway Line, possibly as a new train to Astoria (and all such platforms rebuilt to 600' as part of a plan to extend ALL platforms to 600' so those length trains can be used on that line).

 

Part of this would also be to potentially build a new Myrtle-Brighton line that would in this case spur off a rebuilt Myrtle El after Sumner Avenue and as part of this, absorb the current Franklin Avenue Shuttle (with all of those stations rebuilt to two tracks and 600' platforms) and then become the full-time Brighton local to Coney Island and in that scenario, the becoming the full-time Brighton Beach and the being a second local to Coney Island when it runs on weekdays.

[Lance]

Similarly to the Manhattan elevated lines, most of the Brooklyn elevated lines were duplicated and then replaced by subway lines. The 5th Avenue line was done in by the BMT's 4th Avenue subway and Fulton St was replaced by the subway line of the same name. Even most of the Lexington Ave elevated was close enough to the Jamaica and Crosstown lines to deem it less important.

 

In fact, the only line that hasn't been torn down that would still be useful today would be the southern portion of Myrtle Ave.