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R32 and R160's on the QB

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Okay, I did a little Railfaning today and I was counting how many R160's were on the (E) and (F), There were more on the (F) than the (E), The (F) had a total of 6 R160A sets,with 1 R160B set, I got a shot of it, The (E) had 5 sets of R160A's plus 1 R160A testing, The (E) had 1 R32 trainset, I was on the that one, The (F) also Had 1 R32 trainset, The rest of the (E) was R40M/R42's and the (F) had nothing but R46 maybe 1-2 trainsets of R40M/42's, The (R) was just plain R46's, The R32 Transet on the (F) might Be an (R) tommorow. So There is More R160's on the (F) than the (E), By Monday The R160 count might increase to 8-9 trainsets and decrese the Amount of R160's on the (E) But There is a few in the Back of Jamaica center storage tracks.

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No Prob, I have a Full list Of the R32-42 Museum fleet and you can add it to your data sheet, I will send you and R160 8713 the List.

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No Prob, I have a Full list Of the R32-42 Museum fleet and you can add it to your data sheet, I will send you and R160 8713 the List.

 

could i have that list for reference too, via pm?

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R32, do you know if they are going to rebuild the museum preserved 60' SMEEs into their original colors?

 

 

That I don't know, But the R38's,R40's and r42's are very easy to make them like they were before, R38's all you have to do is add a sky Blue stripe and rebulid the Marker lights and rollsigns, The r40 slant, Just add the Big Front rollsign, R40M and R42 Just add a Blue stripe and Paint the Bumpers (Front bottom of the Train) Black, The r32's would be hard, But All they have to do is take the doors from the current R33WF work cars and paint them Blue and the R30 storm doors and paint them blue and you will have an R32 with Blue doors.

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Also I think The Future garbage collection trains would be the R32 Phase I fleet when they are retired, I think those would be used for work service to replace the R33 ML/WF work fleet. But That's what I think, Because The R40 slants and R42's are not in good shape for that But The R38's are going, I think The R32 Phase I's would be the Only option when retired, The R38's and R40 slants (8 slants and 4 R38's are school cars) are being used for school cars, I think the TA would use R32 Phase I's for a Futrue Garbage collection fleet along with the R127/130's. This is Only B Division

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R32, do you know if they are going to rebuild the museum preserved 60' SMEEs into their original colors?

 

Paintjobs, maybe. Restoring them to pre-GOH, highly unlikely.

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According to the datasheet, there are actually more R38s preserved than I anticipated. Probably one pair for school car, one pair for museum, and one pair for work train. I doubt that the R33s are leaving despite their condition b/c they are still needed on the IRT.

 

Regarding the R40s being rebuilt into original forms, they should definitely remove those ugly pantograph gates in front. The R40s in fact look very modern without them.

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Let me give you a lis of R38's that are staying on TA property as of 2009:

 

3950-51: School Cars at Pitkin yard as of febuary 2009

4044-45: School Cars at Pitkin Yard as of March 18th,2009

4028/29: Musuem Cars as of Febuary 2009

4140/41: Museum Cars as of March 18,2009

3994/95 might be one of the garbage trains, This pair is at CCY yard hooked with a Bunch of r38's right next to the R30 former school cars, 3988/89 gone off of TA Property By Barge March 27th 2009, and they were garbage trains for the summer of 2008 until Febuary 2009, they were the 2 R38's hooked to the R33WF's, All R33ML's garbage trains are at CI and 36th st yard.

 

 

Here's a list of the Museum fleet cars R32-42 as of 2009

R32: 3350/51 Saved by the railway presvation corp) as of this year 2009,3352/53 as of Juliy 2008

R40 Slant: 4192/93 December 2007, Possible 4448/49

R40M:4450/51 as of January 2009, They are still at Jamaica

R42:4572/73 still in service

R42/40M mix 4460/4665 Possible save

 

Also R27 8145 is also saved as of March 2009, That pair would be hooked to R30 8506 in the near future.

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Let me give you a lis of R38's that are staying on TA property as of 2009:

 

3950-51: School Cars at Pitkin yard as of febuary 2009

4044-45: School Cars at Pitkin Yard as of March 18th,2009

4028/29: Musuem Cars as of Febuary 2009

4140/41: Museum Cars as of March 18,2009

3994/95 might be one of the garbage trains, This pair is at CCY yard hooked with a Bunch of r38's right next to the R30 former school cars, 3988/89 gone off of TA Property By Barge March 27th 2009, and they were garbage trains for the summer of 2008 until Febuary 2009, they were the 2 R38's hooked to the R33WF's, All R33ML's garbage trains are at CI and 36th st yard.

 

 

Here's a list of the Museum fleet cars R32-42 as of 2009

R32: 3350/51 Saved by the railway presvation corp) as of this year 2009,3352/53 as of Juliy 2008

R40 Slant: 4192/93 December 2007, Possible 4448/49

R40M:4450/51 as of January 2009, They are still at Jamaica

R42:4572/73 still in service

R42/40M mix 4460/4665 Possible save

 

Also R27 8145 is also saved as of March 2009, That pair would be hooked to R30 8506 in the near future.

 

Just curious, where did you get the information? The editors of the sheet, including me, want referenceable sources. I'm not saying that I'm dubious of your information, but we just want the sources, so we could list them.

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The Info comes from people that works in the TA, I wont dicuss the people who told me because that's private , and Plus everybody already knows, But people thought that 1 pair of R32-42's would be saved, Not True. The only 2 subway car fleets that are going to have museum cars than the others are only the R32's and R38's and The R32's would have the most if they save Phase I Pair R32 3840/41, this was the 1st pair of R32's to go to the GOH program back in 1988, or R32 3650/3767 (mixed pair, 3651 scraped in the 1970's) 1st R32A to enter TA property.

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The Info comes from people that works in the TA, I wont dicuss the people who told me because that's private , and Plus everybody already knows, But people thought that 1 pair of R32-42's would be saved, Not True. The only 2 subway car fleets that are going to have museum cars than the others are only the R32's and R38's and The R32's would have the most if they save Phase I Pair R32 3840/41, this was the 1st pair of R32's to go to the GOH program back in 1988, or R32 3650/3767 (mixed pair, 3651 scraped in the 1970's) 1st R32A to enter TA property.

 

They are T/Os?

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Wasn't there a GO on the F today? Trains tend to switch when there is a GO. I remember when the E ran on the R line there were many R46 Es, but then they were gone by Monday.

 

5 R160s on the E is not good, but it is like 8 R160s on the F, you are still more likely to get the R160 on the E since it runs fewer trains than the F. That R160B was on the E on Friday, and it just may go back to the E on Monday. Down the road, the E will be all R160s, so the QB primary lines, the E and F will be R160 and R46 perhaps by the end of the year. Not bad.

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The Info comes from people that works in the TA, I wont dicuss the people who told me because that's private , and Plus everybody already knows, But people thought that 1 pair of R32-42's would be saved, Not True. The only 2 subway car fleets that are going to have museum cars than the others are only the R32's and R38's and The R32's would have the most if they save Phase I Pair R32 3840/41, this was the 1st pair of R32's to go to the GOH program back in 1988, or R32 3650/3767 (mixed pair, 3651 scraped in the 1970's) 1st R32A to enter TA property.
The MTA is making very wise choice here by keeping some R32s and R38s. The R32s are known for durability, but they seriously need to fix up those doors, A/Cs, brakes, and motors. As for the high MDBF R38s, the MTA should replace their roofs with those of reefed R32s. And 2 questions, how come 2 pairs of R38s are saved for the museum? I thought that only 1 pair would suffice. Also do you know if the preserved R38s have Westinghouse motors?

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Wasn't there a GO on the F today? Trains tend to switch when there is a GO. I remember when the E ran on the R line there were many R46 Es, but then they were gone by Monday.

 

5 R160s on the E is not good, but it is like 8 R160s on the F, you are still more likely to get the R160 on the E since it runs fewer trains than the F. That R160B was on the E on Friday, and it just may go back to the E on Monday. Down the road, the E will be all R160s, so the QB primary lines, the E and F will be R160 and R46 perhaps by the end of the year. Not bad.

 

That is true, there is a MAJOR GO that will cause the F to be running on the E between West 4th and Roosevelt. Under normal conditions, the F should run about 3 R160s, maybe more. This number matches the number of R46 sets sent over to Pitkin.

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I think the (F) uses four R160A sets during rush hours, and about 8-10 sets of R160A on (E). During other times, the (F) uses up to three sets only, not sure about the (E).

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R32, do you know if they are going to rebuild the museum preserved 60' SMEEs into their original colors?

 

I have always said it, but I would love to see the perserved R38's and R32's to be restored the way it used to be. The only challenge I see, is that they have to take the smaller passenger window on the top, and add a bar in the middle, like what it used to look like.

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I think the (F) uses four R160A sets during rush hours, and about 8-10 sets of R160A on (E). During other times, the (F) uses up to three sets only, not sure about the (E).

 

As for about a week ago, about 5 to 7. The (E) was up to 13 sets assigned I believe before the R160 debuted on the (F) a few days ago.

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I have always said it, but I would love to see the perserved R38's and R32's to be restored the way it used to be. The only challenge I see, is that they have to take the smaller passenger window on the top, and add a bar in the middle, like what it used to look like.

 

There's a few challenges. For the interiors, you have to take the a/c out and put fans back up. The lighting would have to change, the R38 and a few of the latest R32s used illuminated lighting, the R32s had a ribbed type of lighting. Then, you'll have to re-create the flooring to the white and teal tiles. The doors would be painted blue with rubber sealing around the windows. Then they also have to put in straphangers. That's a lot of work.

 

The exteriors of the R32s would have to have their fronts changed to include destination windows and express and local windows on each side, use the TA logo on the side, paint the doors dark blue, put the riding through cards is prohibited in yellow letters on the front doors.

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To restore the interiors, you're basically talking about ceilings and lighting fixtures, wall panels, linoleum floor tiles and paint jobs, with the biggest problem being cars converted to A/C. (They didn't even try to revert this stuff, or the new windows on the IRT museum train!) The interiors of the first 450 32?s were basically identical to the R30 preserved in the museum, except for the windows and paint. So that might not be worth it. It's the higher numbered 32's, 38's and lower (non-A/C'd) slants whose interiors do not exist anywhere, and would be harder to get the parts to restore.

 

After that, with the 40m's and 42's, which were already A/C equipped, you could get away with trying to replace the original kind of lighting fixtures (including the one down the middle), and then find doors with bigger window cutouts like the original, and the sign boxes and the rest would be painting and flooring. (I would also like the old brake valve sound back. Those could be rescued from PA1-3 cars).

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Honestly, in an era where we are threatened throat slashing service cuts and fare hikes, do you think the MTA should rebuild the preserved cars into their pre-GOH condition? Do you think we should spend a couple of millions (or thousands) to restore these cars to their original condition just so a few can enjoy them? These things won't go back into service once they are preserved, they shouldn't get a rebuild that will bring them back to their original state.

Personally, I don't want the cars to go as well, but when their time comes, they have to go. One should already be glad that some of these cars are going to preserved in the museum. Rebuilding these cars to their primitive design is going a bit too far. Let's just keep it simple.

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