Move on, nothing to see here: Yet another slashing, ho hum

[DetSMART45]

The new "normal" of NYC Subway use.

Nothing to see, please keep moving.

Opine, all subway enthusiasts:

12:40pm 3-Train slashing

 

And the excuse of "That's an anomaly, not representative of the subway" in 3 ... 2 .... 1 .....

[trainfan22]

Yikes at that women in the article who sees slashings on the subway nightly! 

[QM1to6Ave]

I read the Guardian Angels are back patrolling nights again. Sad we are at that point, but its very nice to see them out and about

[MTA Orion Bus]

I read the Guardian Angels are back patrolling nights again. Sad we are at that point, but its very nice to see them out and about

Agreed. I trust them more than Bratton and De Blasio combined. Can't wait til next November to vote that clown out.

[Kamen Rider]

Mayor Whilem gave the people what they wanted, and look where it's gotten us.

[MHV9218]

Agreed. I trust them more than Bratton and De Blasio combined. Can't wait til next November to vote that clown out.

 

 

Mayor Whilem gave the people what they wanted, and look where it's gotten us.

 

Living in fiction must be fun. Crime is lower than ever before, but luckily reality only applies to some of us.

 

And the excuse of "That's an anomaly, not representative of the subway" in 3 ... 2 .... 1 .....

 

 Actually, this is the definition of an anomaly. That kind of stuff gets covered in grade school. Do you have an excuse for not understanding that?

[itmaybeokay]

I wonder if all the news coverage these slashings are getting is actually fostering copycats. I know it's illogical and crazy, but I'd bet there are those who would do this and hope to get caught just to get their face on TV by any means necessary. 

[Kamen Rider]

Living in fiction must be fun. Crime is lower than ever before, but luckily reality only applies to some of us.

 

 

Actually, this is the definition of an anomaly. That kind of stuff gets covered in grade school. Do you have an excuse for not understanding that?

You're the one with your head in the sand. Crime is NOT down on the subway. It's skyrocketing.

[DetSMART45]

One of the reasons I put this thread up is that the link is being seen by around 20-some million who don't live in NYC, illustrating yet another black-eye forced upon the City by inept "leadership."

 

Crime is skyrocketing, and the latest proof is in the minutes of the last MTA Board meeting, where during the NYPD/MTA Police presentation, one of the board members asked for more detail when it comes to reporting violent crime incidents from the NYPD.

[MHV9218]

You're the one with your head in the sand. Crime is NOT down on the subway. It's skyrocketing.

 

If you read my post, I said crime in general, not subway crime. Yes, in one specific category, there has been a small uptick, but "skyrocketing" is a statistically stupid term to use given that the number last year (also under de Blasio) was so low that any increase will mean a large percentage shift.

 

One of the reasons I put this thread up is that the link is being seen by around 20-some million who don't live in NYC, illustrating yet another black-eye forced upon the City by inept "leadership."

 

Crime is skyrocketing, and the latest proof is in the minutes of the last MTA Board meeting, where during the NYPD/MTA Police presentation, one of the board members asked for more detail when it comes to reporting violent crime incidents from the NYPD.

 

Crime is not skyrocketing. I don't know how many times to say this.

 

http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2015/12/nycs-crime-rate-hits-a-new-record-low.html

[Via Garibaldi 8]

Living in fiction must be fun. Crime is lower than ever before, but luckily reality only applies to some of us.

 

 

 Actually, this is the definition of an anomaly. That kind of stuff gets covered in grade school. Do you have an excuse for not understanding that?

Please... Of course you being the blind liberal that you are, you can't see that de Blasio and crew have been trying to suppress crime stats.  The facts are that crime is up on the subways. Let's get it straight!  Stop excusing this guy and his liberal policies, which have allowed people to take liberties that they weren't taking under Bloomberg.  And for the record, I'm an Independent, so I don't just vote blindly like some people.  De Blasio has sat back and allowed crime to become out of control and has been in denial about it until various leaders from high crime communities starting speaking out about it.  The only one living in fiction is you, de Blasio and other blind liberals who voted this clown into office.

[itmaybeokay]

Please... Of course you being the blind liberal that you are, you can't see that de Blasio and crew have been trying to suppress crime stats.  The facts are that crime is up on the subways. Let's get it straight!  Stop excusing this guy and his liberal policies, which have allowed people to take liberties that they weren't taking under Bloomberg.  And for the record, I'm an Independent, so I don't just vote blindly like some people.  De Blasio has sat back and allowed crime to become out of control and has been in denial about it until various leaders from high crime communities starting speaking out about it.  The only one living in fiction is you, de Blasio and other blind liberals who voted this clown into office.

 

Look, i'm not a pure liberal. I did not vote for DiBlasio.

 

But - A) on the whole, crime is down - citywide. Record low numbers.

 

 

B) crime did indeed rise on the subway by 11% in 2015, but this also must be contextualized against a 2.8% ridership increase over the same period. The vast majority of this increase, is made up by larceny - a crime exacerbated by crowding as well as the fact that these days everyone owns a $500 cell phone. 

 

KEY MESSAGE: 

Back in 1996, under Guliani - a conservative - with only 3.5 million riders, we had 17 crimes every day. 

 

 

Today with a lot more riders, 5.6 million, there are still just six crimes a day. 

 

 

Far-Right Conservatives thrive in an environment of fear. Wherever you're getting the information from that crime is way up on the subway, and please feel free to share your source, is likely perpetuating that culture of fear to further their own agenda.

 

Before you say a word - I am not supporting or defending DiBlasio. I'm just presenting the statistics. 

 

But like - your political opinions must be framed by the trump endorsement in your signature. How could a man who's never successfully run a buisness that isn't simply holding valuable property run the country? But, he claims he'll alleviate your fears. So, those who are fearful flock to his support because he claims he'll make america great again despite not presenting a single shred of a viable plan whatsoever. But "I'm gonna make everything okay" sounds great to those who fear. 

 

Whenever someone tells you the sky is falling, question to yourself what they're trying to sell you. Because they're always trying to sell you something. 

[Via Garibaldi 8]

 

Look, i'm not a pure liberal. I did not vote for DiBlasio.

 

But - A) on the whole, crime is down - citywide. Record low numbers.

 

 

B) crime did indeed rise on the subway by 11% in 2015, but this also must be contextualized against a 2.8% ridership increase over the same period. The vast majority of this increase, is made up by larceny - a crime exacerbated by crowding as well as the fact that these days everyone owns a $500 cell phone. 

 

KEY MESSAGE: 

Back in 1996, under Guliani - a conservative - with only 3.5 million riders, we had 17 crimes every day. 

 

 

Today with a lot more riders, 5.6 million, there are still just six crimes a day. 

 

 

Far-Right Conservatives thrive in an environment of fear. Wherever you're getting the information from that crime is way up on the subway, and please feel free to share your source, is likely perpetuating that culture of fear to further their own agenda.

 

Before you say a word - I am not supporting or defending DiBlasio. I'm just presenting the statistics. 

 

But like - your political opinions must be framed by the trump endorsement in your signature. How could a man who's never successfully run a buisness that isn't simply holding valuable property run the country? But, he claims he'll alleviate your fears. So, those who are fearful flock to his support because he claims he'll make america great again despite not presenting a single shred of a viable plan whatsoever. But "I'm gonna make everything okay" sounds great to those who fear. 

 

Whenever someone tells you the sky is falling, question to yourself what they're trying to sell you. Because they're always trying to sell you something. 

Listen, you're free to believe those stats, but I don't.  I call them total BS.  The NYPD has been known for years to suppress figures under various mayors, and my gut tells me that they're doing the same thing again.  The stats may say one thing, but what I see on the streets says another thing, I see and hear of A LOT more crime and thugs out and about taking advantage of people because of soft policing lead by a soft liberal mayor.  Maybe it is perception, but when you have more mentally disturbed individuals and homeless people all over the place, that makes those figures seem quite questionable, and you cannot deny that there has been an uptick in these sorts of individuals since de Blasio took office, along with the city becoming noticeably dirtier.  All of this adds to the perception that things are worsening, even if the economy is supposedly doing better and more people are employed, which I also question, as an increase in jobs simply begs the question of what types of jobs these are, and if people have stopped looking.

 

To get back to the current topic and Trump, listen, the standard BS is becoming old.  We need new blood in the White House and someone who is going to shake s**t up.  You may not care for Trump and his views, but I'm attracted to the fact that he isn't beholden to anyone since he has his own money, and has a proven track record of being successful, despite all of the rumors about various bankruptcies. I'm willing to give him a shot over Hillary, who is tired and washed up, and is singing the same rhetoric over and over again. I would vote for that hippie Saunders over her if I had to.  Anywho, yes, Trump hasn't necessarily said anything with any substance or evidence to back up what he says he wants to do, but the fact of the matter is a lot of Americans are fed up with the status quo, and they feel exactly the way Trump feels.  We need to install pride back in this country, do away with these ridiculous free trade agreements that have destroyed the American economy and our manufacturing base, and have fed countries like China, Mexico and the like.  I'm a protectionist and strong supporter of "100% Made in USA", as is Trump, and we need a president who is going to work for the American people (for once), regardless of their party affiliation, and Hillary isn't that person.  I think Trump will take a tough stance on crime around this country and will work to secure our borders and attract and encourage legal immigration, similar to the way Giuliani tackled crime here in NYC and cleaned up Times Square when he took office.  I felt A LOT safer riding the subways when Giuliani and Bloomberg were in office as compared to now.

[itmaybeokay]

To get back to the current topic and Trump, listen, the standard BS is becoming old.  We need new blood in the White House and someone who is going to shake s**t up.  You may not care for Trump and his views, but I'm attracted to the fact that he isn't beholden to anyone since he has his own money, and has a proven track record of being successful, despite all of the rumors about various bankruptcies. I'm willing to give him a shot over Hillary, who is tired and washed up, and is singing the same rhetoric over and over again. I would vote for that hippie Saunders over her if I had to.  Anywho, yes, Trump hasn't necessarily said anything with any substance or evidence to back up what he says he wants to do, but the fact of the matter is a lot of Americans are fed up with the status quo, and they feel exactly the way Trump feels.  We need to install pride back in this country, do away with these ridiculous free trade agreements that have destroyed the American economy and our manufacturing base, and have fed countries like China, Mexico and the like.  I'm a protectionist and strong supporter of "100% Made in USA", as is Trump, and we need a president who is going to work for the American people (for once), regardless of their party affiliation, and Hillary isn't that person.  I think Trump will take a tough stance on crime around this country and will work to secure our borders and attract and encourage legal immigration, similar to the way Giuliani tackled crime here in NYC and cleaned up Times Square when he took office.  I felt A LOT safer riding the subways when Giuliani and Bloomberg were in office as compared to now.

 

The problem is Presidential power in this country is decidedly limited - even if Trump had concrete plans to actually enact the changes he'd like to see, that's not the way the legislative process works. I'm not Obama's biggest fan either but people get all "blah blah blah he said things would change" and moan about how 'little' he's done, but when you look at all the things he was blocked from doing, you'll start to get a picture of what I'm talking about here. 

 

I don't trust hillary either. I'd like to see sanders win the dem pri but I'm not holding my breath. 

 

But trump scares the crap out of me because he's tapping into this exact rhetoric of fear:

 

Anywho, yes, Trump hasn't necessarily said anything with any substance or evidence to back up what he says he wants to do, but the fact of the matter is a lot of Americans are fed up with the status quo, and they feel exactly the way Trump feels.

 

He's not appealing to the intellect, he's appealing to the gut. "This guy feels the way I do! I'm gonna vote for him" That may be a comfort, but what is he actually going to do? Well the only thing he's good at is running his mouth, so you can expect a lot of the same kind of rhetoric we've been seeing from him - but then, coming from a seat of power, the issue you have is that this then validates even tangentially related crazy ideas people have. I'm worried about the behavior of the citizenry under a trump president, and I'm worried that if all he's capable of is crazy speeches - he won't restore America's might but he'll restore american hubris.

 

TL;DR The man's an entitled whiner and he's not qualified to lead a ham sandwich. I encourage people to vote with their brains and not with their guts.

 

Anyway: Back to trains.

 

We may get a better view of the real data in terms of the crime rate in the mass transit system as the state just last month announced that there will need to be increased detail in reporting of such. Perhaps increased oversight will lead to clearer data. I'm not claiming the stats are or are not doctored - but I don't have any evidence that they are, and their low numbers do reflect what I see on the subway every single day. To be honest, I've actually noticed a decrease in the numbers of homeless on the trains.

 

What exactly is it that makes you feel unsafe when you do ride the subway? Something you see personally? Something reported by a news organization? Something told to you verbally by a person who saw it directly? I'm legitimately curious. 

[Via Garibaldi 8]

 

The problem is Presidential power in this country is decidedly limited - even if Trump had concrete plans to actually enact the changes he'd like to see, that's not the way the legislative process works. I'm not Obama's biggest fan either but people get all "blah blah blah he said things would change" and moan about how 'little' he's done, but when you look at all the things he was blocked from doing, you'll start to get a picture of what I'm talking about here. 

 

I don't trust hillary either. I'd like to see sanders win the dem pri but I'm not holding my breath. 

 

But trump scares the crap out of me because he's tapping into this exact rhetoric of fear:

 

 

He's not appealing to the intellect, he's appealing to the gut. "This guy feels the way I do! I'm gonna vote for him" That may be a comfort, but what is he actually going to do? Well the only thing he's good at is running his mouth, so you can expect a lot of the same kind of rhetoric we've been seeing from him - but then, coming from a seat of power, the issue you have is that this then validates even tangentially related crazy ideas people have. I'm worried about the behavior of the citizenry under a trump president, and I'm worried that if all he's capable of is crazy speeches - he won't restore America's might but he'll restore american hubris.

 

TL;DR The man's an entitled whiner and he's not qualified to lead a ham sandwich. I encourage people to vote with their brains and not with their guts.

 

Anyway: Back to trains.

 

We may get a better view of the real data in terms of the crime rate in the mass transit system as the state just last month announced that there will need to be increased detail in reporting of such. Perhaps increased oversight will lead to clearer data. I'm not claiming the stats are or are not doctored - but I don't have any evidence that they are, and their low numbers do reflect what I see on the subway every single day. To be honest, I've actually noticed a decrease in the numbers of homeless on the trains.

 

What exactly is it that makes you feel unsafe when you do ride the subway? Something you see personally? Something reported by a news organization? Something told to you verbally by a person who saw it directly? I'm legitimately curious. 

Just what I see when I use it.  People constantly panhandling, and people that clearly have mental issues.  It's hard to say if there truly is a decrease in the homeless population or not based on my observations.

[LTA1992]

You can call it suppressing the information all you want. The facts are that the subways are, and always have been generally safe when you factor in how many people use the subways on the daily.

 

These recent incidents are exactly what was stated earlier. An anomaly. Multiplying the outrageous way the propagandists are making this, I'm more concerned with the agenda that may be behind this because we all should know who the media works for at this point. I can see restrictions on what length of knives a person can hold coming down the pipeline, which hurts people like me who need knives larger than a boxcutter on their person for work.

 

Also, itmaybeokay, for all the reasons you've stated when it comes to the "president", that is exactly why Hillary will be the next one. As anyone with a brain and two eyes can see, the "Republican" side has no chance. Trump is entertainment and all those others who are so unimportant that I can barely remember their names, have no chance. Virtually nonexistent in my eyes. On the "Democrat" side, Bernie Sanders is too against the system to have any sort of chance. As much as I favor Democratic Socialism (which the country isn't too far off from being honestly). Hillary reminds me of Obama, but without the "Yes We Can" crap. As a person, she throws the current standards for president set in the past out of the way being a woman. That's going to entice a lot of people to "vote" for her. She is the "candidate" that will undoubtedly continue the status quo of the United States. This has derailed off topic, so I'll end it there.

[Via Garibaldi 8]

You can call it suppressing the information all you want. The facts are that the subways are, and always have been generally safe when you factor in how many people use the subways on the daily.

 

These recent incidents are exactly what was stated earlier. An anomaly. Multiplying the outrageous way the propagandists are making this, I'm more concerned with the agenda that may be behind this because we all should know who the media works for at this point. I can see restrictions on what length of knives a person can hold coming down the pipeline, which hurts people like me who need knives larger than a boxcutter on their person for work.

 

Oh please.  "Facts" based on suspect stats... I'll pass.  I think it's hilarious that you call these slashings an "anomaly".

[MHV9218]

Please... Of course you being the blind liberal that you are, you can't see that de Blasio and crew have been trying to suppress crime stats.  The facts are that crime is up on the subways. Let's get it straight!  Stop excusing this guy and his liberal policies, which have allowed people to take liberties that they weren't taking under Bloomberg.  And for the record, I'm an Independent, so I don't just vote blindly like some people.  De Blasio has sat back and allowed crime to become out of control and has been in denial about it until various leaders from high crime communities starting speaking out about it.  The only one living in fiction is you, de Blasio and other blind liberals who voted this clown into office.

 

Alright. Thanks. Let's just understand something, though. If you blindly reject ALL crime stats as some sort of government-enacted conspiracy, then yes, you can spout off random information with no basis in reality, like you have done above. But you don't get to use the fact-word. You get to use the word "opinion," or perhaps the phrase "idea I pulled out of my ass." But "fact" is a word reserved for those of us who live in reality and follow the NYPD's nonpartisan crime statistics. The fact I am even trying to hold a reasonable conversation with a Trump supporter is probably my own mistake, in any case.

[Via Garibaldi 8]

Alright. Thanks. Let's just understand something, though. If you blindly reject ALL crime stats as some sort of government-enacted conspiracy, then yes, you can spout off random information with no basis in reality, like you have done above. But you don't get to use the fact-word. You get to use the word "opinion," or perhaps the phrase "idea I pulled out of my ass." But "fact" is a word reserved for those of us who live in reality and follow the NYPD's nonpartisan crime statistics. The fact I am even trying to hold a reasonable conversation with a Trump supporter is probably my own mistake, in any case.

lol... So you're telling me that the NYPD has nothing to gain from doctoring their stats? Is that correct?  And let me guess... You're a Hillary supporter? That right there says enough.   Oh I forgot though... Outside of Manhattan (and the safe parts at that), you don't think there's a world that exists... 

[MHV9218]

lol... So you're telling me that the NYPD has nothing to gain from doctoring their stats? Is that correct?  And let me guess... You're a Hillary supporter? That right there says enough. 

 

Crime stats are harder to doctor than people think. You can't hide bodies. You can't ignore hospital visits and dispatches either. At best numbers can be massaged on the line between burglary and larceny or things like that, but even if there were some scheme to falsify crime stats--which there isn't--not all that much could be done to them.

 

I'll be voting Sanders, thank you very much.

[Via Garibaldi 8]

Crime stats are harder to doctor than people think. You can't hide bodies. You can't ignore hospital visits and dispatches either. At best numbers can be massaged on the line between burglary and larceny or things like that, but even if there were some scheme to falsify crime stats--which there isn't--not all that much could be done to them.

You don't have to hide them.  You just simply have to under report things, not report them at all, or classify them under another title, which is precisely what the NYPD has been accused of. 

[MHV9218]

You don't have to hide them.  You just simply have to under report things, not report them at all, or classify them under another title, which is precisely what the NYPD has been accused of. 

 

They've been accused of that for the past forty years. You can choose to disbelieve all statistics, or you can live with them. Are they likely somewhat flawed? Yes--but in a marginal, minute way, because (as you are agreeing) at most the statistics involve misclassifications and things like that. Homicide numbers and other violent crimes are not easily falsified. In any case, this is a terrible rhetorical argument, because if you discount all statistical history, you can establish nothing about policing with any certainty. You fall into some terrible reductio ad absurdum argument of which statistics cannot have been accurate, therefore some other statistics must not be believed, and eventually you have no basis for any statement. That is, you can continue asserting that crime stats are all wrong, but when you reject the statistical basis in an argument of statistics, your argument will eventually turn into an ad hominem attack on the person you're talking to. At that point, we have nothing to say. I can give my own ad hominem attack, devoid of statistical backing: you're wrong!

[Via Garibaldi 8]

They've been accused of that for the past forty years. You can choose to disbelieve all statistics, or you can live with them. Are they likely somewhat flawed? Yes--but in a marginal, minute way, because (as you are agreeing) at most the statistics involve misclassifications and things like that. Homicide numbers and other violent crimes are not easily falsified. In any case, this is a terrible rhetorical argument, because if you discount all statistical history, you can establish nothing about policing with any certainty. You fall into some terrible reductio ad absurdum argument of which statistics cannot have been accurate, therefore some other statistics must not be believed, and eventually you have no basis for any statement. That is, you can continue asserting that crime stats are all wrong, but when you reject the statistical basis in an argument of statistics, your argument will eventually turn into an ad hominem attack on the person you're talking to. At that point, we have nothing to say. I can give my own ad hominem attack, devoid of statistical backing: you're wrong!

lol!  I'm only "wrong" because I'm not a bleeding blue liberal like you! 

[MHV9218]

lol!  I'm only "wrong" because I'm not a bleeding blue liberal like you! 

 

See: ad hominem. 

[Via Garibaldi 8]

See: ad hominem. 

See: Bleeding blue liberal.