Johnny Cocker Posted January 24, 2011 Share #1 Posted January 24, 2011 http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/interactivity/redesigning-metro.html?hpid=talkbox1 About time Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheKorean Posted January 24, 2011 Share #2 Posted January 24, 2011 lol did you see the one where he suggest they use the car from MBTA Ashmont High Speed Line? rofl Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
N-Trizzy2609 Posted January 24, 2011 Share #3 Posted January 24, 2011 Alot of people love the bench longitudinal seating idea and alot of people suggested the Philadelphia style rail fan window. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Cocker Posted January 24, 2011 Author Share #4 Posted January 24, 2011 lol people are even suggesting an articulated train Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WMATA Posted January 24, 2011 Share #5 Posted January 24, 2011 I was surprised to see so many suggestions for NYCTA style bench seating. With the extension to Dulles (128 7000 series cars were procured for the extension), it would make sense to go with bench seating. I hope they do. Some of the other suggestions were pretty comical. A 1970s style trolley for the design? Really? lol Thanks for posting, JC. I was waiting for this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LRG Posted January 24, 2011 Share #6 Posted January 24, 2011 One guy suggested that the trains have epoxy-carpeted flooring like our trains do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forest Glen Posted January 24, 2011 Share #7 Posted January 24, 2011 I was surprised to see so many suggestions for NYCTA style bench seating. With the extension to Dulles (128 7000 series cars were procured for the extension), it would make sense to go with bench seating. I hope they do. Some of the other suggestions were pretty comical. A 1970s style trolley for the design? Really? lol Thanks for posting, JC. I was waiting for this. I disagree. First of all, the WMATA shouldn't emulate anything in the NYC subway. Second, transverse seating is convenient for all of the people who ride from Shady Grove and Largo to Metro Center. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WMATA Posted January 29, 2011 Share #8 Posted January 29, 2011 Off topic, but Kawasaki has contracted Toshiba to supply the traction motors for the 7000 series cars. I found the info on Wiki. I'm pretty surprised. I expected Alstom, Bombardier, or Siemens given Kawasaki's history. I didn't even know Toshiba was in the transportation business. Anyone know if they have any experience in the US transportation market? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NX Express Posted January 29, 2011 Share #9 Posted January 29, 2011 I disagree. First of all, the WMATA shouldn't emulate anything in the NYC subway. Second, transverse seating is convenient for all of the people who ride from Shady Grove and Largo to Metro Center. How? According to someone who suggested such seating, bench seating offers MORE seats than transverse seating. @ the first part: ...Never mind, I'll resist the urge to post my opinion on that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forest Glen Posted January 29, 2011 Share #10 Posted January 29, 2011 Two out of the five Metro lines have crowding issues. However, treating riders like cattle isn't the solution. Instead of taking away seats, the WMATA should add more trains. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoSpectacular Posted January 29, 2011 Share #11 Posted January 29, 2011 Bench seating allows for more sitting room and standing room, not to mention it's more spacious. I can't tell you how many times I've gotten on the , , or any train that uses R44/46s that goes near busy areas with congested trains due to shopping bags/wire carts, whatever baggage people bring along with them Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NX Express Posted January 29, 2011 Share #12 Posted January 29, 2011 This made me laugh a little: Keep the general seat structure. The use given to DC's METRO is different than that of other systems because of the many long ride commuters. DC's lines are one hour end-to-end at most. Ours, on the other hand, are not. http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/interactivity/redesigning-metro.html?hpid=talkbox1&appSession=835198374446771&RecordID=&PageID=2&PrevPageID=&cpipage=7&CPISortType=&CPIorderBy= Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forest Glen Posted January 29, 2011 Share #13 Posted January 29, 2011 The DC Metro is a quasi-commuter railroad. Having bench seats on the Metro is like having bench seats on the Babylon Branch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Cocker Posted January 30, 2011 Author Share #14 Posted January 30, 2011 The DC Metro is a quasi-commuter railroad. Having bench seats on the Metro is like having bench seats on the Babylon Branch. WE need bench style seating reguardless. If your 5'11 or taller sitting in transverse seats hurt and your knees will catch hell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Cocker Posted January 30, 2011 Author Share #15 Posted January 30, 2011 Off topic, but Kawasaki has contracted Toshiba to supply the traction motors for the 7000 series cars. I found the info on Wiki. I'm pretty surprised. I expected Alstom, Bombardier, or Siemens given Kawasaki's history. I didn't even know Toshiba was in the transportation business. Anyone know if they have any experience in the US transportation market? How does Toshiba even sound? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WMATA Posted February 1, 2011 Share #16 Posted February 1, 2011 How does Toshiba even sound? I always associated them with consumer electronics. According to their website, they supplied the traction motors for the LRVs in Minnesota. http://www3.toshiba.co.jp/sic/english/railway/history/history/history.htm A short clip of a Minnesota LRV with Toshiba's propulsion. It sounds a little like the CAF cars with the "whine" as the train starts to accelerate and decelerate. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xbf7eNeh5qU&feature=related Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forest Glen Posted February 1, 2011 Share #17 Posted February 1, 2011 WE need bench style seating reguardless. If your 5'11 or taller sitting in transverse seats hurt and your knees will catch hell. I'm 6 feet tall and I fit in the transverse seats (albeit, barely). How about a compromise where some seats are bench seats and others are transverse? I simply don't want the DC Metro to stoop to the level of the NYC subway and treat its riders like cattle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NX Express Posted February 1, 2011 Share #18 Posted February 1, 2011 I'm 6 feet tall and I fit in the transverse seats (albeit, barely). How about a compromise where some seats are bench seats and others are transverse? I simply don't want the DC Metro to stoop to the level of the NYC subway and treat its riders like cattle. That's what it's like in NY, and how does that work? Not so well. @the last part: What other alternatives do they have if they want the orange, blue, AND silver lines to fit in one tunnel? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forest Glen Posted February 1, 2011 Share #19 Posted February 1, 2011 The system utilizes automatic train control. In addition, the Blue Line is nowhere near as crowded as the Orange line. One last compromise would be for 4-6 cars to have the normal transverse seating but the middle two cars in a consist to have no seats. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NX Express Posted February 1, 2011 Share #20 Posted February 1, 2011 the middle two cars in a consist to have no seats. If it didn't work here... It DEFINITELY wouldn't work there. Also, isn't Rosslyn already a bottlenecking area? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forest Glen Posted February 1, 2011 Share #21 Posted February 1, 2011 Bottom line, I want WMATA cars to look like this: Not this: See the difference? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IRT Bronx Express Posted February 1, 2011 Share #22 Posted February 1, 2011 More seats and bigger windows? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NX Express Posted February 1, 2011 Share #23 Posted February 1, 2011 More seats and bigger windows? Narrower aisles, harder-to-clean floor, rippable seats, seats that tall people can't sit in, 3 doors in a 75-ft car...need I go on? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forest Glen Posted February 1, 2011 Share #24 Posted February 1, 2011 Narrower Aisles I'll give you that. However, if people moved into the center of the cars instead of blocking the doors then there'd be more space Harder-to-clean floors The 7000 series won't have carpets. And unlike New Yorkers, DC Metro riders treat there system with respect by not littering. Rippable seats No one in Montgomery or Fairfax County rips subway seats. Seats that tall people can't sit in The average man is 5'9". The average woman is 5'4". There are quite a few people over 6'2", but that's not enough to justify bench seats. 3 doors in a 75 foot car Again, the Metro is more of a commuter railroad than a subway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NX Express Posted February 1, 2011 Share #25 Posted February 1, 2011 Narrower Aisles I'll give you that. However, if people moved into the center of the cars instead of blocking the doors then there'd be more space Keyword: IF. That's a big IF. Harder-to-clean floors The 7000 series won't have carpets. And unlike New Yorkers, DC Metro riders treat there system with respect by not littering. Okay...they won't have carpets. Good for them. It's harder to clean the slush on people's shoes from carpets anyway. Rippable seats No one in Montgomery or Fairfax County rips subway seats. I'm not sure about the NO ONE part. Seats that tall people can't sit in The average man is 5'9". The average woman is 5'4". There are quite a few people over 6'2", but that's not enough to justify bench seats. Bench seats take up less space. Also, some people sit on the outside seat to get a whole bench to themselves. This is avoidable with bench seats. 3 doors in a 75 foot car Again, the Metro is more of a commuter railroad than a subway. WMATA riders themselves suggested more doors (more than once). Also, it stops much too frequently and has too much crowding to qualify as a commuter railroad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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