BUS - Random Thoughts Thread

[B35 via Church]

MTA makes mistakes all the time! Check out the current bronx bus map notes and look at Bx27 night frequency

 

4 min late night headways on sundays..... lol !

 

 

 

um wat

 

Look at the sign carefully bro.....

The "B41" LTD does not run to Williamsbridge....

Edited August 25, 2012 by B35 via Church

[Via Garibaldi 8]

Well today I used the M50 for the first time since the 2010 cuts and it was nice to have that bus there. The headways aren't the greatest, but I didn't have to wait long after taking the M15 SBS from 57th & 2nd and there quite a few people riding to my surprise. In my short ride on the M50, I held the bus for an elderly lady who just happened to be an ex-Riverdalian (originally a Manhattanite). I imagine she was doing shopping since she had a SAKS bag with her. We conversed about the new Whole Foods at 57th bet 2nd & 3rd since she saw my Whole Foods bags and asked if I had been to the new location and I said yes and how it would be convenient now coming down from Riverdale with two Whole Foods just an express bus ride away in Riverdale. Then she mentioned that she too lived in Riverdale at one time up by 246th near Henry Hudson Parkway, so we of course chatted about the area. She lamented about how she couldn't stay in Riverdale because they didn't have any shopping there and she got tired of driving up to Westchester or coming into the city. I told her that Riverdale isn't that kind of place and folks move there for its natural beauty and quietness, but certainly not for shopping. I thought to myself if you came up there expecting Bloomingdales, Saks or Neiman Marcus, you came to the wrong place. She has since moved back to Manhattan though she enjoyed her time in Riverdale.

Edited August 25, 2012 by Via Garibaldi 8

[Threxx]

MTA makes mistakes all the time! Check out the current bronx bus map notes and look at Bx27 night frequency

 

 

That isn't the MTA who puts up the signs, it's the DOT...

[CDTA]

4 min late night headways on sundays..... lol !

 

 

 

 

 

Look at the sign carefully bro.....

The "B41" LTD does not run to Williamsbridge....

 

 

I was thinking it said Williamsburg. Not Williamsbridge.

[Turbo19]

That isn't the MTA who puts up the signs, it's the DOT...

 

And that is what happens for being old school. I don't know any other transit agency in the U.S. that has the DOT place signs. Approve the stops mabye, but not place them

 

 

Well today I used the M50 for the first time since the 2010 cuts and it was nice to have that bus there. The headways aren't the greatest, but I didn't have to wait long after taking the M15 SBS from 57th & 2nd and there quite a few people riding to my surprise. In my short ride on the M50, I held the bus for an elderly lady who just happened to be an ex-Riverdalian (originally a Manhattanite). I imagine she was doing shopping since she had a SAKS bag with her. We conversed about the new Whole Foods at 57th bet 2nd & 3rd since she saw my Whole Foods bags and asked if I had been to the new location and I said yes and how it would be convenient now coming down from Riverdale with two Whole Foods just an express bus ride away in Riverdale. Then she mentioned that she too lived in Riverdale at one time up by 246th near Henry Hudson Parkway, so we of course chatted about the area. She lamented about how she couldn't stay in Riverdale because they didn't have any shopping there and she got tired of driving up to Westchester or coming into the city. I told her that Riverdale isn't that kind of place and folks move there for its natural beauty and quietness, but certainly not for shopping. I thought to myself if you came up there expecting Bloomingdales, Saks or Neiman Marcus, you came to the wrong place. She has since moved back to Manhattan though she enjoyed her time in Riverdale.

 

See, not everyone wants the suburban life.

[Via Garibaldi 8]

See, not everyone wants the suburban life.

 

 

Don't you dare call Riverdale "suburban". *Sarcasm* Well it's good to know that other people have a clue when it comes to that topic.

[Turbo19]

Don't you dare call Riverdale "suburban". *Sarcasm* Well it's good to know that other people have a clue when it comes to that topic.

 

What are you insinuating. Well how do you want me to classify the North Bronx as.

 

Never mind, I see that was referring to your first sentence.

Edited August 26, 2012 by Turbo19

[Via Garibaldi 8]

What are you insinuating. Well how do you want me to classify the North Bronx as.

 

 

LOL... Just the way you did because that's exactly how the neighborhood is. I was just being sarcastic with that "urban" crappola. Riverdale is more suburban than some areas of Staten Island.

[Fresh Pond]

And in other non-Riverdale news, the transmission on this 956 sounds good...too bad its gonna bite the dust soon

[CDTA]

LOL... Just the way you did because that's exactly how the neighborhood is. I was just being sarcastic with that "urban" crappola. Riverdale is more suburban than some areas of Staten Island.

 

 

 

I wish Albany would realize that....

 

And a CDTA random thought: #4014H is the best bus iv'e ever ridden. But get this- It's a Gillig.

[checkmatechamp13]

Don't you dare call Riverdale "suburban". *Sarcasm* Well it's good to know that other people have a clue when it comes to that topic.

 

 

I didn't realize you could find tons of apartment buildings in the suburbs.

 

LOL... Just the way you did because that's exactly how the neighborhood is. I was just being sarcastic with that "urban" crappola. Riverdale is more suburban than some areas of Staten Island.

 

 

Population density of "suburban" North Riverdale: 14,248 ppsm (http://www.city-data.com/neighborhood/North-Riverdale-Bronx-NY.html)

 

Population density of "suburban" South Riverdale: 22,956 ppsm http://www.city-data.com/neighborhood/South-Riverdale-Bronx-NY.html

 

Population density of "urban" Mariners' Harbor: 12,084 ppsm http://www.city-data.com/neighborhood/Mariners-Harbor-Staten-Island-NY.html

 

But yeah, keep fooling yourself into thinking you live in the suburbs.

[CDTA]

I didn't realize you could find tons of apartment buildings in the suburbs.

 

 

 

Population density of "suburban" North Riverdale: 14,248 ppsm (http://www.city-data...e-Bronx-NY.html)

 

Population density of "suburban" South Riverdale: 22,956 ppsm http://www.city-data...e-Bronx-NY.html

 

Population density of "urban" Mariners' Harbor: 12,084 ppsm http://www.city-data...-Island-NY.html

 

But yeah, keep fooling yourself into thinking you live in the suburbs.

 

 

 

Wilton. Look up "Wilton, NY" on Google. That place is mainly apartments. Tell me that isn't the suburbs.

Don't forget, Albany has 500,000 people in it, but it's pretty much a suburb. (Despite what the upstate natives tell you.)

Edited August 26, 2012 by CDTA

[Turbo19]

I didn't realize you could find tons of apartment buildings in the suburbs.

 

 

 

Population density of "suburban" North Riverdale: 14,248 ppsm (http://www.city-data...e-Bronx-NY.html)

 

Population density of "suburban" South Riverdale: 22,956 ppsm http://www.city-data...e-Bronx-NY.html

 

Population density of "urban" Mariners' Harbor: 12,084 ppsm http://www.city-data...-Island-NY.html

 

But yeah, keep fooling yourself into thinking you live in the suburbs.

 

Contrary to belief, some apartment buildings are built and/or located in the suburbs. It is especally true here in California. However I will agree with you on the point you make that Mariners Habor was built as a suburbs. Such evidence is the build of the houses and haphazard roads that follow no real grid.

 

I know you guys have your disagreements and such, but could conflict not be avoided. Not referring to any one individual, but I think the problem is the misuse of the words suburban and urban. Urban doesn't automatically mean blighted, aka crappy. Likewise suburban doesn't always mean master plan communities, and single family housing. The characteristics of urban and suburban are very broad, so I can see where such preception stems from. With that said, can we agree that areas like Mairiners Harbor and Riverdale are suburban in thier own attributes.

[checkmatechamp13]

Wilton. Look up "Wilton, NY" on Google. That place is mainly apartments. Tell me that isn't the suburbs.

Don't forget, Albany has 500,000 people in it, but it's pretty much a suburb. (Despite what the upstate natives tell you.)

 

 

I'm not seeing any apartments in Wilton. The most urban part I could find was this, unless we're talking about a different area:

 

http://www.google.co...cbp=12,285,,0,0

 

That's not even suburban. That's basically rural.

 

Albany isn't a suburb of anything. A suburb would mean that a lot of its business is related to a central city. What central city are people in Albany commuting to? Schenectady? Albany isn't a suburb.

 

Suburb & suburban aren't the same thing. Suburb relates to where a lot of the people work, whereas suburban describes the layout of the area. White Plains is a suburb of NYC, but it isn't suburban.

 

Contrary to belief, some apartment buildings are built and/or located in the suburbs. It is especally true here in California. However I will agree with you on the point you make that Mariners Habor was built as a suburbs. Such evidence is the build of the houses and haphazard roads that follow no real grid.

 

I know you guys have your disagreements and such, but could conflict not be avoided. Not referring to any one individual, but I think the problem is the misuse of the words suburban and urban. Urban doesn't automatically mean blighted, aka crappy. Likewise suburban doesn't always mean master plan communities, and single family housing. The characteristics of urban and suburban are very broad, so I can see where such preception stems from. With that said, can we agree that areas like Mairiners Harbor and Riverdale are suburban in thier own attributes.

 

 

But the thing is that you don't have tons and tons of apartment buildings in the suburbs. You might have one or two, but not tons. He mentioned he lives near Henry Hudson Parkway & 235th Street. Well, let's take a look at that, shall we?

 

http://www.google.co...54VmHDwvif4jNNQ

 

Yeah, it looks nice with the trees and everything, but that's definitely not suburban. You could find that type of housing just outside the CBD of most cities.

 

Now let's take a look at an area he keeps calling "urban": http://www.google.co...13,70,,0,0&z=17

 

http://www.google.co...cbp=13,295,,0,0

 

That's as "urban" as the neighborhood gets, and it's still more spread-out than the part of Riverdale he lives in. You don't even have to consider it a "nice" area (because the second one especially is one of the few parts of the neighborhood that actually lives up to it's reputation for crime), but if you're going to call Riverdale suburban, you have to call areas like these suburban. Most of Mariners' Harbor doesn't even have any apartment buildings. You have a lot of sections that look like this: http://www.google.co...&cbp=12,90,,0,0 Even the crummy sections are more spread-out than his supposedly "suburban" Riverdale: http://www.google.co...&cbp=12,65,,0,0

 

To him, "urban" areas are areas populated by minorities. Plain and simple. He said the B6 gets more Blacks east of Flatbush Avenue because "those areas are more urban". Well, let's check it out:

 

http://www.google.co...cbp=13,190,,0,0 (Flatlands)

 

http://www.google.co...=13,181.97,,0,0 (Midwood)

 

I don't even think Flatlands is really considered a "bad" area, so the only way he describes the area's urbanity is by its racial composition. Not even crime or how run-down it is. That's my problem with him.

 

As far as urban vs. suburban and how I define it, you have to consider that NYC is the most urban area in the country. If you go into a residential neighborhood in another city (especially a Sunbelt city), their average city neighborhood is what we'd call suburban. I've seen some streetviews of Phoenix where you have single-family homes, and then you down the street, and a few blocks away, you have office buildings. For example, check this out: http://www.google.co...=12,263.25,,0,0

 

That doesn't even look like a nice neighborhood, but it's more suburban than practically any area in NYC. Same here: http://www.google.co...&cbp=12,50,,0,0

 

Let's do a more traditionally urban area like Chicago. This area's a couple of miles from Downtown (The Loop): http://www.google.co...&cbp=12,60,,0,0

 

Here's Miami: http://www.google.co...cbp=12,250,,0,0

 

Again, a couple of miles from Downtown.

 

BTW, if we intend to have a longer discussion about this, we should probably move this to the Off-topic Random Thoughts Thread over here: http://www.nyctransi.../page__st__5100

Edited August 26, 2012 by checkmatechamp13

[Via Garibaldi 8]

Contrary to belief, some apartment buildings are built and/or located in the suburbs. It is especally true here in California. However I will agree with you on the point you make that Mariners Habor was built as a suburbs. Such evidence is the build of the houses and haphazard roads that follow no real grid.

 

I know you guys have your disagreements and such, but could conflict not be avoided. Not referring to any one individual, but I think the problem is the misuse of the words suburban and urban. Urban doesn't automatically mean blighted, aka crappy. Likewise suburban doesn't always mean master plan communities, and single family housing. The characteristics of urban and suburban are very broad, so I can see where such preception stems from. With that said, can we agree that areas like Mairiners Harbor and Riverdale are suburban in thier own attributes.

 

 

Yeah, I agree with you with your points. I really don't feel like having a back and forth discussion on a non-topic, esp. since a few folks like you and CDTA (with common sense instead just "book sense" get my point). This is one big reason I stopped dealing with certain people because they take everything LITERALLY (in other words whatever is stated in a book) it has to be that. You get my point. Many people don't use the terms suburb and suburban literally but loosely because it isn't just based on how dense an area is or how many apt. buildings it has but the feel of the place as well. For example urban places tend to have transportation running later into the night and the stores stay open later, where as more suburban areas have the opposite, so the vibe of the area most certainly plays a role in what is called "urban" vs. "suburban".

Edited August 26, 2012 by Via Garibaldi 8

[checkmatechamp13]

Yeah, I agree with you with your points. I really don't feel like having a back and forth discussion on a non-topic, esp. since a few folks like you and CDTA (with common sense instead just "book sense" get my point). This is one big reason I stopped dealing with certain people because they take everything LITERALLY (in other words whatever is stated in a book) it has to be that. You get my point. Many people don't use the terms suburb and suburban literally but loosely because it isn't just based on how dense an area is or how many apt. buildings it has but the feel of the place as well. For example urban places tend to have transportation running later into the night and the stores stay open later, where as more suburban areas have the opposite, so the vibe of the area most certainly plays a role in what is called "urban" vs. "suburban".

 

 

Riverdale has the Bx9 & Bx10 all night. Mariners' Harbor has the S40, S46, & S48. Other than a couple of 24-hour delis (which I guarantee you can found in Riverdale), the neighborhood's dead after a certain hour.

 

See, this guy (I would just say "you", but he has me on his ignore list for those you don't know) thinks he knows the city inside and out. He goes down South Avenue one time on the express bus, and he's trying to convince me he knows that neighborhood better than I do, when I'm in there (on foot) on a regular basis. In fact, he's trying to convince me he knows my own neighborhood better than I do, talking about the ridership of the S89 when he hasn't even used it.

 

In fact, let's see him try to justify East Flatbush being urban while Midwood is suburban. East Flatbush has no subway service. Midwood has at least one line, if not two lines (if you're right in the middle of the Brighton Line & Nostrand Avenue Line). He says urban areas have better transportation, right? Alright, then explain that to me Mr. Common Sense.

Edited August 26, 2012 by checkmatechamp13

[Turbo19]

http://www.google.co...cbp=12,285,,0,0

 

But the thing is that you don't have tons and tons of apartment buildings in the suburbs. You might have one or two, but not tons. He mentioned he lives near Henry Hudson Parkway & 235th Street. Well, let's take a look at that, shall we?

 

http://www.google.co...54VmHDwvif4jNNQ

 

Yeah, it looks nice with the trees and everything, but that's definitely not suburban. You could find that type of housing just outside the CBD of most cities.

 

Now let's take a look at an area he keeps calling "urban": http://www.google.co...13,70,,0,0&z=17

 

http://www.google.co...cbp=13,295,,0,0

 

That's as "urban" as the neighborhood gets, and it's still more spread-out than the part of Riverdale he lives in. You don't even have to consider it a "nice" area (because the second one especially is one of the few parts of the neighborhood that actually lives up to it's reputation for crime), but if you're going to call Riverdale suburban, you have to call areas like these suburban. Most of Mariners' Harbor doesn't even have any apartment buildings. You have a lot of sections that look like this: http://www.google.co...&cbp=12,90,,0,0 Even the crummy sections are more spread-out than his supposedly "suburban" Riverdale: http://www.google.co...&cbp=12,65,,0,0

 

To him, "urban" areas are areas populated by minorities. Plain and simple. He said the B6 gets more Blacks east of Flatbush Avenue because "those areas are more urban". Well, let's check it out:

 

http://www.google.co...cbp=13,190,,0,0 (Flatlands)

 

http://www.google.co...=13,181.97,,0,0 (Midwood)

 

I don't even think Flatlands is really considered a "bad" area, so the only way he describes the area's urbanity is by its racial composition. Not even crime or how run-down it is. That's my problem with him.

 

As far as urban vs. suburban and how I define it, you have to consider that NYC is the most urban area in the country. If you go into a residential neighborhood in another city (especially a Sunbelt city), their average city neighborhood is what we'd call suburban. I've seen some streetviews of Phoenix where you have single-family homes, and then you down the street, and a few blocks away, you have office buildings. For example, check this out: http://www.google.co...=12,263.25,,0,0

 

That doesn't even look like a nice neighborhood, but it's more suburban than practically any area in NYC. Same here: http://www.google.co...&cbp=12,50,,0,0

 

Let's do a more traditionally urban area like Chicago. This area's a couple of miles from Downtown (The Loop): http://www.google.co...&cbp=12,60,,0,0

 

Here's Miami: http://www.google.co...cbp=12,250,,0,0

 

Again, a couple of miles from Downtown.

 

BTW, if we intend to have a longer discussion about this, we should probably move this to the Off-topic Random Thoughts Thread over here: http://www.nyctransi.../page__st__5100

 

 

Riverdale has the Bx9 & Bx10 all night. Mariners' Harbor has the S40, S46, & S48. Other than a couple of 24-hour delis (which I guarantee you can found in Riverdale), the neighborhood's dead after a certain hour.

 

See, this guy (I would just say "you", but he has me on his ignore list for those you don't know) thinks he knows the city inside and out. He goes down South Avenue one time on the express bus, and he's trying to convince me he knows that neighborhood better than I do, when I'm in there (on foot) on a regular basis. In fact, he's trying to convince me he knows my own neighborhood better than I do, talking about the ridership of the S89 when he hasn't even used it.

 

 

To think this all started from a simply reply.

 

I don't want to go heavily in to this. Instead of redundant debate, I was attempting to reach a compromise between . I stated in my above post on why someones views may be flawed. As I said before each have thier on individual traits on why they may be classified as suburban. Please (I'm not trying to be a douche) but there are other stuff to worry than to continue this topic.

 

 

Yeah, I agree with you with your points. I really don't feel like having a back and forth discussion on a non-topic, esp. since a few folks like you and CDTA (with common sense instead just "book sense" get my point). This is one big reason I stopped dealing with certain people because they take everything LITERALLY (in other words whatever is stated in a book) it has to be that. You get my point. Many people don't use the terms suburb and suburban literally but loosely because it isn't just based on how dense an area is or how many apt. buildings it has but the feel of the place as well. For example urban places tend to have transportation running later into the night and the stores stay open later, where as more suburban areas have the opposite, so the vibe of the area most certainly plays a role in what is called "urban" vs. "suburban".

 

Well there is nothing wrong with that, except that led to this debate. As I said before, I don't want to get deep into this, but like I said, they each have their attributes on why they are both suburban in my opinion. I wasn't trying to start isht, but rather give my opinion.

 

To any other members:

You guys may have grown tired of this by now, but I must state that this is a disscussion board. I don't think that any debates between members are bad in any sense, but I can see why one would find it annoying. If I could add, any derogatory comments toward member(s) don't solve any problems, but rather add fuel the fire. If one doesn't like it they can ignore it, but to just go attacking someone over something as that is ridiculous in itself.

[checkmatechamp13]

I don't want to go heavily in to this. Instead of redundant debate, I was attempting to reach a compromise between . I stated in my above post on why someones views may be flawed. As I said before each have thier on individual traits on why they may be classified as suburban. Please (I'm not trying to be a douche) but there are other stuff to worry than to continue this topic.

 

 

Well, all I'm saying is that I don't like the double standards. You want to classify certain areas as suburban, then fine, but don't go around making BS excuses as to why other areas are more urban, just because you don't like the type of people who live there (and believe me, this guy has a history of bashing "urban areas"). European cities are generally denser than ours, and he's spent a lot of time in Europe, so if Riverdale seems suburban, that's fine. But that means the other areas that are more spread-out (and don't have later transportation and stores and whatever) are also suburban.

[Turbo19]

Fair enough.

[CDTA]

I'm not seeing any apartments in Wilton. The most urban part I could find was this, unless we're talking about a different area:

 

http://www.google.co...cbp=12,285,,0,0

 

That's not even suburban. That's basically rural.

 

Albany isn't a suburb of anything. A suburb would mean that a lot of its business is related to a central city. What central city are people in Albany commuting to? Schenectady? Albany isn't a suburb.

 

Suburb & suburban aren't the same thing. Suburb relates to where a lot of the people work, whereas suburban describes the layout of the area. White Plains is a suburb of NYC, but it isn't suburban.

 

 

 

But the thing is that you don't have tons and tons of apartment buildings in the suburbs. You might have one or two, but not tons. He mentioned he lives near Henry Hudson Parkway & 235th Street. Well, let's take a look at that, shall we?

 

http://www.google.co...54VmHDwvif4jNNQ

 

Yeah, it looks nice with the trees and everything, but that's definitely not suburban. You could find that type of housing just outside the CBD of most cities.

 

Now let's take a look at an area he keeps calling "urban": http://www.google.co...13,70,,0,0&z=17

 

http://www.google.co...cbp=13,295,,0,0

 

That's as "urban" as the neighborhood gets, and it's still more spread-out than the part of Riverdale he lives in. You don't even have to consider it a "nice" area (because the second one especially is one of the few parts of the neighborhood that actually lives up to it's reputation for crime), but if you're going to call Riverdale suburban, you have to call areas like these suburban. Most of Mariners' Harbor doesn't even have any apartment buildings. You have a lot of sections that look like this: http://www.google.co...&cbp=12,90,,0,0 Even the crummy sections are more spread-out than his supposedly "suburban" Riverdale: http://www.google.co...&cbp=12,65,,0,0

 

To him, "urban" areas are areas populated by minorities. Plain and simple. He said the B6 gets more Blacks east of Flatbush Avenue because "those areas are more urban". Well, let's check it out:

 

http://www.google.co...cbp=13,190,,0,0 (Flatlands)

 

http://www.google.co...=13,181.97,,0,0 (Midwood)

 

I don't even think Flatlands is really considered a "bad" area, so the only way he describes the area's urbanity is by its racial composition. Not even crime or how run-down it is. That's my problem with him.

 

As far as urban vs. suburban and how I define it, you have to consider that NYC is the most urban area in the country. If you go into a residential neighborhood in another city (especially a Sunbelt city), their average city neighborhood is what we'd call suburban. I've seen some streetviews of Phoenix where you have single-family homes, and then you down the street, and a few blocks away, you have office buildings. For example, check this out: http://www.google.co...=12,263.25,,0,0

 

That doesn't even look like a nice neighborhood, but it's more suburban than practically any area in NYC. Same here: http://www.google.co...&cbp=12,50,,0,0

 

Let's do a more traditionally urban area like Chicago. This area's a couple of miles from Downtown (The Loop): http://www.google.co...&cbp=12,60,,0,0

 

Here's Miami: http://www.google.co...cbp=12,250,,0,0

 

Again, a couple of miles from Downtown.

 

BTW, if we intend to have a longer discussion about this, we should probably move this to the Off-topic Random Thoughts Thread over here: http://www.nyctransi.../page__st__5100

 

Just real quick:

I was referring a different part of Wilton, that doesn't show the apartments in street view.

[Threxx]

OMG THIS IS A RANDOM THOUGHTS THREAD FOR BUSES!!!!!!!!!!!

 

Enough with the suburban discussion. It's useless, people aren't going to change their ideas that easily....

 

Random thought: Will Cortelyou Road ever have decent service again?

[GojiMet86]

I find this funny:

 

B52 buses detoured due to a Block Party

Day, 11 AM to 8 PM, Saturday, Aug 25

 

Buses are being detoured from Gates Av between Malcolm X Blvd

and Patchen Av, then will operate as follows:

 

Westbound: Via Gates Av, right on Patchen Av, left on Lexington

Av, left on Malcolm X Blvd, right on Gates Av and regular route.

 

Eastbound: Via Gates Av, right on Malcolm X Blvd, left on Madison

St, left on Patchen Av, right on Gates Av and regular route.

 

Buses will make all corresponding stops along the detoured route.

 

• Please allow additional travel time.

 

[Threxx]

What's wrong? I live in Bed-Stuy, I see nothing wrong with the directions...

[GojiMet86]

What's wrong? I live in Bed-Stuy, I see nothing wrong with the directions...

 

 

 

B52 buses detoured due to a Block Party

Edited August 26, 2012 by GojiMet86

[Threxx]

So? That's common in Bed-Stuy, if you didn't know... they tend to have one every night here...