official Subway - What If?

[TheSubwayStation]

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Due to three consecutive incidents on the Lexington Av Line , Bowling Green, City Hall, and 125 St are all out of power. Run an on the Lexington if you want to. Just reroute away.

 

Assuming that you mean that no trains can pass or enter those stations:

some trains run local in Manhattan

96 St - Grand Central-42 St, local; single-track shuttle runs 96 St - 116 St; single track shuttle runs Grand Central-42 St - 14 St-Union Sq (local)

runs via 7 Av Express

Pelham Bay Park - 3 Av/138 St

 

runs via tunnel to provide transfer to at Court St

[Threxx]

I'm assuming you don't mean Bryant Park-42 Street.

 

no trains between 34 and 59 Streets

via from W 4 to 59 Street

via to 2 Avenue

replaces in Queens

Runs in two sections: Essex - Metro and Lexington - Continental

runs in two sections: 57 Street - Astoria and Whitehall - CI

turn at 34 Street

no service south of 137 Street

no service between 34 and 96 Streets

to South Ferry

replaces in Brooklyn

 

 

Bryant Park is included.

[TheSubwayStation]

NEXT: all Manhattan IRT express tracks (Lexington Av and 7 Av lines) are unusable. Exception: the express tracks at Chambers St, Brooklyn Bridge, and 125 St may be used so that trains can reach Brooklyn or the Bronx on their respective lines.

[Brighton Express]

NEXT: all Manhattan IRT express tracks (Lexington Av and 7 Av lines) are unusable. Exception: the express tracks at Chambers St, Brooklyn Bridge, and 125 St may be used so that trains can reach Brooklyn or the Bronx on their respective lines.

 

 

241 St to Flatbush Av (7 Av Local)

No Service

Woodlawn to New Lots Av (Lexington Av Local)

Dyre Av Shuttle

[BM5 via Woodhaven]

The Chambers Street station on the 123 is jammed in the position that local trains connect to the express tracks becaus of a 2 train using it. This is only the local track southbound. Also, the Montaugue street tunnel is flooded Brooklyn Bound, and the signal southbound at Canal Street is jammed making all trains reach the upper level of canal. Reroute the N Q R trains so that they reach their terminates without splitting it into two sections

[Brighton Express]

NEXT: all Manhattan IRT express tracks (Lexington Av and 7 Av lines) are unusable. Exception: the express tracks at Chambers St, Brooklyn Bridge, and 125 St may be used so that trains can reach Brooklyn or the Bronx on their respective lines.

 

241 St to Flatbush Av (7 Av Local)

No Service

Woodlawn to New Lots Av (Lexington Av Local)

Dyre Av Shuttle

 

 

Chief that is pretty much night service isn't it?

[TheSubwayStation]

Chief that is pretty much night service isn't it?

 

You're right. I realize that I made a mistake. Let me make things a little more challenging:

 

 

NEXT: all Manhattan IRT express tracks (Lexington Av and 7 Av lines) are unusable. The express tracks at Chambers St, Brooklyn Bridge, and 125 St may NOT be used.

[NX Express]

No trains between Rector St and Wall St.

Suspended

No trains between 149 St and Wall St. Extended to New Lots.

Dyre Shuttle

 

Additional trains operate between Atlantic Av and 161 St.

 

NEXT

The express tracks are closed at 72 St and 72 St .

 

Affected:

[TheSubwayStation]

stops at 72 St, uses switches north of 72 St and north of 59 St.

suspended

 

run local between Times Sq-42 St and 72 St

some trains run via Lexington Av Express

some trains do not run (lay up in Lenox or Livonia yard)

[Brighton Express]

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The express tracks are closed at 72 St and 72 St .

Affected:

 

 

Trains run Local between Times Sq and 96 St

Select trains may go to New Lots Av

Very select trains may go to 148 St

 

No Service

 

Trains go to New Lots Av

 

No Service

 

No Service

 

Run via Fulton/CPW/UWS Local and via CPW/Grand CC Local respectively

[Wallyhorse]

The express tracks are closed at 72 St 1/2/3 and 72 St B/C.

 

Affected: A/D/2/3

 

Here goes:

 

and run local: 207-Canal Street, 145th to 59th Street-Columbus Circle before resuming normal route.

and terminate at 59th Street-Columbus Circle: runs normal route otherwise, is express 59th-CC to Canal Street.

 

runs normal

runs local 96th-Chambers Street

runs New Lots Avenue to 42nd-Times Square ONLY (normal route).

shuttle runs 96th-148th Street-Lenox Terminal

 

All lines run normally in Brooklyn.

Edited June 26, 2012 by Wallyhorse

[TheSubwayStation]

NEXT:

 

Trains can only use lines constructed as part of the IRT, BMT and IND. Trains may not go from one of those three systems to another.

[Mysterious2train]

runs between Euclid Av and 207th St. Shuttle trains from Far Rockaway and Lefferts Blvd run up to 80th St (EB track)

runs between 145th St/Bedford Park Blvd and 2 Av, runs local between 34th St and 2 Av

runs between W 4 St and Norwood

runs between Church Av and 179th St, shuttle train runs between Ditmas Av (NB track) and Coney Island

cut back to Smith-9th St, extended to 71st Av, runs local in Queens

rerouted to Coney Island via Nassau St and West End

terminates at 57th St, rerouted to Astoria

 

Other lines unaffected

 

New task: One side of the Manhattan Bridge is to be shut-down full-time, just like over much of the past 30 years. Feel free to choose from the Broadway side or the 6th Av side being closed, and to include a plan of a bridge shutdown once SAS opens. Astoria must retain the same level of service it has currently.

Edited June 26, 2012 by Mysterious2train

[TheSubwayStation]

runs between Euclid Av and 207th St. Shuttle trains from Far Rockaway and Lefferts Blvd run up to 80th St (EB track)

runs between 145th St/Bedford Park Blvd and 2 Av, runs local between 34th St and 2 Av

runs between W 4 St and Norwood

runs between Church Av and 179th St, shuttle train runs between Ditmas Av (NB track) and Coney Island

cut back to Smith-9th St, extended to 71st Av, runs local in Queens

rerouted to Coney Island via Nassau St and West End

terminates at 57th St, rerouted to Astoria

 

Other lines unaffected

 

Problems:

1. The Rockaway line was built as part of the Long Island Railroad

2. The train can't use the 63 St tunnel, which was built by the MTA

3. The and lines can't use the Archer Av line, which was built by the MTA

4. The train can't use the Dyre Av line, which was built by the New York Boston and Manhattan Railroad company

Edited June 26, 2012 by TheSubwayStation

[Mysterious2train]

Good point. Those are all easily rectified, though. to 179th, to 121st St, via 53rd St and the runs to 241st St. And the entire Rockaways will be left with out service. At least there's the Q52.

Edited June 26, 2012 by Mysterious2train

[Mr Railfan]

runs between Euclid Av and 207th St. Shuttle trains from Far Rockaway and Lefferts Blvd run up to 80th St (EB track)

runs between 145th St/Bedford Park Blvd and 2 Av, runs local between 34th St and 2 Av

runs between W 4 St and Norwood

runs between Church Av and 179th St, shuttle train runs between Ditmas Av (NB track) and Coney Island

cut back to Smith-9th St, extended to 71st Av, runs local in Queens

rerouted to Coney Island via Nassau St and West End

terminates at 57th St, rerouted to Astoria

 

Other lines unaffected

 

New task: One side of the Manhattan Bridge is to be shut-down full-time, just like over much of the past 30 years. Feel free to choose from the Broadway side or the 6th Av side being closed, and to include a plan of a bridge shutdown once SAS opens. Astoria must retain the same level of service it has currently.

 

 

Hmm i wanna try this one,

 

From CI to Astoria via Whitehall Street all times [Rush Hours - Additional Q trains Originate at Whitehall street and Run local via Broadway to fix the gap left by the N]

From CI to 36 Street via Express from 59 street all times - using the switch on the express track to turn around. (A new Timetable has to be created for the N so that it can sync in with the D and minimize switching delays if trains are on schedule.

From 95 ST to Forest Hills all times Except Late Nights [Late nights - Trains Run from 95 Street to Queens Plaza utilizing the switch before Queens plaza in the Tunnel connecting to the 60 st tunnel.] [Morning Rush hours - Select R trains run from CI to 57-7ave via Sea Beach/4 Av LCL - Whitehall street Broadway LCL]

 

After opening of SAS Phase 1:

runs from CI to 96 Street Broadway Exp via Whitehall Street

From Bay Ridge -95 Street to Astoria-Ditmars via Whitehall St Broadway Local.

(Rush Hours - To meet the need of Astoria - a switch is created slightly past canal street towards the bridge so that canal street [bridge tracks] Can be used as a terminal (since the bridge is closed full time) . After the Switch is created Trains Resume service from the new terminal at canal street and run to Astoria via Broadway express to help the ).

Shuttle CI to 36 st all times. [Also during rush hours Some trains originate at Canal Street and run to Astoria via Broadway express].

 

Extended to Forest Hills 71 AV - All Times (to supplement Loss of the R) Except Late Nights [Late Nights - Cut back to Court Square]

 

Service unaffected.

Edited June 26, 2012 by Mr Railfan

[TrainFanInfinity]

Good point. Those are all easily rectified, though. [E] to 179th, [J] [Z] to 121st St, [F] via 53rd St and the [5] runs to 241st St. And the entire Rockaways will be left with out service. At least there's the Q52.

 

And the Q53, too...

 

New task: One side of the Manhattan Bridge is to be shut-down full-time, just like over much of the past 30 years. Feel free to choose from the Broadway side or the 6th Av side being closed, and to include a plan of a bridge shutdown once SAS opens. Astoria must retain the same level of service it has currently.

 

 

Lemme try both.....

 

Broadway Lines:

Rerouted via Whitehall Street.

Rerouted via 6^th Avenue Express. Late nights-via 6^th Avenue Local.

 

Broadway Lines+SAS:

Rerouted via Whitehall Street.

Rerouted via 6^th Avenue Express, to Upper West Side-96 Street, all times.

 

Please expect some delays on the lines.

 

6th Avenue Lines:

Runs in two sections:

• Between Brighton Beach, Brooklyn and Whitehall Street, Manhattan, via the .

• Between Lower East Side-2^nd Avenue, Manhattan and Norwood-205 Street, via the .

 

Rerouted via Broadway Express, to 57 Street-7 Avenue.

 

6th Avenue Lines+SAS:

Runs in two sections:

• Between Brighton Beach, Brooklyn and Whitehall Street, Manhattan, via the .

• Between Lower East Side-2^nd Avenue, Manhattan and Norwood-205 Street, via the .

 

Rerouted via Broadway Express and 2^nd Avenue Local, to Upper East Side-96 Street. (Since it can't terminate at 57 Street...)

 

Please expect delays on the lines.

 

Just in case a Second Avenue Line runs via bridge (VERY unlikely...),

(SAS) Rerouted via the to Hanover Square.

 

Oh, and all of the service changes are at DIFFERENT times, not at the same time, that would be catastrophic, _{that just gave me an idea for a problem.}

I hope nobody starts up a fight because I included the SAS detour.....

 

NEXT:

Here's my idea. The Manhattan Bridge is shut down for some reason.....reroute the , and any other lines you need to, and also, include another plan when the SAS opens, like the previous problem. I'm pretty sure that this problem was already posted, but what the heck. Reroute away....

[TheSubwayStation]

NEXT, peeps:

 

While 6 Av FASTRACK is in effect, the entire 53 St line becomes unusable.

[Mr Railfan]

NEXT, peeps:

 

While 6 Av FASTRACK is in effect, the entire 53 St line becomes unusable.

 

 

Unaffected - runs as planed

Unaffected - runs as planed

via Broadway Local /59 street / to Whitehall Street

via Sea Beach Express / Broadway Express / 63 St

Extended to Astoria Ditmars / Broadway Express

[Threxx]

NEW SCENARIO:

 

Construction on Phase III of the SAS causes an explosion forcing Grand Central to be shut down. Reroute , , , , and MNRR trains.

[B3 Via Av U]

Runs via the 7th Avenue line.

Dyre Shuttle

Pelham Shuttle

Cut back to Queensboro Plaza.

[BM5 via Woodhaven]

Scenario:

A train is stuck on the Manhattan Bridge Bypass tracks and the Montague street tracks are frozen to only connect to the . Reroute all trains, and please be realistic. Do not shorten car length or extend them. Please reroute now

[Threxx]

Pelham Shuttle

 

 

I hope you mean 86th Street-Pelham Bay...

 

And what will serve the south section of Lex?

[TheSubwayStation]

Scenario:

A train is stuck on the Manhattan Bridge Bypass tracks and the Montague street tracks are frozen to only connect to the . Reroute all trains, and please be realistic. Do not shorten car length or extend them. Please reroute now

 

Assuming you mean that BOTH of the DeKalb Av bypass tracks are unusable:

 

Suspended (or trains can run via Culver to CIY)

runs local in Brooklyn; stops at DeKalb Av

Coney Island - Atlantic Av

runs in two sections; Bay Ridge-95 St - Court St, Whitehall St - Forest Hills-71 Av

 

You'll notice that I did NOT extend the to South Brooklyn here. I did this because most people in that area will be confused when they see a ; they likely won't get on it. But they'll feel comfortable taking the to Court St or Jay St-Metrotech for the or switching to a or train at Atlantic Av.

[VWM]

NEXT:

Here's my idea. The Manhattan Bridge is shut down for some reason.....reroute the , and any other lines you need to, and also, include another plan when the SAS opens, like the previous problem. I'm pretty sure that this problem was already posted, but what the heck. Reroute away....

 

I shall gladly reroute.

Pre-SAS

to Grand Street

to CI via Culver EXP

unaffected

 

via Whitehall

 

Post SAS

6th Avenue would stay the same.

 

The would run to Astoria, and the would run on QBL to replace it.