Bus Guy Posted November 5, 2011 Share #1 Posted November 5, 2011 Ive been wondering how many people actually care what takes them where they have to go, say for example the old Brooklyn Els (Myrtle, Lexington, Fulton, 5th, and over the Brooklyn Bridge) and the Manhattan Els (2nd, 3rd, 6th and 9th) were back in place. Now how many of you would take them over the current system or take the current system over them and why? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andres Posted November 5, 2011 Share #2 Posted November 5, 2011 i would take the Els because traveling underground for a long time gets boring even with an RFW because all thats in the tunnels are wires signals and walls and columns but up on an elevated structure you get to see New york from a different point of view, you see things tat you cant see once the train goes into a portal. The only downside is the noise the trains make on the Structure when they curve. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peacemak3r Posted November 5, 2011 Share #3 Posted November 5, 2011 With the amount of cars we have now in the city, I'd have to prefer the current underground system. I've drove firsthand many times in Manhattan and it's bad enough without the elevated support beams and such. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roadcruiser1 Posted November 5, 2011 Share #4 Posted November 5, 2011 Elevated lines are cheaper to build per mile then subway tunnels. Also they are completed in a much faster timing then a subway tunnel. You could have the Second Avenue Elevated rebuilt in a decade, but the subway would take longer then that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sam Posted November 5, 2011 Share #5 Posted November 5, 2011 I enjoy both and would take whatever gets me to my destination the fastest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest lance25 Posted November 5, 2011 Share #6 Posted November 5, 2011 I think it's a case by case issue. In certain instances, it would be much better to take the subway over the elevated if both continued to exist. Take the Fulton Street elevated over the subway of the same name for example. Since the elevated and subway would meet each other at Grant Av, let's say someone needed to get to downtown Brooklyn from Grant Av. That person would take longer to get to his destination if he took the elevated line as it has to make more stops. The same would apply with the 9th Avenue line, what with both the IRT 7th Avenue line and the IND 8th Avenue line just a block away for the most part. However, there are a few cases where elevated lines and subway do not parallel each other and probably would get a lot of ridership. Case and point, the Myrtle Avenue line south of Broadway and the 3rd Avenue line in the Bronx. Then there the capacity issue. Right now, the east side lines are at or near capacity because there's no alternative. But if the IRT 2nd Avenue still exists (just 2nd, this and 3rd would probably be overkill), it'd still see a significant amount of patrons, regardless of its close proximity to Lexington Avenue. What it all boils down to is where the lines are and who are taking to the trains. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HarvestmanMan Posted November 5, 2011 Share #7 Posted November 5, 2011 From a transit fan's point of view, I'd prefer an el because you actually get to see some cool stuff while getting to your destination. As a commuter...I can't really speak on that level, because I've never lived in a city with an el or a (finished) subway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roadcruiser1 Posted November 5, 2011 Share #8 Posted November 5, 2011 I think the southern end of the future Nostrand Avenue Line should be elevated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andres Posted November 5, 2011 Share #9 Posted November 5, 2011 I think the southern end of the future Nostrand Avenue Line should be elevated. Future? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roadcruiser1 Posted November 5, 2011 Share #10 Posted November 5, 2011 The uncompleted section to Sheepshead Bay. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andres Posted November 5, 2011 Share #11 Posted November 5, 2011 The uncompleted section to Sheepshead Bay. I don't think that extension will ever be completed, i mean that first came up in the 30's Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roadcruiser1 Posted November 6, 2011 Share #12 Posted November 6, 2011 Not really. Besides last I read it can't be completed as a subway because of the high groundwater content down there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kamen Rider Posted November 6, 2011 Share #13 Posted November 6, 2011 Please, watch the Nazi Banksters Crimes Ripple Effect at http://jforjustice.co.uk/banksters Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gorgor Posted November 6, 2011 Share #14 Posted November 6, 2011 I like the elevated portions, as long as they're no where near my house. If the 2nd or even 3rd Avenue El was still up then I definitely would not be living on the East Side. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TriboroughBridge Posted November 6, 2011 Share #15 Posted November 6, 2011 I like the elevated portions, as long as they're no where near my house. If the 2nd or even 3rd Avenue El was still up then I definitely would not be living on the East Side. There's a plus side to living near an el, one, your mortgages/rent would be a lot cheaper & two, someone once wrote a comment on youtube on a J train video,(he lives near an el) that he stayed by someone & he couldnt sleep due to the lack of an el train line. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roadcruiser1 Posted November 6, 2011 Share #16 Posted November 6, 2011 Actually you get used to the noise. I remember being young, and being really annoyed with the West End Line. It takes some time to get used to it, but once you do the sounds of the trains put you to sleep. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kamen Rider Posted November 6, 2011 Share #17 Posted November 6, 2011 Please, watch the Nazi Banksters Crimes Ripple Effect at http://jforjustice.co.uk/banksters Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roadcruiser1 Posted November 6, 2011 Share #18 Posted November 6, 2011 The best thing about elevated lines is you don't have to be on it, and you could be on the ground or your porch and still rail fan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
checkmatechamp13 Posted November 6, 2011 Share #19 Posted November 6, 2011 Actually you get used to the noise. I remember being young, and being really annoyed with the West End Line. It takes some time to get used to it, but once you do the sounds of the trains put you to sleep. I used to live a couple of blocks east of the Brighton Beach station, and whenever we would do shopping on Brighton Beach Avenue, that train would shriek as loud as anything because the curve was right before the station. My parents and grandmother hated it, but me being the little railfan that I was would love that sound. There was all of the noise from the cars, buses and people in the area: What's one more sound on top of it? Of course, if I lived there for 40 or 50 years, I'd probably be deaf (which is why long-term, I'd prefer to live near a subway line) I'm surprised my grandmother isn't totally deaf: She spent 30 years of her life living in Brighton Beach, and her childhood was spent in Borough Park near the West End Line. As far as commuting goes, it wouldn't really matter either way. Els have the advantage of fresh air, but you're also more exposed to the cold in the winter (I was born in Peru, so I don't mind the heat in the subway in the summer). I guess els have a more scenic view, though. I like the elevated portions, as long as they're no where near my house. If the 2nd or even 3rd Avenue El was still up then I definitely would not be living on the East Side. I'm sure if the els were still in the area, the UES wouldn't be the wealthy neighborhood it is today. I can't picture a billionaire wanting to live a block away from a noisy elevated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roadcruiser1 Posted November 6, 2011 Share #20 Posted November 6, 2011 I am sure if the Third Avenue Elevated was still around it would be retrofitted to deal with the noise levels, and it would have been the only surviving elevated line in Manhattan which would make it extremely popular with tourists. Like the Chicago El's the Third Avenue El if left alone would have been just, or maybe even more popular then the ones in Chicago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
INDman Posted November 6, 2011 Share #21 Posted November 6, 2011 Ive been wondering how many people actually care what takes them where they have to go, say for example the old Brooklyn Els (Myrtle, Lexington, Fulton, 5th, and over the Brooklyn Bridge) and the Manhattan Els (2nd, 3rd, 6th and 9th) were back in place. Now how many of you would take them over the current system or take the current system over them and why? I'd just take what ever is closer to where I am and gets me where I need to go with the least amount of transfers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peacemak3r Posted November 6, 2011 Share #22 Posted November 6, 2011 I think the southern end of the future Nostrand Avenue Line should be elevated. No one on Nostrand Ave would approve this, I live on Nostand and would not want an elevated there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roadcruiser1 Posted November 6, 2011 Share #23 Posted November 6, 2011 It would be a modern concrete elevated structure like the Skytrain in Vancouver not a metal steel structure like the West End Elevated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gorgor Posted November 6, 2011 Share #24 Posted November 6, 2011 There's a plus side to living near an el, one, your mortgages/rent would be a lot cheaper & two, someone once wrote a comment on youtube on a J train video,(he lives near an el) that he stayed by someone & he couldnt sleep due to the lack of an el train line. Yeah, rent is a lot cheaper because you've got trains making tons of noise at all hours of the day and night. I'm speaking as a regular New Yorker, and not as some hyped up rail fan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kamen Rider Posted November 6, 2011 Share #25 Posted November 6, 2011 Please, watch the Nazi Banksters Crimes Ripple Effect at http://jforjustice.co.uk/banksters Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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