BreeddekalbL Posted February 16, 2013 Share #1801 Posted February 16, 2013 Leave feeders alone. They have their own purpose, they don't need to be combined with unreliable routes. SORRY! just as were are talking about suggesting the b74 to have the b68 take over i found this http://www.nyctransitforums.com/forums/topic/7922-are-shuttle-bus-routes-b42-b74-s60-q74-needed/ 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Culver Posted February 17, 2013 Share #1802 Posted February 17, 2013 I'm gonna make this B102 LTD thing work eventually. Latest "throw shit against the wall" attempt: https://maps.google.com/maps/ms?msid=202807188220210378870.0004d4388451eefa3aee9&msa=0&ll=40.651732,-73.886833&spn=0.078533,0.154324 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qjtransitmaster Posted February 17, 2013 Share #1803 Posted February 17, 2013 I'm gonna make this B102 LTD thing work eventually. Latest "throw shit against the wall" attempt: https://maps.google.com/maps/ms?msid=202807188220210378870.0004d4388451eefa3aee9&msa=0&ll=40.651732,-73.886833&spn=0.078533,0.154324 It's even worse. Leave feeders alone. They have their own purpose, they don't need to be combined with unreliable routes. keyword: Unreliable routes! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turbo19 Posted February 17, 2013 Share #1804 Posted February 17, 2013 (edited) It's even worse. keyword: Unreliable routes! I'd consider the B68 to be pretty damn unreliable. Also, how will the B74's current frequency fair if combined with the B68? Edited February 17, 2013 by Turbo19 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qjtransitmaster Posted February 18, 2013 Share #1805 Posted February 18, 2013 I'd consider the B68 to be pretty damn unreliable. Also, how will the B74's current frequency fair if combined with the B68? why you think it should not merge with B68. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
checkmatechamp13 Posted February 18, 2013 Share #1806 Posted February 18, 2013 I'd consider the B68 to be pretty damn unreliable. Also, how will the B74's current frequency fair if combined with the B68? Well, I don't think that would be an issue, because IIRC, the headways of both routes are comparable. I think the B74 is more frequent during rush hours, but you could always have short-turns. I'm not endorsing it, and I think they should remain as seperate routes, but I don't think there would be an issue with the frequencies. why you think it should not merge with B68. Coney Island is a dense area, and the only other route serving it (the B36) is unreliable. So if you have an issue on the B36 and an issue on the B68/74, well, I feel sorry for the first CI-bound bus to pull into that loop. BTW, I forget. Does the B36 stop within that loop or not? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Metro CSW Posted February 18, 2013 Share #1807 Posted February 18, 2013 (edited) Does the B36 stop within that loop or not? Nope. On the east side corners of Stillwell & Surf. Edited February 18, 2013 by Metro CSW 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aemoreira81 Posted February 21, 2013 Share #1808 Posted February 21, 2013 Related to the B84 idea---noting that ridership on the B20 east of the Linden and Boulevard Houses is pretty sparse (the B15 is the line that carries through that area into the Pink Houses), might it be better to restructure the B20 into the B84? This is what I would propose: At Ashford Street, branch the B20. You would have a branch that runs to the Brooklyn GMF as it does now, but then the other branch would run to Gateway Mall. Here, I would propose a change to have the B84 (renumbering it to B21, now a B20 branch, but actually the mainline as it would turn out) continue down Wortman to Elton Street, run south on Elton to Vandalia Avenue, then east on Vandalia, and then do the loop around the DDSO to Gateway Mall. The other branch would run as the B20 does now. That routing would be strategic to optimally serve the new Spring Creek housing tracts and the Spring Creek Educational Campus. The branch that runs to the GMF would then be proposed to have weekend service eliminated, as it serves mostly industry that is not open on weekends. On weekdays, buses would alternate on each branch. On weekends, all service would be to and from Gateway only (no GMF service). Customers from the Linden Houses needing access to the GMF could take the B6 to the B15 or the B84 to the B13. The B21 would be the mainline. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B35 via Church Posted February 21, 2013 Share #1809 Posted February 21, 2013 Related to the B84 idea---noting that ridership on the B20 east of the Linden and Boulevard Houses is pretty sparse (the B15 is the line that carries through that area into the Pink Houses), might it be better to restructure the B20 into the B84? This is what I would propose: At Ashford Street, branch the B20. You would have a branch that runs to the Brooklyn GMF as it does now, but then the other branch would run to Gateway Mall. Here, I would propose a change to have the B84 (renumbering it to B21, now a B20 branch, but actually the mainline as it would turn out) continue down Wortman to Elton Street, run south on Elton to Vandalia Avenue, then east on Vandalia, and then do the loop around the DDSO to Gateway Mall. The other branch would run as the B20 does now. That routing would be strategic to optimally serve the new Spring Creek housing tracts and the Spring Creek Educational Campus. The branch that runs to the GMF would then be proposed to have weekend service eliminated, as it serves mostly industry that is not open on weekends. On weekdays, buses would alternate on each branch. On weekends, all service would be to and from Gateway only (no GMF service). Customers from the Linden Houses needing access to the GMF could take the B6 to the B15 or the B84 to the B13. The B21 would be the mainline. Your B21 is very similar to my B84 rendition, except I wouldn't have the route run as far north as the current B20 does along penn, and I would have the B84 end over there by the linden plaza apartments (via gateway mall), instead of yet another route ending at gateway mall.... I don't see much of a point to branching a line like the B20 though.... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrooklynBus Posted February 21, 2013 Share #1810 Posted February 21, 2013 Okay, briefly this is what we are thinking about. Instead of the B84, reroute and extend the Q8 down to New Lots and west to the New Lots Station, then pick up the proposed B84 with a slight modification to run on Vandalia instead of Flatlands where there is new housing to Gateway. Reroute the B15 from New Lots to Linden between Ashford and Fountain. Reroute the B6 up Van Siclen to the Van Siclen Station. Eliminate the B20 Straighten to B83 to operate straight on Pennsylvania doubling service with every other bus terminating at Vandalia. Extend the B7 to take over the Bushwick and Ridgewood portion of the B20. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aemoreira81 Posted February 21, 2013 Share #1811 Posted February 21, 2013 Your B21 is very similar to my B84 rendition, except I wouldn't have the route run as far north as the current B20 does along penn, and I would have the B84 end over there by the linden plaza apartments (via gateway mall), instead of yet another route ending at gateway mall.... I don't see much of a point to branching a line like the B20 though.... The location of Gateway Mall really precludes any route from running through that spot though. As for branching the B20, it's to prevent Gateway from being overserved on weekdays and maintain weekday service to the GMF for network coverage..I had initially thought about making a post for keeping it on Wortman to serve the industry, but thought against it in that post. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B35 via Church Posted February 21, 2013 Share #1812 Posted February 21, 2013 The location of Gateway Mall really precludes any route from running through that spot though. As for branching the B20, it's to prevent Gateway from being overserved on weekdays and maintain weekday service to the GMF for network coverage..I had initially thought about making a post for keeping it on Wortman to serve the industry, but thought against it in that post. How you figure any preclusion? Buses coming from either direction would use fountain to stop at the current stop(s) buses pickup/dropoff pax at down @ gateway mall.... You're branching the 20 to keep gateway from being overserved.... Well wait a second, how much service would you plan on putting on these buses (B20/"B21")? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aemoreira81 Posted February 21, 2013 Share #1813 Posted February 21, 2013 (edited) How you figure any preclusion? Buses coming from either direction would use fountain to stop at the current stop(s) buses pickup/dropoff pax at down @ gateway mall.... You're branching the 20 to keep gateway from being overserved.... Well wait a second, how much service would you plan on putting on these buses (B20/"B21")? Weekdays, alternating buses with some trips during the rush hour beginning and ending at Ashford and Wortman. During the midday, that would be between every 20 and 30 minutes, but not more than every 12-15 minutes during the rush. (GMF service would be at least every 20 minutes.) Perhaps Saturday service could also run on the GMF branch. But all Sunday service would be to Gateway, as well as all service after 9 PM. Edited February 21, 2013 by aemoreira81 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Threxx Posted February 22, 2013 Share #1814 Posted February 22, 2013 Okay, briefly this is what we are thinking about. Instead of the B84, reroute and extend the Q8 down to New Lots and west to the New Lots Station, then pick up the proposed B84 with a slight modification to run on Vandalia instead of Flatlands where there is new housing to Gateway. Reroute the B15 from New Lots to Linden between Ashford and Fountain. Reroute the B6 up Van Siclen to the Van Siclen Station. Eliminate the B20 Straighten to B83 to operate straight on Pennsylvania doubling service with every other bus terminating at Vandalia. Extend the B7 to take over the Bushwick and Ridgewood portion of the B20. The only thing I agree with here is the Q8 reroute. None of this other stuff is necessary, and it would only hurt riders by cutting the B20 and using multiple routes to replace it. This won't be popular with residents, I can say that much. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B35 via Church Posted February 23, 2013 Share #1815 Posted February 23, 2013 The only thing I agree with here is the Q8 reroute. None of this other stuff is necessary, and it would only hurt riders by cutting the B20 and using multiple routes to replace it. This won't be popular with residents, I can say that much. + rep. There's a reason I never responded to that post of his, and that pretty much summarizes it (in bold).... I agree with running B83's along penn, but everything else is not necessary..... AEMoreira's plan of fusing the B84 into a branch of the B20 even makes more sense than all of that..... Everything is all interconnected w/ that plan BrooklynBus posted, just to not have the B84 around - too many routes involved.... I don't even agree with the Q8 reroute; two reasons: 1] ...because the current route takes riders off the B13 b/w Euclid av & Gateway Mall.... even I'm surprised at how well the Q8 is used, south of Pitkin....I was originally against the MTA sending the Q8 down to gateway & felt maybe they should've chosen the 7 instead..... While it would take mileage off the Q8 & give that part of Brooklyn access to the , you're gonna cram more people onto the B13 in lieu of doing so.... I personally don't think it's worth it.... 2] ...because it's at the expense of moving B15's along that dead part of linden blvd the current B20 runs along..... Weekdays, alternating buses with some trips during the rush hour beginning and ending at Ashford and Wortman. During the midday, that would be between every 20 and 30 minutes, but not more than every 12-15 minutes during the rush. (GMF service would be at least every 20 minutes.) Perhaps Saturday service could also run on the GMF branch. But all Sunday service would be to Gateway, as well as all service after 9 PM. That's an odd short-turn terminal, but alright, I gotcha.... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qjtransitmaster Posted February 23, 2013 Share #1816 Posted February 23, 2013 The only thing I agree with here is the Q8 reroute. None of this other stuff is necessary, and it would only hurt riders by cutting the B20 and using multiple routes to replace it. This won't be popular with residents, I can say that much. nope those Q8 riders will not have it it's good enough as is MTA perfected it. People just want to get to the mall quicker. Brooklynbus is smart but all this to prevent B84 is not needed why can't we think of a way to make B84 work like linking areas that aren't linked very well to SE brooklyn. Not creative at all. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrooklynBus Posted February 23, 2013 Share #1817 Posted February 23, 2013 The only thing I agree with here is the Q8 reroute. None of this other stuff is necessary, and it would only hurt riders by cutting the B20 and using multiple routes to replace it. This won't be popular with residents, I can say that much. B83 service would be doubled to accommodate the loss of B20 service. The only people who would be hurt would be East NY riders going to Bushwick and Ridgewood. Since buses to Ridgewood are not frequent, there could not be many riders making that trip. If needed some B83s could be extended to Decatur and Broadway or a three-legged transfer could be provided. In exchange, extending te B7 to Ridgewood would open up that route to a new service area and boost ridership on that route. The idea in rerouting is to help more people than you are hurting, because any plan will hurt some people unless you always just add layers of new service which is not feasible. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qjtransitmaster Posted February 23, 2013 Share #1818 Posted February 23, 2013 why not make B84 useful and serve airtrain lefferts via belt and stop at cross bay blvd then have it serve one of those underserved corridors in queens. Like basley blvd I am sure a good chunk of folks travel from that part of queens to brooklyn. Wouldn't it tie into your B22 alan rosen? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Metro CSW Posted February 23, 2013 Share #1819 Posted February 23, 2013 why not make B84 useful and serve airtrain lefferts via belt and stop at cross bay blvd then have it serve one of those underserved corridors in queens. Like basley blvd I am sure a good chunk of folks travel from that part of queens to brooklyn. Wouldn't it tie into your B22 alan rosen? Would like to map out your proposal, sir? I pretty easy.... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qjtransitmaster Posted February 24, 2013 Share #1820 Posted February 24, 2013 (edited) Would like to map out your proposal, sir? I pretty easy.... https://maps.google.com/maps/ms?msid=211846162174680598825.0004d66da0d6320aa80cc&msa=0&ll=40.66281,-73.875166&spn=0.016277,0.043366 here https://maps.google.com/maps/ms?authuser=0&ie=UTF8&hl=en&oe=UTF8&msa=0&msid=211846162174680598825.0004d66da0d6320aa80cc View comments for street details google doesn't like to be straight I was on GPL sorry. Edited February 24, 2013 by qjtransitmaster 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Culver Posted February 24, 2013 Share #1821 Posted February 24, 2013 https://maps.google.com/maps/ms?msid=211846162174680598825.0004d66da0d6320aa80cc&msa=0&ll=40.66281,-73.875166&spn=0.016277,0.043366 here https://maps.google.com/maps/ms?authuser=0&ie=UTF8&hl=en&oe=UTF8&msa=0&msid=211846162174680598825.0004d66da0d6320aa80cc View comments for street details google doesn't like to be straight I was on GPL sorry. What in the name of... Why is it going to Queens Village? That's a B84 that runs mostly in Queens. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Metro CSW Posted February 24, 2013 Share #1822 Posted February 24, 2013 https://maps.google.com/maps/ms?msid=211846162174680598825.0004d66da0d6320aa80cc&msa=0&ll=40.66281,-73.875166&spn=0.016277,0.043366 here https://maps.google.com/maps/ms?authuser=0&ie=UTF8&hl=en&oe=UTF8&msa=0&msid=211846162174680598825.0004d66da0d6320aa80cc View comments for street details google doesn't like to be straight I was on GPL sorry. What lack of detail did I just view? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Culver Posted February 24, 2013 Share #1823 Posted February 24, 2013 What lack of detail did I just view? Bus stop shelters for airborne buses already being manufactured: 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qjtransitmaster Posted February 24, 2013 Share #1824 Posted February 24, 2013 (edited) What lack of detail did I just view? google on GPL sucks apparently. It uses the belt to cross bay blvd with new stop for Q53/52 to enable connections then the Q81/B84 goes to the conduit to lefferts airtrain linking to Q10/airtrain ties in with alan's B22 then the Q81/B84 uses nassau expressway northbound and 150th street to baisley southbound via the conduit to airtrain then belt. It uses baisley blvd all the way to farmers then via murdock to springfield blvd to queens village LIRR. Basically a southern queens crosstown. What in the name of... Why is it going to Queens Village? That's a B84 that runs mostly in Queens. Basically it should have a Q designation Q81 queens village-New lots ave subway via baisley blvd and belt parkway/nassau expressway. Bus stop shelters for airborne buses already being manufactured: Give me a break I am new to making maps on google I did draw on the roads apparently it did not show very well I don't know why. I'd prefer it to have a Q designation instead. It will be split between ENY and queens village. Edited February 24, 2013 by qjtransitmaster 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Metro CSW Posted February 24, 2013 Share #1825 Posted February 24, 2013 Keep practicing. It takes a lot of detail and effort. You'll get it soon enough. I cannot believe I just said that.... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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