The Schoolcar Experience

[SubwayGuy]

Thanks!

 

One more thing - sign out rules:

 

-If you incur a late clear and are putting in an overtime slip for it, you have to sign out.

-If you have more than 5 minutes boost time, or WAA at the end of the job, you have to sign out. All nonroad jobs require sign out (yard, station switching, platform, etc.) as even though some have scheduled activities, they are essentially 8 hours of WAA. Posting also requires you to sign out, whether it's for the road or the yard, doesn't matter the job.

 

-If your job ends with a trip (no WAA) and is a penalty job (pays more than 8 hours), you do NOT have to sign out, unless you are filling out an overtime slip for a late clear.

-If your job ends with a trip (no WAA) and works 7:55 or more, you do NOT have to sign out. The only exception to this is a job working less than 7:55 that ends somewhere different than it starts, as long as the built in deadhead time puts you over 7:55.

 

Why 7:55? Radio time. You've probably heard of this. It dates back to the days before crews had radios - the trains had radios that had to be signed out of and back into the terminals by the crews. Obviously those days are long gone, but the union grieved (and won) that requiring someone arriving from a trip to sign out essentially forces them to do so on their own time since they are technically off the clock the second their train dumps and the doors open in the terminal. So the 5 minute allowance was kept built into any penalty job. If you look at the work program you can see this - the difference of 5 minutes between what the job works and pays for these types of jobs. This is also why jobs that have a trip ending in the 7:55 to 8:00 range after reporting time never have 1-5 minutes of WAA at the end, as radio time covers the boost. So if you want to go home when you dump that train in the terminal, you are allowed to, but only if your job ends with that trip, and it's 7:55 or more after your report time FOR THAT JOB (IE being on the board beforehand doesn't count).

 

Sometimes signing out is your decision. If it's going to take you 5 minutes to walk back to the office to fill out a slip for 6+3, turn it in and sign out...and the train that will take you home leaves in 3 minutes on a 20 minute headway, you may decide to forego your late clear and just go home. Up to you.

Edited May 30, 2014 by SubwayGuy

[Success7]

Thanks!

 

One more thing - sign out rules:

 

-If you incur a late clear and are putting in an overtime slip for it, you have to sign out.

-If you have more than 5 minutes boost time, or WAA at the end of the job, you have to sign out. All nonroad jobs require sign out (yard, station switching, platform, etc.) as even though some have scheduled activities, they are essentially 8 hours of WAA. Posting also requires you to sign out, whether it's for the road or the yard, doesn't matter the job.

 

-If your job ends with a trip (no WAA) and is a penalty job (pays more than 8 hours), you do NOT have to sign out, unless you are filling out an overtime slip for a late clear.

-If your job ends with a trip (no WAA) and works 7:55 or more, you do NOT have to sign out. The only exception to this is a job working less than 7:55 that ends somewhere different than it starts, as long as the built in deadhead time puts you over 7:55.

 

Why 7:55? Radio time. You've probably heard of this. It dates back to the days before crews had radios - the trains had radios that had to be signed out of and back into the terminals by the crews. Obviously those days are long gone, but the union grieved (and won) that requiring someone arriving from a trip to sign out essentially forces them to do so on their own time since they are technically off the clock the second their train dumps and the doors open in the terminal. So the 5 minute allowance was kept built into any penalty job. If you look at the work program you can see this - the difference of 5 minutes between what the job works and pays for these types of jobs. This is also why jobs that have a trip ending in the 7:55 to 8:00 range after reporting time never have 1-5 minutes of WAA at the end, as radio time covers the boost. So if you want to go home when you dump that train in the terminal, you are allowed to, but only if your job ends with that trip, and it's 7:55 or more after your report time FOR THAT JOB (IE being on the board beforehand doesn't count).

 

Sometimes signing out is your decision. If it's going to take you 5 minutes to walk back to the office to fill out a slip for 6+3, turn it in and sign out...and the train that will take you home leaves in 3 minutes on a 20 minute headway, you may decide to forego your late clear and just go home. Up to you.

I've had partners that give me the sad face because I don't want to go claim 5 +3 with them. Smh I personally will not waste 10 extra minutes of my time to get paid for 5mins. Not worth it to me, especially if the office is a walk away. Anything less than 10 minutes late clear is for the good of the service to me . 10 mins or better, I'll go fill one out. Sometimes 15 mins or better is my minimum. Edited May 30, 2014 by Success7

[Tommy John]

Thanks again SubwayGuy !!

[LexAveExp5]

-If your job ends with a trip (no WAA) and works 7:55 or more, you do NOT have to sign out. The only exception to this is a job working less than 7:55 that ends somewhere different than it starts, as long as the built in deadhead time puts you over 7:55.

 

So you mean all those sweet 8 hour N/Q jobs I don't have to sign out for???

Edited May 30, 2014 by LexAveExp5

[RTOPRO]

I've had partners that give me the sad face because I don't want to go claim 5 +3 with them. Smh I personally will not waste 10 extra minutes of my time to get paid for 5mins. Not worth it to me, especially if the office is a walk away. Anything less than 10 minutes late clear is for the good of the service to me . 10 mins or better, I'll go fill one out. Sometimes 15 mins or better is my minimum.

LOL I can promise you if I were them it wouldn't make me sad at all, but when you're talking about your time that you're willing to let them have. It adds up in the end. 5 + 3 in this business is a lot of money. Personally I solve that walk issue by having the slip already repaired. Most of the slip is typical information anyway. Then at the opposite terminal especially after developing but so much experience you know if it's going to be possible for you to make it to the terminal on time or not and based on that all you had to do is add in the time you're supposed to clear and the job information. Once you dump at the terminal you now know whether it's 5 or 6 minutes but you still have to get the official word from the TD. So you walk in and ask and they give you the number. You add it on. Final out the totals, hand in the paper and sign out. In the A if it's the 1 line, you likely had to walk that way anyway if you drove. The 2 line is T/O's choice. The 3 line you have to walk that way if you drove anyway. The 4 the office is right there regardless. The 5 is T/O's choice. The 6 the office is right there anyway. The 7, eh.....to each his own on that one.

[WorldsGreatestSorter]

Just going to post this in general for anyone:

 

OVERTIME SLIP BASICS

Anything that is on the payroll already you do not have to fill out an overtime slip for.

-If your job starts at one location and ends at another, and deadhead is built in you do not need to fill out a slip (Tip: look at the clearing location and time, underneath the signout time will be the time you are actually paid until).

-If your job is a penalty job, you do not have to fill out a late clear for the penalty.

 

LATE CLEARS

Late clears are simple. Code 40 for the amount you worked extra, in the comments just indicate why - customer interference with doors, held by track gangs, flagging, rerouted via local track, congestion, track circuit, signal problems, switch problems, sick passenger, police investigation...there are a million reasons to be late, and in the comments write your reasons.

 

Other scenarios: If you stay late to do a layup (after your clearing time) just write extra layup, if you stay late to work switching, just write worked balance of switching job ###.

 

BEING ON THE BOARD

If you are on the board, and pick up a whole job - for purposes of the slip, your "job" is the job you picked up, and your start and end times should match the job you picked up. The time you signed onto the board until the time the job starts is your BOARD TIME (code 46).

 

Example: Report 1300 for extra board. Pick up job 3xx from 1400 to 2200. Your job on the slip is 3xx from 1400 to 2200. Code 46 for 1300-1400 (60 mins OT + 30 mins Bonus). Always leave night diff blank, timekeeping will do it. Comments: Reported 1300 for extra board & picked up job 3xx.

 

If you are on the board, and pick up part of a job - for purposes of the slip, your "job" is the board job, and your start and end times should match your board report, and your board report + 8 hours. Anything beyond that is a LATE CLEAR (code 40). If the part of the job you work finishes before 8 hours after your report time, you still have to stay at your board location to sign out.

 

Example #1: Report 1300 for extra board. Pick up the first trip of job 3xx which works 1745-0145. You finish your half of the job at 2130. Your job on the slip is your board job from 1300-2100. You're entitled to a late clear for 2100-2130.

 

Example #2: Report 1300 for extra board. Pick up job 2xx halfway through which works from 1000-1800. Your job is your board job (let's call it 601) from 1300-2100. You're not entitled to any pay (unless you got a no lunch) because from 1800-2100 you still have boost time.

 

DEADHEAD (TRAVEL TIME)

If you clear somewhere other than where you started, you are entitled to deadhead. Add deadhead at the very end of the job, when you sign out, after any late clears.

 

Example #1: Report 1300 for extra board. Pick up job 3xx at a different location from 1400 to 2200. Your job on the slip is 3xx from 1400 to 2200. Code 46 for 1300-1400 (60 mins OT + 30 mins Bonus). If travel time is 24 minutes between where you reported for board and where the job actually clears, add Deadhead (Code 49) for 2200 to 2224 (24 minutes OT + 12 minutes Bonus). Again leave night diff blank, timekeeping will do it. Comments: Reported 1300 at Location #1 for extra board & picked up job 3xx which clears at Location #2, added travel time.

 

Example #2: Report 1300 for extra board. Pick up job 3xx at a different location from 1400 to 2200 and arrived late on last trip due to flagging at 2206. Your job on the slip is 3xx from 1400 to 2200. Code 46 (Extra Board) for 1300-1400 (60 mins OT + 30 mins Bonus). Late clear (Code 40) for 2200-2206 (6 mins OT + 3 mins Bonus). If travel time is 24 minutes between where you reported for board and where the job actually clears, add Deadhead (Code 49) for 2206 to 2230 (24 minutes OT + 12 minutes Bonus). Again leave night diff blank, timekeeping will do it. Comments: Reported 1300 at Location #1 for extra board & picked up job 3xx. Made xxxx interval out of Opposite Terminal and arrived at Location #2 at 2206 due to flagging at Station. Added travel time.

 

I made up the numbers above. Always use the deadhead charts to figure out what your travel time is.

 

BACKING OUT BOOST TIME

If your job works less than 8 hours and has boost time (IE no WAA on the schedule card), you must deduct the boost time from your overtime slip since you cannot be double paid.

 

Example: Work job 3xx, which works from 1500-2257. Arrive late on last trip at 2305. Your job on the slip is the job, start time 1500, end time 2257. You get a code 40 for late clear, from 2257-2305 but your overtime is 5 minutes + 3 minutes bonus since you are only eligible to be paid overtime for any time after 2300, since 2300 is 8 hours from the start of your day.

 

NO LUNCH

You are entitled to a no lunch if your scheduled lunch is cut to 19 minutes or less. Code 39, and use the times of your lunch in the From / To boxes. Pay is 30 minutes BONUS only (no overtime). In the comments, write the reason and note the times for your no lunch - IE: made 1551 Flatbush -> 241 and arrived at 1758 with scheduled lunch until 1816 (18 minutes for lunch).

 

On a yard or station switching job, if you were on a move between your 3rd and 6th hour, hours 3-6 are your lunch hours, still 30 minutes BONUS only pay, and in the comments note that you were on a move for the entirety of that window. IE Comments: Washed train at 239th St. Yard and brought back to Livonia Yard, was on the train between 3rd and 6th hour.

 

BREAKING IN STUDENT

Two hours pay (Bonus) for the day. Be sure to write the student's name and pass in the comments. Time From / To is the whole job.

 

WORKING AN RDO

Always 8 hours OT plus 4 hours Bonus. Time From / To is the whole job (even if it's a penalty job since you will automatically get time a half for anything over 8 hours, so this is why you are only putting 8 plus 4...the rest of your overtime is already built into the job!). Do your slip for working an RDO when you sign IN, not when you sign out...it is OK to submit multiple overtime slips throughout the day.

 

EXTRA TRIP

If you make an extra trip - an extra trip has to begin after your clearing time, otherwise if you are on WAA it is NOT an extra trip! - you are entitled to 4 hours pay (bonus). The difference between your clearing time and the extra trip is "waiting time" - make sure you add this in first also as it is part of continuous time.

 

If you are posting:

If you are referring to posting, what the dispatcher SHOULD do is put your time from the time it says on your posting paper. So if it says report to E180 at 1310 hrs., he should sign you in as REPORT E180 1310 RELIEF E180 2110.

 

Now when you fill out your slip, your overtime will be a late clear for anything after 2110. So if you post on a job that clears at 2130, you get 20+10 late clear (code 40). If you post on a job that clears at 2130 and incurs a late clear to 2140, you get 30+15 late clear (still code 40). When posting, ALWAYS put in any deadhead, even if the job you are posting on has it built in as it will be built in for your trainer, NOT YOU! Remember, deadhead goes after any late clears. So if you post on a job that clears somewhere else at 2130 and incurs a late clear to 2140, you still get a 30+15 late clear (code 40) from 2110 to 2140, and (making up 24 minutes travel time again) 24+12 deadhead (code 49) from 2140 to 2204.

 

If you handle posting this way (and most good dispatchers will do it this way), you should have no problems getting paid. For comments always note that the time you signed on was as instructed on the posting papers, that you posted on job # xxx, and that the job clears at such and such time.

 

Hope this helps!

 

Thanks, this was good info. When i was posting, there were 2 occasions where my report time didnt match with who i was posting with and there report time. it was about 15 mins. But being that you're new and still in the learning phase, it didnt hit me till the end of the week. I had another classmate of mine wait for about an hour before someone took him. What i normally do is if we have a late clear, i pretty much write the same thing as my T/O

[Success7]

LOL I can promise you if I were them it wouldn't make me sad at all, but when you're talking about your time that you're willing to let them have. It adds up in the end. 5 + 3 in this business is a lot of money. Personally I solve that walk issue by having the slip already repaired. Most of the slip is typical information anyway. Then at the opposite terminal especially after developing but so much experience you know if it's going to be possible for you to make it to the terminal on time or not and based on that all you had to do is add in the time you're supposed to clear and the job information. Once you dump at the terminal you now know whether it's 5 or 6 minutes but you still have to get the official word from the TD. So you walk in and ask and they give you the number. You add it on. Final out the totals, hand in the paper and sign out. In the A if it's the 1 line, you likely had to walk that way anyway if you drove. The 2 line is T/O's choice. The 3 line you have to walk that way if you drove anyway. The 4 the office is right there regardless. The 5 is T/O's choice. The 6 the office is right there anyway. The 7, eh.....to each his own on that one.

Yes it does add up but I don't drive. As soon as I dump I'm on the next thing outta the terminal. If I have time til the next interval leaves I'll go fill one out. By all means everyone should claim all time worked. This way they can adjust these work programs so were not always getting late clears. I ALWAYS fill out one for the 1 line no matter how many minutes. You earned it on that line.

Edited May 30, 2014 by Success7

[SubwayGuy]

So you mean all those sweet 8 hour N/Q jobs I don't have to sign out for???

 

Those jobs vary significantly from job to job, so I'll answer by just saying you can forego signing out only so long as the following conditions are met:

-Clearing time on the payroll is 7:55 or more after reporting time on the payroll.

-Job has no WAA at the end.

 

Again, I can't stress this enough. If the job has WAA at the end, you MUST sign out. If the clearing time on the payroll is 7:54 or less after reporting time on the payroll, you have boost time, and must sign out.

Edited May 30, 2014 by SubwayGuy

[WorldsGreatestSorter]

Yes it does add up but I don't drive. As soon as I dump I'm on the next thing outta the terminal. If I have time til the next interval leaves I'll go fill one out. By all means everyone should claim all time worked. This way they can adjust these work programs so were not always getting late clears. I ALWAYS fill out one for the 1 line no matter how many minutes. You earned it on that line.

 

I do that on the 6 line. So many things always happen on that line, i always end up going back out as soon as i come in, so if i have a late clear for 5 mins, i put it in. Those times add up for 2 weeks. 

[WorldsGreatestSorter]

I've had partners that give me the sad face because I don't want to go claim 5 +3 with them. Smh I personally will not waste 10 extra minutes of my time to get paid for 5mins. Not worth it to me, especially if the office is a walk away. Anything less than 10 minutes late clear is for the good of the service to me . 10 mins or better, I'll go fill one out. Sometimes 15 mins or better is my minimum.

 

One T/O told me he carries his slips with him. Any thing that delays him on the road, he fills it in going back. Train congestion at 96th, held at a station by control 116th, heavy ridership at 42nd, terminal congestion at pelham or whatever it may be. So that way when he actually goes into the office, all he does is fill out the clearing time and the numbers, and he's out quick.

[WorldsGreatestSorter]

How do you save a holiday worked as an AVA?

[RTOMan]

How do you save a holiday worked as an AVA?

Call the IVR use yer pass and last four of your social you have up to two weeks before the holiday to save it.

[WorldsGreatestSorter]

Call the IVR use yer pass and last four of your social you have up to two weeks before the holiday to save it.

 

Thanks

[Success7]

Quick question for someone who's been on the job for a while. Now I know the pick is done, but if there is a job that's still open on a certain day and I wanna switch my job I picked for that day to the one that is open and wasn't picked by anyone, can I call the pick office and have them change it before the pick starts Sunday?

[RTOPRO]

Nope. All you can do is place a bid on said open job when the bid sheets come out next month.

[RTOMan]

Quick question for someone who's been on the job for a while. Now I know the pick is done, but if there is a job that's still open on a certain day and I wanna switch my job I picked for that day to the one that is open and wasn't picked by anyone, can I call the pick office and have them change it before the pick starts Sunday?

Once you pick it its yours for as long as the Pick Lasts...

 

As RTOPRO said once the Bid Sheets come out you can bid on any open Job though.

[gerbils]

Quick question for you guys. I noticed while looking at my paystub that there are entries for taxable health benefits. Is that normal?

[Success7]

Thanks for the response guys. I'll just stick it out. They say it's always a bad move to not go with your first choice/gut instinct anyway. I picked what I picked for a reason. Might as well stop double checking the board and doubting my choices.

Edited June 4, 2014 by Success7

[WorldsGreatestSorter]

Try a Track worker named Boggs. He was killed at 59st. on the Broadway line a few years back following procedures that after review like you said were changed.

 

 

Crazy thing about this, i was a passenger on that 3 train in the first car when this incident happened. 

[xeaa108]

in regards to posting, any good dispatcher will tell you at the time you sign on if you're particular job is finishing later than 8 hours.  Then you'll need the slip. Also a quick look at the payroll of the person you're working with will tell you this information.

[WorldsGreatestSorter]

in regards to posting, any good dispatcher will tell you at the time you sign on if you're particular job is finishing later than 8 hours.  Then you'll need the slip. Also a quick look at the payroll of the person you're working with will tell you this information.

 

I only had one of them tell me on the 7 Line in the AMs do that

[RTOMan]

I only had one of them tell me on the 7 Line in the AMs do that

 

I see it this way,sometimes you just gotta ask then..... Don't always expect folks to volunteer info esp on certain lines where it's hectic a lot. They worrying about the railroad and who signs in not if the job pays OTor not.

[Xentor]

I only had one of them tell me on the 7 Line in the AMs do that

 

I see it this way,sometimes you just gotta ask then..... Don't always expect folks to volunteer info esp on certain lines where it's hectic a lot. They worrying about the railroad and who signs in not if the job pays OTor not.

 

Indeed. A few dispatchers have absolutely nooooo interest in helping out new people with anything OT related (say err uptown mid bronx on late am's), especially those that are posting. On the other hand, whomever you are posting with will help you with your overtime slip when they are filling out theirs.

[WorldsGreatestSorter]

I see it this way,sometimes you just gotta ask then..... Don't always expect folks to volunteer info esp on certain lines where it's hectic a lot. They worrying about the railroad and who signs in not if the job pays OTor not.

 

 

Oh i ask questions a lot. But it was more of something that i didnt know thats how it worked, until like 2 days later. 

[RTOMan]

Oh i ask questions a lot. But it was more of something that i didnt know thats how it worked, until like 2 days later.

 

Rule number two.... Always ASK when it comes to yer money!