Fresh Pond Posted November 27, 2012 Share #26 Posted November 27, 2012 I agree with that statement when you say the AIRTRAIN is the real train to the plane, but I really wouldnt think that the would be affected since it is local on the 8th Avenue line and the was express so it really wouldnt be express and a super express would be just like the so it would cause too much congestion along Fulton Street and it would soon go out off service too, we're fine with the JFK setup as it is now. Actually the would've been affected. After leaving the 63 St branch (back when it was new), it went via 6 Av local (skipping 23 & 14 Sts) to West 4 St, then switching to 8 Av local (skipping Spring St). I read somewhere (forgot where at) that the got priority over everything, so if there was an at West 4 St or at Canal St, it would have to wait for the to go by first Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StevenFrancis Posted November 28, 2012 Share #27 Posted November 28, 2012 Actually the would've been affected. After leaving the 63 St branch (back when it was new), it went via 6 Av local (skipping 23 & 14 Sts) to West 4 St, then switching to 8 Av local (skipping Spring St). I read somewhere (forgot where at) that the got priority over everything, so if there was an at West 4 St or at Canal St, it would have to wait for the to go by first I thought the was express via 6th Avenue and on 8th Avenue below West 4th Street - Washington Square, I guess I read something wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roadcruiser1 Posted November 28, 2012 Share #28 Posted November 28, 2012 I thought the was express via 6th Avenue and on 8th Avenue below West 4th Street - Washington Square, I guess I read something wrong. You are right. -_______________________________- Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kacie Jane Posted November 28, 2012 Share #29 Posted November 28, 2012 But in order to switch from 6th to 8th Avenue, it had to be on the local tracks at W 4. Even more delays. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pjbr40 Posted November 28, 2012 Share #30 Posted November 28, 2012 i remember that the breeze thru the 14 street and 23 street local track on 6th Ave to go to the airport Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nexis4Jersey Posted November 29, 2012 Share #31 Posted November 29, 2012 Tri-State Area Regional Rail Ideas https://maps.google.com/maps/ms?msid=215312482559953359515.000496c9cdea77cff2ae1&msa=0&ll=40.731389,-73.919106&spn=0.175609,0.41851 The Downtown Access from Long Island & New Jersey was proposed back in the late 90s and was shelved back into 2007 due to rising costs but it would have added an estimated 400,000 new riders to both the LIRR and NJT... Hopefully both the Downtown Access and the New Idea Metro North Access to Lower Manhattan & Staten Island can be talked about and built sometime over the next 15-20 years. This region is starting to suffer from a broken and over stressed Rail Network and bad / slow connections to the Airports... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamaica Express Posted November 30, 2012 Share #32 Posted November 30, 2012 Actually the would've been affected. After leaving the 63 St branch (back when it was new), it went via 6 Av local (skipping 23 & 14 Sts) to West 4 St, then switching to 8 Av local (skipping Spring St). I read somewhere (forgot where at) that the got priority over everything, so if there was an at West 4 St or at Canal St, it would have to wait for the to go by first Its route complexity is what overall harmed the line, the constantly got stuck behind normal trains, which played a big role in why it was axed, it sometimes took just as long or longer to get to Howard Beach as the regular . Plus it's ridership wasn't that great, A large percentage of it's riders were Howard Beach commuters who wanted to avoid a certain "type of people" from East NY and Brownsville, one speaker at a discontinuation hearing actually complained on record about having to take the "African Queen" to work, unfortunately there is no cure for ignorance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trainmaster5 Posted December 1, 2012 Share #33 Posted December 1, 2012 Its route complexity is what overall harmed the line, the constantly got stuck behind normal trains, which played a big role in why it was axed, it sometimes took just as long or longer to get to Howard Beach as the regular . Plus it's ridership wasn't that great, A large percentage of it's riders were Howard Beach commuters who wanted to avoid a certain "type of people" from East NY and Brownsville, one speaker at a discontinuation hearing actually complained on record about having to take the "African Queen" to work, unfortunately there is no cure for ignorance. I can remember the from Far Rock being called the "African Express" even by people who lived in Cypress Hills, ENY, and Brownsville. I never took it seriously until one of my classmates in schoolcar told me that even B division train crews called it by that name although the name was frowned upon officially. As you pointed out the was used by many people to bypass many stops like Broadway-ENY and Euclid Avenue as well as Nostrand Avenue@ Fulton Street. I used to laugh at the ignorance of prople who would pay a premium fare to follow an train that used the same tracks and one that would never pass that same no matter how many stops were bypassed. Sheer stupidity IMO. Carry on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grand Concourse Posted December 1, 2012 Share #34 Posted December 1, 2012 I tought the was forced to run local when the ran? But I do agree otherwise that it was stupid to pay more to ride a train that followed the train in front. Also weren't the R46s 'exclusive' to the * and the older cars on the ? *not counting JYD and other places, but refering to the 8th av-Fulton IND. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamaica Express Posted December 1, 2012 Share #35 Posted December 1, 2012 I tought the was forced to run local when the ran? But I do agree otherwise that it was stupid to pay more to ride a train that followed the train in front. Also weren't the R46s 'exclusive' to the and the older cars on the ? Well outside of Rush Hours, the was local in Brooklyn anyway, as the was a rush hour only service back then. However, the ONLY stop in Brooklyn the JFK express made was Jay Street, which means it still had to share the double track section of the Fulton Street line with the anyway and also the during Rush Hours. Outside of Rush Hours it would be able to make up for lost time on open express tracks between Hoyt and Euclid since the would be running local at that time, but then it would just end up merging with the again, once it got to Queens, not to mention its merging/diverging in Manhattan with the and at W4th Junction, lets just say to run this train was an operational nightmare and as said before, many of it's riders were Howard Beach commuter traveling during Peak Hours, which was the same time the was operating express in Brooklyn..thus rendering the service from a service planning point of view a headache, slightly reptetitive and pointless. In addition to the fact that during service disruptions they sometime made it make normal stops and accept regular passengers. As for the R46 question, yes the JFK Express was always "CLEAN" graffiti free R46 sets, during the 80's the was a mix of R32's,R40's and R44's and while the was mostly R10's and R44's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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