Fresh Pond Posted August 9, 2015 Share #26 Posted August 9, 2015 There goes that damn "holier than thou" attitude again... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Via Garibaldi 8 Posted August 9, 2015 Share #27 Posted August 9, 2015 There goes that damn "holier than thou" attitude again... Real holier than thou people don't use public transport. There are plenty of people that don't use the subway, and you really can't blame them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheNewYorkElevated Posted August 12, 2015 Share #28 Posted August 12, 2015 Real holier than thou people don't use public transport. There are plenty of people that don't use the subway, and you really can't blame them. Then we need to stop pointing fingers then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Union Tpke Posted August 13, 2015 Share #29 Posted August 13, 2015 Umm, do you remember the 70's? That decade where the city gave up on iself? There's gonna be limitations to this action. Exactly. Let the state pay the capital program or the federal government. Maybe the SAS would be approved by the federal gov't but otherwise nothing would get done by the feds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobtehpanda Posted August 13, 2015 Share #30 Posted August 13, 2015 Maybe the SAS would be approved by the federal gov't but otherwise nothing would get done by the feds. For the feds to do anything, they have to be notified of something to do. The MTA or some other local agency/planning organization would have to do the planning work and the paperwork before hand, because the last time the feds tried to dictate anything at the local level, they rammed the interstates through the inner cities and destroyed most of them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wallyhorse Posted August 18, 2015 Share #31 Posted August 18, 2015 Of course the MTA performed like shit during Sandy. So did everyone else. Lower Manhattan had no power for two weeks and was also basically under ten feet of water for the good part of a day, and the subway is underground, so it only makes sense that they were unable to operate service. In fact, if I remember correctly during that time, the MTA managed to clear out the tunnels pretty quickly, but couldn't run service due to the lack of ConEd progress in Lower Manhattan. It was one week, but it did nonetheless cripple lower Manhattan, which remained crippled long after that in some areas for a long time as I remember. Could the done a better job in some spots with Sandy? Sure, but overall they did about as good a job as they realistically could given Sandy would up being WAY WORSE than forecast in New York and the area (and then there was a nor'easter to add insult to injury in many cases a week-plus later). What Sandy to me did show is how a lot of things needed to be re-evaluated as a whole. That includes even looking at building new elevated lines that would be built to handle storms twice as strong as Sandy was for instance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MHV9218 Posted August 18, 2015 Share #32 Posted August 18, 2015 Not really. Elevated lines are inherently less fortified than underground tunnels, a perpetual blight on any community they are built in, and impossible to find the space to construct with more than two or three tracks across. A disaster-proof elevated structure would mean losing the only positive: generally cheap construction. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobtehpanda Posted August 18, 2015 Share #33 Posted August 18, 2015 Elevated lines are not immune to disaster at all. Stillwell and the lines leading into it were closed off for the first week after Sandy, even though all the tracks leading into it are elevated. Whenever a snowstorm rolls around the Flushing Line is one of the first to close, usually due to the tracks icing over. Not to mention, elevated tracks are exposed to any sort of debris flying around. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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