MTR Admiralty Posted December 28, 2008 Share #101 Posted December 28, 2008 No MTR, I meant the seat configuration; transverse and side benches together. Although, I personally prefer bucket seating like that of an R68A. Yeah I like that kind of seating configuration. However it seems that they want to maximise the standing capacity rather than expanding the seating capacity. So all seating, for the most part, is longitudinal. It's really too early to talk about the R179s because they are still in the design phase; it is not even placed for ordering. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KeystoneRegional Posted December 29, 2008 Share #102 Posted December 29, 2008 Please, watch the Nazi Banksters Crimes Ripple Effect at http://jforjustice.co.uk/banksters Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MTR Admiralty Posted December 30, 2008 Share #103 Posted December 30, 2008 Okay...let me say this for the LAST TIME... The R179s are still in design phase and the order MAY be scrapped due to financial concerns. I really suggest that we do not anticipate for it until it really is ordered and being built. And please, AWWang, really... stop replying ill-wittedly to every reply out there in almost every post. It's really annoying, honestly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UlmerPark B6 Posted December 30, 2008 Share #104 Posted December 30, 2008 Okay...let me say this for the LAST TIME...The R179s are still in design phase and the order MAY be scrapped due to financial concerns. I really suggest that we do not anticipate for it until it really is ordered and being built. And please, AWWang, really... stop replying ill-wittedly to every reply out there in almost every post. It's really annoying, honestly. Agreed, friend. Like I responded to the other post, 1350 posts and counting.... in 2 months! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MTR Admiralty Posted December 30, 2008 Share #105 Posted December 30, 2008 Agreed, friend. Like I responded to the other post, 1350 posts and counting.... in 2 months! At that kind of rate, he's in the NYCTF's Book of Records. So do we have anymore GOOD THINGS to say regarding this topic? Other than talking about planned subway cars? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UlmerPark B6 Posted December 30, 2008 Share #106 Posted December 30, 2008 At that kind of rate, he's in the NYCTF's Book of Records.So do we have anymore GOOD THINGS to say regarding this topic? Other than talking about planned subway cars? Wait, sorry I was mistaken, 1350 posts in 1 month and a half! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MTR Admiralty Posted December 30, 2008 Share #107 Posted December 30, 2008 Wait, sorry I was mistaken, 1350 posts in 1 month and a half! It's past 1350, to be frank. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KeystoneRegional Posted December 31, 2008 Share #108 Posted December 31, 2008 Please, watch the Nazi Banksters Crimes Ripple Effect at http://jforjustice.co.uk/banksters Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
via White Plains Road Posted December 31, 2008 Share #109 Posted December 31, 2008 Pls get back on topic....the thread is about R-44's going to retire early! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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UlmerPark B6 Posted December 31, 2008 Share #111 Posted December 31, 2008 I really don't think R179 are gonna be ordered. If they are ordered, they still might not be the best cars in the world. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R44 5278 Posted December 31, 2008 Share #112 Posted December 31, 2008 I really don't think R179 are gonna be ordered. If they are ordered, they still might not be the best cars in the world. Agreed. Only if they are not built by Bombardier and do not feature transverse seats. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MTR Admiralty Posted December 31, 2008 Share #113 Posted December 31, 2008 Pls get back on topic....the thread is about R-44's going to retire early! They are NOT going to retire early, despite their condition or say age. The earliest they can retire is around 2015. This is because we need a sufficient amount of replacement cars to replace them and they are not ordered yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R421969 Posted December 31, 2008 Share #114 Posted December 31, 2008 The MTA woulnt retire them unless they had 2 be retired. They look fine 2 me. I wonder why they would be retired early unless reasons given are based on mechanics, Hull integrity, performance, and improper maintainance; rather then say...age or, appearence of the train. I think I was being to shallow about the R38's...because they dont run bad or...give any hard times for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FlushingExpress Posted December 31, 2008 Share #115 Posted December 31, 2008 They are NOT going to retire early, despite their condition or say age.The earliest they can retire is around 2015. This is because we need a sufficient amount of replacement cars to replace them and they are not ordered yet. the R179 order is set to begin in mid 2009 and the first cars to be delivered in late 2010, so the earliest the R44s can retire is 2011, but the fleet will not be fully gone until 2015. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MTR Admiralty Posted January 1, 2009 Share #116 Posted January 1, 2009 the R179 order is set to begin in mid 2009 and the first cars to be delivered in late 2010, so the earliest the R44s can retire is 2011, but the fleet will not be fully gone until 2015. Where you got this from? Just to make sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UlmerPark B6 Posted January 1, 2009 Share #117 Posted January 1, 2009 Where you got this from? Just to make sure. Wikipedia, see here: The R179 is scheduled to be ordered in 2009 and delivered by the end of 2013. The base order includes 208 cars. Also the MTA will order 64 additional cars for Staten Island Railway Not a relaible source. I got 10 point off just for using WikiPedia as a source on my project. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KeystoneRegional Posted January 1, 2009 Share #118 Posted January 1, 2009 Please, watch the Nazi Banksters Crimes Ripple Effect at http://jforjustice.co.uk/banksters Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MTR Admiralty Posted January 1, 2009 Share #119 Posted January 1, 2009 Wikipedia, see here:The R179 is scheduled to be ordered in 2009 and delivered by the end of 2013. The base order includes 208 cars. Also the MTA will order 64 additional cars for Staten Island Railway Not a relaible source. I got 10 point off just for using WikiPedia as a source on my project. Yeah, that really is not a reliable source. If the above is true, they will order the cars in the second quarter of 2009, the prototypes will arrive in say quarter 3 of 2010. Then the production cars should begin arriving around 2011; these sets will begin their testing and later, placement in service which will happen 2012. If this goes according to plan, R44s will begin retiring in 2013. The R179 order is designed to replace all R44, I have calculated the number of R44 in service. There are 272. The 208 for NYCT and the 64 for SIR will be a combined 272. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FlushingExpress Posted January 1, 2009 Share #120 Posted January 1, 2009 Wikipedia, see here:The R179 is scheduled to be ordered in 2009 and delivered by the end of 2013. The base order includes 208 cars. Also the MTA will order 64 additional cars for Staten Island Railway Not a relaible source. I got 10 point off just for using WikiPedia as a source on my project. the MTA's 2008-2013 budget plans says exactly that. you should never use Wikipedia for a school project!!!! the R179s have to be delievered by 2010 because believe me, those ugly soda can R44s will not survive past 2011. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UlmerPark B6 Posted January 1, 2009 Share #121 Posted January 1, 2009 the MTA's 2008-2013 budget plans says exactly that. you should never use Wikipedia for a school project!!!! the R179s have to be delievered by 2010 because believe me, those ugly soda can R44s will not survive past 2011. I know the 2008-2013 Captial Plan says that, but it doens't meant just because it was in the Capital Plan, it's gonna be ordered next year. Just for insticnts, the 2005-2009 capital plan was to rehab the Brighton Line. It's already 2009, and only two out of seven stations, us going under rehabilitation right now. Source: mta.info 2005-2009 Capital Plan (PDF) Page 14 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MTR Admiralty Posted January 1, 2009 Share #122 Posted January 1, 2009 the MTA's 2008-2013 budget plans says exactly that. you should never use Wikipedia for a school project!!!! the R179s have to be delievered by 2010 because believe me, those ugly soda can R44s will not survive past 2011. Here's to this, it is only a budget plan. It only calls for such a contract, which means they will only allocate money towards building the R179 cars, no where does it guarantee that they will be built during this time frame. It is a plan, which means they can follow it or they may not depending on financial reasons. Remember, the money is based on priority. The R179s are not the only thing the MTA is paying for, you have station rehabs, track repairs, tunnel repairs, new buses, bus/depot maintenance, the big money projects (SAS and ESA; don't forget this money will go towards funding the second phase of the SAS as well), LIRR/MNR maintenance, LIRR/MNR station repairs, new LIRR/MNR cars... just to name a few. The one or two sentences Ulmer provided us from Wiki/the Capital Programme does not say those cars are going to be built for sure, they may be built later. And look, it said it will be ordered in 2009 (this year)... to date there is no news to the public on the design of the R179. So IMO, the R179 exists only on paper. If in fact the MTA does provide us a press release saying that they did ordered 272 cars from Company X, do I fully believe that this is happening, until then, I am not taking it seriously. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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MTR Admiralty Posted January 2, 2009 Share #124 Posted January 2, 2009 Well, wikipedia is starting to get somewhat reliable now back to un-reliable... ... The R-44 is not ugly soda cans, and if you are saying that they are ugly, then the MNR, LIRR and R-46 are also ugly soda cans... But believe me, the R-44 will survive or operate past 2011! I agreed, the capital program says it's goals this time, the R-179's may even be ordered in 2013, ! I agree fully on this, since it is much reliable to wait to see when it is ordered... Just curious, is it a necessity for you to quote everyone? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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